Tuesday, June 30, 2009

Re: [papercreters] PC Countertops - Any ideas?



Chad,
To add my 2 cents worth of thoughts, you could make the countertop as Bob explained (upside down, about 3" thick) then let it cure to nearly dry or dry. Then remove the light countertop from the form.  As Janoahsh mentioned, the ease of cleaning and the actual cleanliness is important if the place is going to have inspectors nosing around.  Why not leave the natural beauty of the papercrete shine through?  Put a 2 part clear epoxy surface on there like they do on huge slabs of wood for bars?  Thery are durable, smooth, clean easily, don't turn brown or yellow with age, can be applied by a less than competent person, can be sanded over and reapplied, its is hard, and won't stain.  The best thing for someone serving customers is that the customers arms don't stick to it like on some counters/tables that never get really cleaned when wiped with cloth lightly 20 times a day.
Ron


From: Chad <chfmac2@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:07:43 PM
Subject: [papercreters] PC Countertops - Any ideas?

Hello all. I am in the process of opening a new restaurant in Raleigh, NC and we are trying to be as green in the up fit as possible. I really want to put a papercrete countertop in our bar and have the basic idea of how to get it done. My question(s): 1- How would I get a nice smooth finish (can I machanicaly polish it)? 2- What is the best way to seal the top from water/food/ect. (I was thinking about bees wax)? 3- What is a good solid thickness to make the bar (I was thinking about 3 inches)?
I know that each application has it's own little "gremlins" with it. So, experimentation is not completely out of the question. Any advise would be greatly welcom. Thanks



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[papercreters] PC Countertops - Porosiity



Porosity is a major concern in a commercial kitchen where food is prepared.  Bacteria can live in the pores and contaminate the food.  This makes it a concern to DEC and governs their approval.  Not so much a concern in the eating area, but it stands to reason that a sealed surface is easier to maintain than a porous one.



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[papercreters] Re: PC Countertops - Any ideas?




Don't know much about pouring countertops, but I do know that from what I've seen done, most countertops are poured upside down into a form with all edges already rounded inside the form. Then after drying the countertop is righted and the form removed, it is carried and put into place. I've been pouring my patio in 26w"x96l"x3.5d" sections, once poured I cover the section with 2 mill visquine and then using one of my plastic stone forms I imprint a stone pattern onto the surface, and then after it dryes I remove the visquine. Lately I've been adding paper pulp into the concrete mixture. The pour usually takes six 80 lbs bags of ready mix, and by adding 2 gallons wet paper pulp per bag of ready mix, I've cut the amount of ready mix to four bags. It dries a little slower than the normal ready mix, but only by about 24 hours. The texture is a little courser but I like it that way. Don't know if the same idea would work for a countetop or not but if you try it let us know how it turns out.

Bob

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 Hello all. I am in the process of opening a new restaurant in Raleigh, NC and we are trying to be as green in the up fit as possible. I really want to put a papercrete countertop in our bar and have the basic idea of how to get it done. My question(s): 1- How would I get a nice smooth finish (can I machanicaly polish it)? 2- What is the best way to seal the top from water/food/ect. (I was thinking about bees wax)? 3- What is a good solid thickness to make the bar (I was thinking about 3 inches)? 
I know that each application has it's own little "gremlins" with it. So, experimentation is not completely out of the question. Any advise would be greatly welcom. Thanks



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RE: [papercreters] PC Countertops - Any ideas?



Sodium silicate or waterglass is used to seal cement surfaces.

 


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Hello all. I am in the process of opening a new restaurant in Raleigh, NC and we are trying to be as green in the up fit as possible. I really want to put a papercrete countertop in our bar and have the basic idea of how to get it done. My question(s): 1- How would I get a nice smooth finish (can I machanicaly polish it)? 2- What is the best way to seal the top from water/food/ect. (I was thinking about bees wax)? 3- What is a good solid thickness to make the bar (I was thinking about 3 inches)?
I know that each application has it's own little "gremlins" with it. So, experimentation is not completely out of the question. Any advise would be greatly welcom. Thanks



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Monday, June 29, 2009

[papercreters] PC Countertops - Any ideas?

