Tuesday, September 28, 2010

[papercreters] FW: Plaster workshop in MD



I know you have missed this workshop but if you contact these people I'm sure they could answer your questions about what's going on with green building in MD. And I'm also sure you'll get a lot of good advice from this group.

 
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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:15:10 -0400
From: "Sigi Koko" <sigikoko@earthlink.net>
Subject: [Cob] Clay Plaster Workshops in Harford County Maryland
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CLAY PLASTER WORKSHOP IN HARFORD COUNTY MARYLAND

Craig and Adrienne DeRan will be hosting two clay plaster workshops led by
Sigi Koko of Down to Earth Design on October 2nd & 3rd, and again October
9th & 10th. Come and learn how to make beautiful clay plasters using
on-site soils and apply the plaster onto strawbale walls! The house we are
working on has many environmentally friendly features, including living
roofs, super-insulating strawbale walls, in-floor radiant heat from solar
hot water, and many reclaimed and recycled materials used in construction.

WHEN: October 2 & 3 AND October 9 & 10, 8:30 to 5:30
WHERE: Pylesville, MD (Northern Harford County near the PA line)
COST: $75 for the weekend ($45 for a single day)

TO REGISTER:
Please contact Adrienne DeRan by email (adrienne007@hotmail.com) at or by
phone (410-652-1231) to confirm that there is still space in the workshop.
Directions and details on what to bring will be emailed to those who
register about 1 week prior to the workshop event.

CLAY PLASTER DESCRIPTION:
Natural plasters provide non-toxic, inexpensive, and beautiful finishes that
are durable and breathable. They are especially suitable as finishes for
strawbale walls. Lime plasters/stuccos are particularly suitable for
exterior finishes and earthen plasters are suitable for interior finishes or
on well-protected exterior surfaces (or where maintenance is not a bad
word). Earthen or clay plasters consist of a combination of clay and sand,
and often also contains some fiber, such as chopped straw. Clay plasters
are beautiful and durable for interior and protected applications, and
provide additional thermal mass to interior spaces to help improve energy
performance.

WORKSHOP FORMAT:
We will begin Saturday morning with an overview of earthen plasters. We
will follow with a demonstration of the skills used to assess ingredients,
mix plasters, and apply them to wall surfaces. Everyone will then be
invited to get hands-on experience. Sunday will provide ample opportunity
to practice what was learned on Saturday, with a full day of hands-on
plastering.

WORKSHOPS COVER:
*Overview of natural clay plasters, including benefits and challenges
*Site tour showing what prep was completed, particularly any lathing
requirements
*Demonstration on the art of mixing clay plasters, including how to assess
on-site materials for suitability and how to determine mixing ratio
*Demonstration of application techniques
*Hands-on experience applying clay plaster to strawbale walls

Please see our website for additional information about workshops taught by
Down to Earth Design
http://www.buildnaturally.com/EDucate/Workshops/WO-current.htm
 



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[papercreters] Papercrete Applications for Maryland?

Hello,

Is there a way I can work with papercrete in exterior applications for use in Maryland?

Would someone be kind enough to suggest green building components (straw bale, cobb, ?) that we may use successfully?

Thank you all!


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Re: [papercreters] I'm at Doris and Ron's place in Mountainair, NM



Hi Doris and Ron,
 
I found the photo's nice work, now are there more of them someplace?  I saw the house going up, not the block forms or anything else.
 

Then the bathroom shots and Doris doing tile. Is this papercrete tile?
 
Thanks,
 
Calle

--- On Sat, 9/25/10, doris <yakishome@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: doris <yakishome@yahoo.com>
Subject: [papercreters] I'm at Doris and Ron's place in Mountainair, NM
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 25, 2010, 5:05 PM

 
I have to tell you that this house is absolute amazing. You just can not really see it from the photos. It is beautiful, I am so impressed I can not tell you. The roof line, Hyperdolic-parabaloid, is something to look into. The land around here is also very beautiful. If you ever have the change to visit you will be glad you did. Wish you, Spaceman and Judith, were here. Evelyn from Calif.




