Papercreters: [papercreters] Re: Free Camping - Dome building and papercrete

Tuesday, July 26, 2011

[papercreters] Re: Free Camping - Dome building and papercrete

Are we talking public safety or responsibility? public safety will never take the place of responsibility and personal responsibility.

Hey Im all for going it alone, I dont want any govt intervention, but when I pay 40 cents a gallon for ROAD USE TAX I want it spent on that to keep up the county roads, I dont want to see road tax get used to pay for welfare or for firefighters.

When the county ADOPTS a road and takes over and formally accepts the maintinence obligations then they GENERALLY increase your property taxes because it makes your property more valuable... They do not make county roads for fun...

A little story, here the city decided it needed to widen the road at my mother in laws house, her 2.5 acres on a corner was rezoned to office/commercial went form 2 lanes to 4 lanes plus a center divider... guess what the city semt my inlaws a bill for over $50,000 and offered to spread it out over 20 years at x percent interest. and that 50k was after giving them supposed credit for the public use taking of over 20' of two sides of her property. and they kindly moved her mailbox for her as well.

Then they zoned the other 3 corners commercial retail, and now there are CVS pharmacy on one corner, savemart groceries and strip mall on one and a gas station fast food and car wash on the other... her family owner her little 2.5 acres for over 90 years and the city would not zone them commerical retail even though there were nothing but fig trees all around, it went tfrom farmers to developers who got special clearance and zoning privlidges... making each corner worth millions and hers only a few hundred k. oh and it costs 10k$ to ask for a zoning change and if disapproved you dont get any money back, they applied 2x over the course of 5 years.

So yes it strikes a bone in my bidy when the city/county/govt tells you what that can or will do and why...

George
http://outpostalpha.com

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Donald Miller <donald1miller@...> wrote:
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> Building permits and other government infringements on personal liberties are all about "public safety" as well. That handy little catch-all phrase is a useful tool for government infringement and beaurocratic establishment and intrusions. Montana is not California, that is why you want to move there, right? Don't expect paved roads and aÂ WalMart on every corner. Â --- On Mon, 7/25/11, George <georgeberz@...> wrote:
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> From: George <georgeberz@...>
> Subject: [papercreters] Re: Free Camping - Dome building and papercrete
> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, July 25, 2011, 9:16 AM
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> Aparently the muddy road is all clay, no standard roadbase, and then covered with a thin layer of gravel, when it rains the clay loosens up and the gravel sinks, happens all the time I am told.
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> So I was put off and disullusioned a bit for the moment but intend to make my way back either later this year or early next and I do have a solution.
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> It is a county road and as such the county has an obligation to make and keep it safe for travel, the county adopted it and gets more property taxes from all the properties that lie along its length, so they do receive a financial incentive.
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> Now apparently they have not been put on notice by a law firm on behalf of the residents, When I go back out there I will have a legal notice drawn up listing the names of the local residents in a complaint filed by a law firm putting the county on notice about their defective road construction and maintinence and that should an accident occur or a normal 2 wheel drive vehicle get stuck the county will be sued and will pay for the liability.
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> Apparently no resident has put them on legal notice... My 2000 diesel discovery RV nearly slid off the road several times and it was just pure luck I didnt crash my RV.
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> I'm sure they will be properly maintaining the road once their liability has been properly explained to them.
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> After all its all about public safety.
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> I grew up in the Troy area just 15 miles north of Detroit
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> George
> http://outpostalpha.com
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> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Alan <rustaholic777@> wrote:
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> > As I understand it the muddy road is all public road?
> > Why not file a complaint?
> > They should dump a train load of gravel on the road.
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> > Where in Michigan did you grow up?
> > I am up near Traverse City.
> > I have two neighbors here that call the county road commision whenever the road gets a bit ugly and for some reason they come out and fix it promptly.
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> > Alan in Michigan
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> > --- On Sun, 7/24/11, George <georgeberz@> wrote:
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