Hello all. I am in the process of opening a new restaurant in Raleigh, NC and we are trying to be as green in the up fit as possible. I really want to put a papercrete countertop in our bar and have the basic idea of how to get it done. My question(s): 1- How would I get a nice smooth finish (can I machanicaly polish it)? 2- What is the best way to seal the top from water/food/ect. (I was thinking about bees wax)? 3- What is a good solid thickness to make the bar (I was thinking about 3 inches)?
I know that each application has it's own little "gremlins" with it. So, experimentation is not completely out of the question. Any advise would be greatly welcom. Thanks

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[papercreters] Re: FREE - Non Paying Papercrete Job Opening {West Texas - near El Paso}

What a deal, even at half that salary!

Of course... whoever takes Spaceman up on his offer should post regular updates on Papercreters and take pictures.

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[papercreters] Re: Recipe Ratios

I can understand your desire for a stronger higher mineral mix if you are creating artificial thin veneer stones. Thin papercrete does tend to tear and break easily.

When you start working with thicker and bulkier chunks of papercrete to infill a pole barn, you won't need very high strength at all. The poles of the barn will carry the bulk of the loads. You'll only need papercrete strong enough to support itself and whatever surface treatments you put on it. Even some of the weakest papercrete mixes can handle those loads. The most important factors then will be low cost and fire retardancy.


Bob, can you do me a favor? Can you make one small bucket of wet paper pulp and weigh exactly how much water and DRY paper you put in the bucket? What you consider wet paper and what someone else might consider wet paper can vary in quantity rather dramatically.

I'm not asking you to change how you work. Do whatever is easiest for you to get your job done. I would simply appreciate a one time weighing to provide a frame of reference. It will make it easier to compare what you are doing to what others have done, and for others to duplicate your mix if they want to.

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" <criswells.ok@...> wrote:
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>
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "slurryguy" <slurryguy@> wrote:
>
> Bob:
>
> Relax. It appears that you are over-thinking this. Papercrete IS NOT
> ROCKET SCIENCE.
>
> Forget about trying to analyze what M-G is doing. It doesn't matter.
>
> Please...
> What are you building?
>
> I will be building the pole barn plan I've posted in the photo section
> not sure exactly when, it will be for my youngest son on 2.5 acres of
> sandy soil.
>
><snip>
>
>
> 1. 50% wet paper pulp/ 30% damp earth/ 10% dry sand/ 10% Portland
> cement
> 2. 60% wet paper pulp/ 20% damp earth/ 15% dry sand/ 15% Portland
> cement
> 3. 65% wet paper pulp/ 25% damp earth/ 10% Portland cement
> 4. 70% wet paper pulp/ 15% damp earth/ 15% Portland cement
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[papercreters] Pacaderm 200???

I can see it now. The next version of your beast will not only compress blocks, but it will also lay them out in neat little rows to dry. Kids all over will want to come watch. Just be careful when you knock over that first one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CFu6AEaTaI


--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "smt460" <smt460@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mr slurry the quarry vactions are top notch they pay you and if i went to a beach i will melt,dint you see frosty the snowman?lol.I did mention to bruce about the angle and he dint think it would matter.After drain off of the slurry it is just to stiff to move so a convayor is about the only other way to move it.The 200 gal mix still gave us 23 blocks and they still have a slight wedging on one side so if anyone is going to build a press make it verticle gravity will win.The press does have a name The Pacaderm 100,there is a brass one on the hyd tank.Portland cement is about 11$ a bag but we can get waste frack cement for free from the oilfield companys.The fly ash ,they will pay us to haul it away from the power plant but must go in an enclosed cement bulker to a silo.We will be doing some more test blocks once the convayor is built and sending them to the csa for testing.
> Clair
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[papercreters] Re: Hog ring gun



I had to look on ebay, was really relieved to see it didn't have anything to do with hogs!
 
Terry/AZ
 


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Sunday, June 28, 2009

RE: [papercreters] Re: Hog ring gun



What, prey tell, is a hog ring gun??

 

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Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:27 AM
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Subject: [papercreters] Re: Hog ring gun

 




--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Janoahsh" <janoahsh@...> wrote:
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> Can anyone direct me to a good used pneumatic hog ring gun for sale?
>
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I have 3 hog ring guns I just posted 1 of them on ebay sat. 6-27-09.
I tried to send you a message sat. but i don't know if you got it let me know I can send pics. of other guns if you like 1 of them is used.