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Monday, September 27, 2010

[papercreters] Re: I'm at Doris and Ron's place in Mountainair, NM

There are already pictures of the Hyperbolic-parabaloid roof in our file along with 175 other photos we have taken from the very start of this project. It is really hard to see the line of it though unless you are standing right under it.
Thanks for making the effort to come see us Ev we really enjoyed your visit.

Doris and Ron

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Evelyn Vollmer <evelynanne8@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Calle, I've just returned to Calif an hour ago. I am hoping that Doris
> and Ron will post some photos of the Hyperdolic-parabaloid roof. The view of
> the ceiling from inside the place is very cool to look at. I do think that
> there are probably some in their file on this list. I really didn't get an
> photos because I assumed that some were already posted here and we were
> talking so much, had a lot to look at and talk about. I really think, and
> told them so, that when they are finished a magazine of some sort should do
> a spread on their accomplished. Thank you so much, Doris and Ron, for your
> hospitality. It was so good to reconnect with you. Have a wonderful time in
> Germany/Italy. It's freaking 110 degrees here on the central coast of Calif,
> yikes!
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:44 PM, calle vallede <valledecalle@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Evelyn, Where are the pictures so we can all share in it's wonder! Calle
> >
> > --- On *Sat, 9/25/10, doris <yakishome@...>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: doris <yakishome@...>
> > Subject: [papercreters] I'm at Doris and Ron's place in Mountainair, NM
> > To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, September 25, 2010, 5:05 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > I have to tell you that this house is absolute amazing. You just can not
> > really see it from the photos. It is beautiful, I am so impressed I can not
> > tell you. The roof line, Hyperdolic-parabaloid, is something to look into.
> > The land around here is also very beautiful. If you ever have the change to
> > visit you will be glad you did. Wish you, Spaceman and Judith, were here.
> > Evelyn from Calif.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> "If you give yourself fully to this moment the next moment will turn out
> just right."
>
> - Sequoyah Trueblood
>


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Re: [papercreters] I'm at Doris and Ron's place in Mountainair, NM



Hi Calle, I've just returned to Calif an hour ago. I am hoping that Doris and Ron will post some photos of the Hyperdolic-parabaloid roof. The view of the ceiling from inside the place is very cool to look at.  I do think that there are probably some in their file on this list. I really didn't get an photos because I assumed that some were already posted here and we were talking so much, had a lot to look at and talk about. I really think, and told them so, that when they are finished a magazine of some sort should do a spread on their accomplished. Thank you so much, Doris and Ron, for your hospitality. It was so good to reconnect with you. Have a wonderful time in Germany/Italy. It's freaking 110 degrees here on the central coast of Calif, yikes!

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:44 PM, calle vallede <valledecalle@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Evelyn,  Where are the pictures so we can all share in it's wonder!   Calle

--- On Sat, 9/25/10, doris <yakishome@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: doris <yakishome@yahoo.com>
Subject: [papercreters] I'm at Doris and Ron's place in Mountainair, NM
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 25, 2010, 5:05 PM


 
I have to tell you that this house is absolute amazing. You just can not really see it from the photos. It is beautiful, I am so impressed I can not tell you. The roof line, Hyperdolic-parabaloid, is something to look into. The land around here is also very beautiful. If you ever have the change to visit you will be glad you did. Wish you, Spaceman and Judith, were here. Evelyn from Calif.





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Re: [papercreters] I'm at Doris and Ron's place in Mountainair, NM



Evelyn,  Where are the pictures so we can all share in it's wonder!   Calle

--- On Sat, 9/25/10, doris <yakishome@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: doris <yakishome@yahoo.com>
Subject: [papercreters] I'm at Doris and Ron's place in Mountainair, NM
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 25, 2010, 5:05 PM

 
I have to tell you that this house is absolute amazing. You just can not really see it from the photos. It is beautiful, I am so impressed I can not tell you. The roof line, Hyperdolic-parabaloid, is something to look into. The land around here is also very beautiful. If you ever have the change to visit you will be glad you did. Wish you, Spaceman and Judith, were here. Evelyn from Calif.