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Re: [papercreters] Re: Recipe Ratios

Greetings,
Would Bruce Murray happen to be a lawyer in Edmonton? DH and I are
transplanted Albertans to Texas.
Bright Blessings,
Kim

Bob wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "smt460" <smt460@...> wrote:
>
> Hey! I'm back,was out at our quarry for two weeks weird to see the
> city. First I'm a man not a girl lol, and I live in Alberta Canada.
>
> Sorry Clair for the mis-quote! After you posted this I went back to
> your photo section and indeed I see a picture of you and Bruce. The
> paper must have also mis-spelled your name, It looks like it reads
> _Claire_ Schmidt and Bruce Murray with pipeline insulation that was
> made using a recycyled papercrete mix. And another photo of you that
> says Claire Schmidt dumps the papercrete mix into a machine that will
> turn it into a brick ready to be used in construction.
>
> I should have looked at your pictures better the first time. Must be
> nice to get a big write up like that.
>
> Bob
>
>
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[papercreters] Re: Recipe Ratios




--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "slurryguy" <slurryguy@...> wrote:

 Bob:
 
Relax. It appears that you are over-thinking this. Papercrete IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.
 
Forget about trying to analyze what M-G is doing. It doesn't matter. 
 
Please... 
What are you building?

I will be building the pole barn plan I've posted in the photo section not sure exactly when, it will be for my youngest son on 2.5 acres of sandy soil.

At present I am making stones in plactic forms and also I am in the process of making additional silicone molds of stones to make into papercrete stones to be used for veneering a new addition to my house. The #1 mixture below should work very good for this one. Even my first batch formula in the photo section worked good for that but it uses to much costly Portland Cement, I want to reduce the cost per stone.

What performance factors are most important to you?

Just want the stuff to be what I picture a solid block to be like, something I can't tear up with my hands.
 
Tell us that, and many here will happily provide whatever assistance we can to speed you toward a good papercrete mix for your situation.

 I think I'm going to try out some of the following formulas until I find one I really like:

"Here are four typical mixes. Recipes are given in percentages, by volume. These can easily be converted into shovel-fulls or pail-fulls, for instance by calling each unit 10%. Note that Roman cement can be substituted for Portland cement if you want a more natural mix. The earth you use should have a high clay content. What is referred to as "wet paper pulp" has been drained on a screen and still contains a lot of water. Add water if necessary during the mixing to adjust the consistency depending on your application. Recipe number 1 will result in the most hard and dense material, and the following recipes result in lighter and softer finished material as you go down the list."

  1. 50% wet paper pulp/ 30% damp earth/ 10% dry sand/ 10% Portland cement
  2. 60% wet paper pulp/ 20% damp earth/ 15% dry sand/ 15% Portland cement
  3. 65% wet paper pulp/ 25% damp earth/ 10% Portland cement
  4. 70% wet paper pulp/ 15% damp earth/ 15% Portland cement



 



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[papercreters] Re: Recipe Ratios




--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "smt460" <smt460@...> wrote:

Hey! I'm back,was out at our quarry for two weeks weird to see the city. First I'm a man not a girl lol, and I live in Alberta Canada.

Sorry Clair for the mis-quote! After you posted this I went back to your photo section and indeed I see a picture of you and Bruce.  The paper must have also mis-spelled your name, It looks like it reads Claire Schmidt and Bruce Murray with pipeline insulation that was made using a recycyled papercrete mix. And another photo of you that says Claire Schmidt dumps the papercrete mix into a machine that will turn it into a brick ready to be used in construction.

I should have looked at your pictures better the first time.  Must be nice to get a big write up like that.

Bob



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[papercreters] Re: Recipe Ratios

Hi Mr slurry the quarry vactions are top notch they pay you and if i went to a beach i will melt,dint you see frosty the snowman?lol.I did mention to bruce about the angle and he dint think it would matter.After drain off of the slurry it is just to stiff to move so a convayor is about the only other way to move it.The 200 gal mix still gave us 23 blocks and they still have a slight wedging on one side so if anyone is going to build a press make it verticle gravity will win.The press does have a name The Pacaderm 100,there is a brass one on the hyd tank.Portland cement is about 11$ a bag but we can get waste frack cement for free from the oilfield companys.The fly ash ,they will pay us to haul it away from the power plant but must go in an enclosed cement bulker to a silo.We will be doing some more test blocks once the convayor is built and sending them to the csa for testing.
Clair


--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "slurryguy" <slurryguy@...> wrote:
>
> Two weeks in a Quarry?
>
> You just couldn't stand a vacation on a beach somewhere could you? Just had to go one up on everyone else. You had to go get all uppity high class on us and go where all the rich folks go. Yep... those quarry vactions are top notch. Yes they are. ;)
>
>
>
>
>
> Great looking press machine there Clair.
>
> Any chance you can try your auger at a lower angle? Most augers don't work well above a 45deg angle or there abouts. Yours looks more like 75deg or so by my highly uncalibrated eye looking at the photos.
>
>
> Just to make it clear. The mineral to paper ratio for Clair's mix is
> 1.4 to 1
>
> I assume that's by DRY weight.
>
>
> I find it interesting that this is probably the highest concentration of fly ash used in papercrete that I've ever heard about someone using. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work well, though.
>
> What's the going rate for Fly Ash and Portland Cement in your area Clair?
>
> Are you going to be able to get a bulk discount for the quantities you plan to squish through that beast of yours?
>
> Does the beast have a name? Maybe you should go to the new Transformers movie and pick out a name? hehe
>
>
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "smt460" <smt460@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey im back,was out at our quarry for two weeks weird to see the city.First im a man not a girl lol and i live in Alberta Canada. The last mix we did was 100 lbs paper dry,40 lbs portland 80 lbs fly ash,20 lbs jackpine sand (high clay content)in a 200 gal mixer.We found the blocks alot more dense without extra weight,still about 12 lbs.when you press you have to let the mix drain off for at least 6 hrs then you can press quite fast and remove them from the press by hand.Grain augers dont work so we are now building a convayor to deliver the mix.Will be in town for a week and back out again for two weeks.Heet curing hmmm we have been collecting used cooking oil since last fall we have a grain bin half full of 5 gal pails,800 gals.Look at babington burners on youtube.have a good night
> > Clair
> >
> >
>


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[papercreters] Re: Recipe Ratios

Hey we get the flyash for free from my friends cement plant,the power plant they get it from will pay us to haul it away but you need a cement bulker and a silo to pump it into which we are working on.

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@...> wrote:
>
>
> I wonder where Clair gets his fly ash. I can't get it except already mixed w/cement from an anon source (don't know where he gets it but it is hush hush).
>
> Sincerely, Judith
> Visit my new website at http://www.papercretebyjudith.com
>
> More info at www.judith-l-williams.com
>
> http://www.productcreationlabs.com/cmd.php?af=980303
> http://www.productcreationlabs.com/cmd.php?Clk=3034152
>
> If you can't explain it simply, you don't know it well enough.
>
> If we knew what we were doing it wouldn't be called research, would it?
>
> Albert Einstein
>
>
>
>
>
> EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
> Join me
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> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> From: slurryguy@...
> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:35:14 +0000
> Subject: [papercreters] Re: Recipe Ratios
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> You just couldn't stand a vacation on a beach somewhere could you? Just had to go one up on everyone else. You had to go get all uppity high class on us and go where all the rich folks go. Yep... those quarry vactions are top notch. Yes they are. ;)
>
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> Great looking press machine there Clair.
>
>
>
> Any chance you can try your auger at a lower angle? Most augers don't work well above a 45deg angle or there abouts. Yours looks more like 75deg or so by my highly uncalibrated eye looking at the photos.
>
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> Just to make it clear. The mineral to paper ratio for Clair's mix is
>
> 1.4 to 1
>
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>
> I assume that's by DRY weight.
>
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>
> I find it interesting that this is probably the highest concentration of fly ash used in papercrete that I've ever heard about someone using. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work well, though.
>
>
>
> What's the going rate for Fly Ash and Portland Cement in your area Clair?
>
>
>
> Are you going to be able to get a bulk discount for the quantities you plan to squish through that beast of yours?
>
>
>
> Does the beast have a name? Maybe you should go to the new Transformers movie and pick out a name? hehe
>
>
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "smt460" <smt460@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Hey im back,was out at our quarry for two weeks weird to see the city.First im a man not a girl lol and i live in Alberta Canada. The last mix we did was 100 lbs paper dry,40 lbs portland 80 lbs fly ash,20 lbs jackpine sand (high clay content)in a 200 gal mixer.We found the blocks alot more dense without extra weight,still about 12 lbs.when you press you have to let the mix drain off for at least 6 hrs then you can press quite fast and remove them from the press by hand.Grain augers dont work so we are now building a convayor to deliver the mix.Will be in town for a week and back out again for two weeks.Heet curing hmmm we have been collecting used cooking oil since last fall we have a grain bin half full of 5 gal pails,800 gals.Look at babington burners on youtube.have a good night
>
> > Clair
>
> >
>
> >
>