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Sunday, September 26, 2010

Re: [papercreters] I'm at Doris and Ron's place in Mountainair, NM



It was not to be, hard as I tried. I'll bet that hyper roof is really impressive in person.

spaceman  All opinions expressed or implied are subject to change without notice upon receipt of new information.  http://Starship-Enterprises.Net

On 9/25/2010 4:05 PM, doris wrote:
 I have to tell you that this house is absolute amazing. You just can not really see it from the photos. It is beautiful, I am so impressed I can not tell you. The roof line, Hyperdolic-parabaloid, is something to look into. The land around here is also very beautiful. If you ever have the change to visit you will be glad you did. Wish you, Spaceman and Judith, were here. Evelyn from Calif.    ------------------------------------  Yahoo! Groups Links  <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/  <*> Your email settings:     Individual Email | Traditional  <*> To change settings online go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/join     (Yahoo! ID required)  <*> To change settings via email:     papercreters-digest@yahoogroups.com      papercreters-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com  <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:     papercreters-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com  <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:     http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
 
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Saturday, September 25, 2010

[papercreters] I'm at Doris and Ron's place in Mountainair, NM

I have to tell you that this house is absolute amazing. You just can not really see it from the photos. It is beautiful, I am so impressed I can not tell you. The roof line, Hyperdolic-parabaloid, is something to look into. The land around here is also very beautiful. If you ever have the change to visit you will be glad you did. Wish you, Spaceman and Judith, were here. Evelyn from Calif.

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Friday, September 24, 2010

[papercreters] Re: fermented paper / was Several hundred pounds of books



A certificate of occupancy is sometimes required by the lender, if the owner had indeed borrowed money to have the house built, I would think first the owner or contractor would have got a permit to build. If the permit to build was issued, then permits for the three trades, electrical, plumbing and HVAC would have also had to been issued. All the phases of building would have had to been inspected at proper times and then once the house is complete a certificate of occupancy is issued by the building inspector or code enforcement officer, to the home owner and the lender. I don't know how it could have got that far, first if PC is not an acceptiable building medium and second if it has not passed all of the inspections. I don't believe mold could have been the only reason the owner could not have got a certificate of occupancy.

Bob


--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Greg House <ghunicycle@...> wrote:
>
> I could be remembering it wrong, it was all from the discussion here on the
> list. I thought he said he couldn't get a certificate of occupancy because of
> moldy walls. I suppose that's not -exactly- the same thing as having it
> condemned, but it's effectively the same. A house that you don't have permission
> to live in is useless.
>
> As you say, the owner ran out of money due to issues with his contractor(s?) and
> also blamed the material suppliers. So yeah, perhaps there
> were extenuating circumstances, but I thought I'm mention it since we were
> talking about the potential for mold.
>
> Greg
>
>
> >From: Spaceman Spaceman@...
> >To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 12:00:51 PM
> >Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: fermented paper / was Several hundred pounds of
>
> >books
> >
> >
> >If you mean the house that is in Silver City, there were many problems and
> >the owner ran out of money because he hired a contractor that wasn't exactly
> >
> >experienced with pc, or extremely ethical from what I heard. The
> >condemnation for mold is news to me. Not saying it isn't true, just that I
> >had not heard that. The owner of that project is understandably bitter. He
> >was on this list for a while, if he still is perhaps he'll comment.
> >
> >Definitely not a typical pc project.
> >
> >spaceman All opinions expressed or implied are subject to change without notice
> >
> >upon receipt of new information. http://Starship-Enterprises.Net
> >On 9/24/2010 10:27 AM, Greg House wrote:
> >There was someone who posted on here about spending a considerable amount of
> >money building a PC house (somewhere in NM, as I recall) using blocks
> >purchased
> >from a "notable papercrete expert" and the place ended up being condemned
> >because the walls all had mold. This seems to defy the experience of most
> >people on this list, so perhaps there were other extenuating factors that
> >caused the mold problem there. Greg
>
> >online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/join (Yahoo! ID
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Re: [papercreters] Re: fermented paper / was Several hundred pounds of books

I could be remembering it wrong, it was all from the discussion here on the
list. I thought he said he couldn't get a certificate of occupancy because of
moldy walls. I suppose that's not -exactly- the same thing as having it
condemned, but it's effectively the same. A house that you don't have permission
to live in is useless.

As you say, the owner ran out of money due to issues with his contractor(s?) and
also blamed the material suppliers. So yeah, perhaps there
were extenuating circumstances, but I thought I'm mention it since we were
talking about the potential for mold.

Greg


>From: Spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net>
>To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 12:00:51 PM
>Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: fermented paper / was Several hundred pounds of

>books
>
>
>If you mean the house that is in Silver City, there were many problems and
>the owner ran out of money because he hired a contractor that wasn't exactly
>
>experienced with pc, or extremely ethical from what I heard. The
>condemnation for mold is news to me. Not saying it isn't true, just that I
>had not heard that. The owner of that project is understandably bitter. He
>was on this list for a while, if he still is perhaps he'll comment.
>
>Definitely not a typical pc project.
>
>spaceman All opinions expressed or implied are subject to change without notice
>
>upon receipt of new information. http://Starship-Enterprises.Net
>On 9/24/2010 10:27 AM, Greg House wrote:
>There was someone who posted on here about spending a considerable amount of
>money building a PC house (somewhere in NM, as I recall) using blocks
>purchased
>from a "notable papercrete expert" and the place ended up being condemned
>because the walls all had mold. This seems to defy the experience of most
>people on this list, so perhaps there were other extenuating factors that
>caused the mold problem there. Greg

>online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/join (Yahoo! ID
>
>
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Re: [papercreters] Re: fermented paper / was Several hundred pounds of books



If you mean the house that is in Silver City, there were many problems and the owner ran out of money because he hired a contractor that wasn't exactly experienced with pc, or extremely ethical from what I heard. The condemnation for mold is news to me. Not saying it isn't true, just that I had not heard that. The owner of that project is understandably bitter. He was on this list for a while, if he still is perhaps he'll comment.

Definitely not a typical pc project.

spaceman  All opinions expressed or implied are subject to change without notice upon receipt of new information.  http://Starship-Enterprises.Net

On 9/24/2010 10:27 AM, Greg House wrote:
There was someone who posted on here about spending a considerable amount of  money building a PC house (somewhere in NM, as I recall) using blocks purchased  from a "notable papercrete expert" and the place ended up being condemned  because the walls all had mold.  This seems to defy the experience of most people on this list, so perhaps there  were other extenuating factors that caused the mold problem there.  Greg            ------------------------------------  Yahoo! Groups Links  <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/  <*> Your email settings:     Individual Email | Traditional  <*> To change settings online go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/join     (Yahoo! ID required)  <*> To change settings via email:     papercreters-digest@yahoogroups.com      papercreters-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com  <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:     papercreters-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com  <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:     http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
 
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Re: [papercreters] Re: fermented paper / was Several hundred pounds of books

There was someone who posted on here about spending a considerable amount of
money building a PC house (somewhere in NM, as I recall) using blocks purchased
from a "notable papercrete expert" and the place ended up being condemned
because the walls all had mold.

This seems to defy the experience of most people on this list, so perhaps there
were other extenuating factors that caused the mold problem there.

Greg



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Thursday, September 23, 2010

Re: *****SPAM***** [papercreters] Re: fermented paper / was Several hundred pounds of books

I'm so glad to see that they are being used. I wish our local authorities
would think of others before trashing everything. People recycle at home
and the council run the standard commercial recycling but it seems hard to
get people to think of true recycling, as humans and nature have done
since time began.