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Re: [papercreters] FREE - Non Paying Papercrete Job Opening {West Texas - near El Paso}



This area gets 8 inches of rain a year, mostly in July and August. Every afternoon it clouds up and there are roving thunderstorms that you can watch from fifty miles away or experience up close and personal when someone else is watching you get pounded. Folks call it the monsoon season and start filling sandbags for the flash floods.

Nick Boersema wrote:

Define monsoon season?

 


From: papercreters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:papercreters@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Spaceman
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 3:54 PM
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Subject: [papercreters] FREE - Non Paying Papercrete Job Opening {West Texas - near El Paso}

 




 


I have an opening for someone(s) who want to do some hands on papercrete in the high chihuahuan desert monsoon season. Dawn is 75, it's 98 by 3, then it starts clouding up. By 5 it cools  down to about 80 and there might be a sprinkle, with lots of traveling thunderstorms on the horizon and double rainbows almost every day during great sunsets behind a picturesque mountain range. Nights are cool and breezy, the milky way dominates the sky. Wake up to the sound of quails teaching the chicks how to find food, and the humming birds chasing each other away from the feeders. In mid July it will drop to high 80's peak and the yellow and purple flowers will burst out.

Lots of room for camping, or a king size brass bed in a school bus is available. Might be able to get a cooler working. Have spotty wifi connected to a dialup. I'll even feed you beans and rice and home made bread, and share a beer or two, but no pay, no charge. Trade room and knowledge/experience for manual labor.

What a deal! Workshops cost $250 and up for a weekend, and here you can get as much experience as you can enjoy for FREE!
Flexible Hours,  Learn  at  Your  Own  Pace

Come for a weekend, come for a month.

Contact me off list - spaceman at starship-enterprises dot net and use a subject including the word papercreters to get past spam filters.






 
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RE: [papercreters] Re: Hog ring gun



Yes, I’m interested,

Please send info.

 


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Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:27 AM
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Subject: [papercreters] Re: Hog ring gun

 




--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Janoahsh" <janoahsh@...> wrote:
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> Can anyone direct me to a good used pneumatic hog ring gun for sale?
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I have 3 hog ring guns I just posted 1 of them on ebay sat. 6-27-09.
I tried to send you a message sat. but i don't know if you got it let me know I can send pics. of other guns if you like 1 of them is used.



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RE: [papercreters] FREE - Non Paying Papercrete Job Opening {West Texas - near El Paso}



Define monsoon season?

 


From: papercreters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:papercreters@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Spaceman
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 3:54 PM
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [papercreters] FREE - Non Paying Papercrete Job Opening {West Texas - near El Paso}

 




 


I have an opening for someone(s) who want to do some hands on papercrete in the high chihuahuan desert monsoon season. Dawn is 75, it's 98 by 3, then it starts clouding up. By 5 it cools  down to about 80 and there might be a sprinkle, with lots of traveling thunderstorms on the horizon and double rainbows almost every day during great sunsets behind a picturesque mountain range. Nights are cool and breezy, the milky way dominates the sky. Wake up to the sound of quails teaching the chicks how to find food, and the humming birds chasing each other away from the feeders. In mid July it will drop to high 80's peak and the yellow and purple flowers will burst out.

Lots of room for camping, or a king size brass bed in a school bus is available. Might be able to get a cooler working. Have spotty wifi connected to a dialup. I'll even feed you beans and rice and home made bread, and share a beer or two, but no pay, no charge. Trade room and knowledge/experience for manual labor.

What a deal! Workshops cost $250 and up for a weekend, and here you can get as much experience as you can enjoy for FREE!
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Contact me off list - spaceman at starship-enterprises dot net and use a subject including the word papercreters to get past spam filters.