Wayne

>
> Actully the discussion got started when I announced I had several
> hundred pounds of old books for somebody to take before 3 days were up,
> well they are up and we got rid of three pickup truck loads as high as
> we could stack them. Our library asked for them to sell in their book
> sell, 3 for a dollar. I told her if she could get just 15 cents a piece
> she could retire. ha ha
>
> Bob
>
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, JUDITH WILLIAMS
> <williams_judith@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think this dicussion got started when someone said they left their
> paper in water for a long time. Then someone else said don't you ever
> have a mold problem.
>>
>> I have had one experience with mold. I formed up a curved wall that
> was actually quite thick. I used 1/4" plywood cut in half to form a 4
> foot square. I wedged it in to curve it and poured it full of
> papercrete. I can't dexcribe the shape of it but it was sort of
> triangular and held a lot of slurry. I left that form on for about
> almost a year I think. I had moved on to other things and just sort of
> forgot about it. Anyway, when I took the plywood off there was an area
> of black mold on one side of the wall. It was small, maybe 2 square
> inches or so. After it was exposed to the sun for a while it went away.
> The mold was on the plywood more than the papercrete so I think it was
> the plywood that infected the papercrete.
>>
>> The Making of Papercrete DVD now available on Amazon.com
>>
> http://www.amazon.com/Making-Papercrete-Judith-Williams/dp/B0040ZNE9A/re\
> f=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1283998627&sr=8-1
>>
>> Follow progress on the new project at
> http://www.papercretebyjudith.com/blog
>>
>> More papercrete info at http://squidoo.com/papercretebyjudith
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
>> From: Spaceman@...
>> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:47:18 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: fermented paper / was Several hundred
> pounds of books
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This discussion makes it sound like mold is a big problem with pc,
> whereas I have never had any mold problem in all the pc I have done,
> which is a considerable amount. Even when I let a mix sit in the mixer
> for a week all I got was a slight smell and a little bubble action from
> bacteria/yeast/whatever.
>>
>> Mike McCain helped make a facility for growing mushrooms in CO, and
> they kept a hose running on the pc roof all the time to keep the
> interior humidity high. There was no mention of mold.
>>
>> Has anyone on the list actually had a mold problem or is it just
> something that we talk about as a possibility?
>>
>> spaceman
>>
>> All opinions expressed or implied
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>> upon receipt of new information.
>>
>> http://Starship-Enterprises.Net
>> On 9/23/2010 4:19 AM, Nick Boersema wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ozone generators do a fine job on mold. There are lots of build
> instructions to be googled.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:papercreters@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of stick0boy
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:12 PM
>> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [papercreters] Re: fermented paper / was Several hundred
> pounds of books
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> anyone know if there has been any studies of RFs and mold? or could
> stick a magnetron tube from a old micro in it and stand well back lol
>>
>>
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[papercreters] Re: fermented paper / was Several hundred pounds of books

Actully the discussion got started when I announced I had several
hundred pounds of old books for somebody to take before 3 days were up,
well they are up and we got rid of three pickup truck loads as high as
we could stack them. Our library asked for them to sell in their book
sell, 3 for a dollar. I told her if she could get just 15 cents a piece
she could retire. ha ha

Bob


--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, JUDITH WILLIAMS
<williams_judith@...> wrote:
>
>
> I think this dicussion got started when someone said they left their
paper in water for a long time. Then someone else said don't you ever
have a mold problem.
>
> I have had one experience with mold. I formed up a curved wall that
was actually quite thick. I used 1/4" plywood cut in half to form a 4
foot square. I wedged it in to curve it and poured it full of
papercrete. I can't dexcribe the shape of it but it was sort of
triangular and held a lot of slurry. I left that form on for about
almost a year I think. I had moved on to other things and just sort of
forgot about it. Anyway, when I took the plywood off there was an area
of black mold on one side of the wall. It was small, maybe 2 square
inches or so. After it was exposed to the sun for a while it went away.
The mold was on the plywood more than the papercrete so I think it was
the plywood that infected the papercrete.
>
> The Making of Papercrete DVD now available on Amazon.com
>
http://www.amazon.com/Making-Papercrete-Judith-Williams/dp/B0040ZNE9A/re\
f=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1283998627&sr=8-1

>
> Follow progress on the new project at
http://www.papercretebyjudith.com/blog
>
> More papercrete info at http://squidoo.com/papercretebyjudith
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> From: Spaceman@...
> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:47:18 -0600
> Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: fermented paper / was Several hundred
pounds of books
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This discussion makes it sound like mold is a big problem with pc,
whereas I have never had any mold problem in all the pc I have done,
which is a considerable amount. Even when I let a mix sit in the mixer
for a week all I got was a slight smell and a little bubble action from
bacteria/yeast/whatever.
>
> Mike McCain helped make a facility for growing mushrooms in CO, and
they kept a hose running on the pc roof all the time to keep the
interior humidity high. There was no mention of mold.
>
> Has anyone on the list actually had a mold problem or is it just
something that we talk about as a possibility?
>
> spaceman
>
> All opinions expressed or implied
> are subject to change without notice
> upon receipt of new information.
>
> http://Starship-Enterprises.Net
> On 9/23/2010 4:19 AM, Nick Boersema wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ozone generators do a fine job on mold. There are lots of build
instructions to be googled.
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
> From: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:papercreters@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of stick0boy
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:12 PM
> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [papercreters] Re: fermented paper / was Several hundred
pounds of books
>
>
>
>
>
> anyone know if there has been any studies of RFs and mold? or could
stick a magnetron tube from a old micro in it and stand well back lol
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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RE: [papercreters] Re: fermented paper / was Several hundred pounds of books



I think this dicussion got started when someone said they left their paper in water for a long time. Then someone else said don't you ever have a mold problem.
 
I have had one experience with mold. I formed up a curved wall that was actually quite thick. I used 1/4" plywood cut in half to form a 4 foot square. I wedged it in to curve it and poured it full of papercrete. I can't dexcribe the shape of it but it was sort of triangular and held a lot of slurry. I left that form on for about almost a year I think. I had moved on to other things and just sort of forgot about it. Anyway, when I took the plywood off there was an area of black mold on one side of the wall. It was small, maybe 2 square inches or so. After it was exposed to the sun for a while it went away. The mold was on the plywood more than the papercrete so I think it was the plywood that infected the papercrete.

The Making of Papercrete DVD now available on Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/Making-Papercrete-Judith-Williams/dp/B0040ZNE9A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1283998627&sr=8-1

Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercretebyjudith.com/blog

More papercrete info at http://squidoo.com/papercretebyjudith



 


To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
From: Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:47:18 -0600
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: fermented paper / was Several hundred pounds of books

 
This discussion makes it sound like mold is a big problem with pc, whereas I have never had any mold problem in all the pc I have done, which is a considerable amount. Even when I let a mix sit in the mixer for a week all I got was a slight smell and a little bubble action from bacteria/yeast/whatever.

Mike McCain helped make a facility for growing mushrooms in CO, and they kept a hose running on the pc roof all the time to keep the interior humidity high. There was no mention of mold.

Has anyone on the list actually had a mold problem or is it just something that we talk about as a possibility?

spaceman  All opinions expressed or implied are subject to change without notice upon receipt of new information.  http://Starship-Enterprises.Net

On 9/23/2010 4:19 AM, Nick Boersema wrote:

Ozone generators do a fine job on mold.  There are lots of build instructions to be googled.

 

Nick

 


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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:12 PM
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [papercreters] Re: fermented paper / was Several hundred pounds of books

 

 

anyone know if there has been any studies of RFs and mold? or could stick a magnetron tube from a old micro in it and stand well back lol
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Re: [papercreters] Re: Several hundred pound of old books

Rife was extreme fringe stuff. Way way more fringe than papercrete, more like tin foil hats to stop alien mind control. So if you want to suggest his methods to control mould, you'd need to provide some good evidence that it actually works.


Colloidal silver is another fringe bug killer, but one that does work (I've tested enough to know). Its very cheap & easy to make. If you google it, try not to take most of what's written too seriously, cs is basically a victim fo the nonsense written both by people that like it and those that oppose its use.

Another potential bug killer is electrolysed table salt. Again cheap & easy.


NT

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Perry Way <perryway@...> wrote:
>
> There's been a lot of study (as it relates to humans and disease) on molds,
> bacterias, viruses, microscopic parasites and fungi. If you do the proper
> research you'll uncover that back in the 1930's and 1940's Royal Raymond
> Rife supported the earlier research by Bechamp that overturns Pasteur's germ
> theory. Basically what was found or discovered is that all molds,
> bacterias, viruses, microscopic parasites and fungi are pleomorphic. That
> means the same seed if you will, can be made to assume many different kinds
> of shapes or outcomes. So a virus and a bacteria and a mold and a fungus
> are all related creatures. The difference between a related virus and a
> bacteria and a mold and a fungus is environmental, alone! In other words PH
> differences and chemical differences in the filtrate or in the host body
> cause one "seed" to assume the final shape as either a bacteria, or a virus,
> or a mold or a fungus! The desire behind this study was to eliminate
> disease, but we can apply that knowledge to other areas possibly. Long
> story short, electromagnetics can be used to either completely immobilize
> the molds, bacterias, viruses, parasites and fungi, or to completely destroy
> them using radio frequency oscillations (much like an opera singer that can
> break wine glasses with their voice alone). Where I'm leading to is this
> technology is repeatable and proveable in the human body, so perhaps someone
> can use a similar device to keep paper pulp from molding. Each virus,
> bacteria, mold, fungus has it's own oscillation rate (hippies called this
> "vibration" and it really applies very well here). If you tune the
> instrumentation to that rate of vibration, you can safely target only that
> one organism and kill it!
>
> I'm thinking of building one of these devices using the information I've
> gathered from my studies which can penetrate an 8 to 11 inch dense subject
> (like the human body) and wipe out these creatures but I have no clue what
> oscillation rate would apply to paper molds. The way I see it, if anyone is
> interested in pursuing this study, pure experimentation by rote method might
> yield a desired result. But since this is a often discussed topic, moldy
> paper pulp or moldy papercrete, this may be a valuable study. Anyway,
> that's the only contribution I have on this subject so I'm going to sit down
> and shut up now! :)
>
> Perry
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Spaceman <Spaceman@...
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I can get away with a couple of days. The fermented paper has never molded
> > in my experience, and I think the resultant pc is lighter.
> >
> > spaceman
> >
> > All opinions expressed or implied
> > are subject to change without notice
> > upon receipt of new information.
> > http://Starship-Enterprises.Net
> >
> >
> > On 9/22/2010 5:16 PM, Wayne wrote:
> >
> > no additives. You would have a bigger problem in warmer climates, as I do
> > over the summer, but paper ferments very slowly, and over winter our
> > temperature seldom gets above 12c (54f). After awhile you get used to the
> > mild odor and it dissipates when it dries.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [papercreters] Re: Ron & Doris's bath



I'll be house sitting for a friend across town but if you'll give me a heads up I can meet you.

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On 9/23/2010 10:56 AM, doris wrote:
The floor is concrete in the bathroom.  I put pex tubing in the floor to circulate solar hot water and didnt want insulation of papercrete blocking the heat.  Grandbaby getting cuter by the day! On the mold issue, I have never seen mold papercrete or even pulp left on the ground for over a year even though the pulp stays damp under the top crust. On Roman concrete, I believe the key ingredient is that volcanic ash which reacts like cement and is rare.  I read of a similar ash from a volcano near Mexico City.  Spaceman, we will be in El Paso a week from Friday and would love to see your domes.  Any chance?  --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "countryatheartok" <criswells.ok@...> wrote: 
 Looks like the bathroom is just about complete, looks good, was that a concrete floor in that area or a PC floor? Nice tile job Doris, how is that new grandbaby?  
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[papercreters] Re: Ron & Doris's bath

The floor is concrete in the bathroom. I put pex tubing in the floor to circulate solar hot water and didnt want insulation of papercrete blocking the heat. Grandbaby getting cuter by the day!
On the mold issue, I have never seen mold papercrete or even pulp left on the ground for over a year even though the pulp stays damp under the top crust. On Roman concrete, I believe the key ingredient is that volcanic ash which reacts like cement and is rare. I read of a similar ash from a volcano near Mexico City. Spaceman, we will be in El Paso a week from Friday and would love to see your domes. Any chance?

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "countryatheartok" <criswells.ok@...> wrote:
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> Looks like the bathroom is just about complete, looks good, was that a
> concrete floor in that area or a PC floor? Nice tile job Doris, how is
> that new grandbaby?
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Re: [papercreters] Re: fermented paper / was Several hundred pounds of books

Greetings,

Mike also did one for growing escargo, which really requires a wet area,
back in the mid 90s. That was what convinced me that we could use paper
crete down here on the Gulf Coast. I will take some pictures next week,
when we visit some walls that have been exposed for years, coming close
to 10, with no paint or protection. The recipes for those walls are in
the file or archives I do believe.

Bright Blessings,
Garth & Kim Travis
www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
Bedias, Texas
936-395-0110

On 9/23/2010 9:47 AM, Spaceman wrote:
>
>
> This discussion makes it sound like mold is a big problem with pc,
> whereas I have never had any mold problem in all the pc I have done,
> which is a considerable amount. Even when I let a mix sit in the mixer
> for a week all I got was a slight smell and a little bubble action from
> bacteria/yeast/whatever.
>
> Mike McCain helped make a facility for growing mushrooms in CO, and they
> kept a hose running on the pc roof all the time to keep the interior
> humidity high. There was no mention of mold.
>
> Has anyone on the list actually had a mold problem or is it just
> something that we talk about as a possibility?
>
> spaceman
>
> All opinions expressed or implied
> are subject to change without notice
> upon receipt of new information.
>
> http://Starship-Enterprises.Net
>
>
> On 9/23/2010 4:19 AM, Nick Boersema wrote:
>>
>> Ozone generators do a fine job on mold. There are lots of build
>> instructions to be googled.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* papercreters@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:papercreters@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *stick0boy
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:12 PM
>> *To:* papercreters@yahoogroups.com
>> *Subject:* [papercreters] Re: fermented paper / was Several hundred
>> pounds of books
>>
>> anyone know if there has been any studies of RFs and mold? or could
>> stick a magnetron tube from a old micro in it and stand well back lol
>>
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
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Re: [papercreters] Re: fermented paper / was Several hundred pounds of books



This discussion makes it sound like mold is a big problem with pc, whereas I have never had any mold problem in all the pc I have done, which is a considerable amount. Even when I let a mix sit in the mixer for a week all I got was a slight smell and a little bubble action from bacteria/yeast/whatever.

Mike McCain helped make a facility for growing mushrooms in CO, and they kept a hose running on the pc roof all the time to keep the interior humidity high. There was no mention of mold.

Has anyone on the list actually had a mold problem or is it just something that we talk about as a possibility?

spaceman  All opinions expressed or implied are subject to change without notice upon receipt of new information.  http://Starship-Enterprises.Net

On 9/23/2010 4:19 AM, Nick Boersema wrote:

Ozone generators do a fine job on mold.  There are lots of build instructions to be googled.

 

Nick

 


From: papercreters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:papercreters@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of stick0boy
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:12 PM
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [papercreters] Re: fermented paper / was Several hundred pounds of books

 

 

anyone know if there has been any studies of RFs and mold? or could stick a magnetron tube from a old micro in it and stand well back lol

 
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Re: [papercreters] Roman Concrete



Here is a brief about Roman Concrete - http://www.delanceyplace.com/readarchives.php?letter_id=1403&lettertype=&pageaction=browse

Best,
Ion

2010/9/9 Perry Way <perryway@gmail.com>


Some months ago I read a fantastic little concise write-up on Roman Concrete, I thought provided by Charmaine Taylor.  I've been all up and down and sideways today looking for that write-up and no can find!  I don't know, maybe it's so simple to find that I skimmed right over the post!  If anyone knows say.. the subject, or perhaps even better the actual post ID on the yahoo groups website, could you provide that?  Thanks! Perry




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