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[papercreters] FREE - Non Paying Papercrete Job Opening {West Texas - near El Paso}





I have an opening for someone(s) who want to do some hands on papercrete in the high chihuahuan desert monsoon season. Dawn is 75, it's 98 by 3, then it starts clouding up. By 5 it cools  down to about 80 and there might be a sprinkle, with lots of traveling thunderstorms on the horizon and double rainbows almost every day during great sunsets behind a picturesque mountain range. Nights are cool and breezy, the milky way dominates the sky. Wake up to the sound of quails teaching the chicks how to find food, and the humming birds chasing each other away from the feeders. In mid July it will drop to high 80's peak and the yellow and purple flowers will burst out.

Lots of room for camping, or a king size brass bed in a school bus is available. Might be able to get a cooler working. Have spotty wifi connected to a dialup. I'll even feed you beans and rice and home made bread, and share a beer or two, but no pay, no charge. Trade room and knowledge/experience for manual labor.

What a deal! Workshops cost $250 and up for a weekend, and here you can get as much experience as you can enjoy for FREE!
Flexible Hours,  Learn  at  Your  Own  Pace

Come for a weekend, come for a month.

Contact me off list - spaceman at starship-enterprises dot net and use a subject including the word papercreters to get past spam filters.









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Re: [papercreters] Re: Recipe Ratios



Thanks Clair,
I wonder if the flights on the post hole digger are stouter than the grain auger flights.  The flights on my auger are .070" thick and spirally welded to a 1.010" pipe. 

The whole reason I am (trying to) do it this way is to avoid having a hydraulic pump and multiple rams to do all the necessary parts and movements.  I will admit that other than pouring fluid in the tractor tank and manipulating the bucket controls I have limited (working) knowledge of hydraulic systems, so I have steered away from that. 

I anticipate that if I put enough holes in the end of the auger and all around the box that reduces to the brick size, water will leave it.  If this can be accomplished with 150 psi and have a uniform brick after drying, that is all I intend.  If I need to get 1,000 psi to do the job then an auger may not work (at least not a free auger I found in my scrap yard).  I still feel it is a simpler process that will make uniform bricks faster, and faster and simpler relates to lower cost in my book.

Ron


From: smt460 <smt460@yahoo.com>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:08:34 AM
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Recipe Ratios

Hi Ron yes you have to let it drain off for 6 hrs in a hopper,for your application i would just get a big hyd ram.The flights on the grain auger are to light for extrusion molding.The slurry will auger before you drain it off but will need a convayor to move it after that.
Clair.

--- In papercreters@ yahoogroups. com, Ron Richter <ronerichter@ ...> wrote:
>
> You are right of course. I hadn't planned on giving up the idea, I may need to have a custom made auger build to really pressurize the slurry. Instead of a parallel sided axle to which the blade is attached, a custom made one could have a large initial volume then have the axle expand larger toward the ouput end to "put the squeeze to it". This is good since the outside of the blades will remain parallel to fit inside a pipe.
>
> I mentioned I left my camera cable in Alaska so I can't transfer pictures right now. Maybe I'll borrow someone's camera that I can hook up to the computer.
>
> I'm building the hot house with a pallet floor today. I need to drill lightening holes in the wood slats on the pallets to allow more air/drainage to occur.
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: slurryguy <slurryguy@. ..>
> To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:11:35 AM
> Subject: [papercreters] Re: Recipe Ratios
>
>
>
>
>
> You have a very interesting idea, Ron.
>
> I wouldn't just give up on it unless you are convinced you have come up with a better idea. I don't know for certain that it will work well, but I encourage you to experiment enough with it that you can fully understand the capabilities of your extrusion method. Remember, no experiment is a failure if you LEARN FROM IT.
>
> PICTURES!!!? ???
>
> How about pictures of the parts and equipment you have so far and maybe a crude drawing of what you are thinking?
>
> --- In papercreters@ yahoogroups. com, Ron Richter <ronerichter@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Slurryguy & Clair,
> > I wish we had had this discussion a month ago. I figured with Barry Fuller wanting 25,000 for a press and me needing one I could build one for a lot less. Bob Criswell and I emailed back and forth a couple of times, and talked of design issues but I went another direction when I took a stroll in the "back 40".
> >
> > I found an old posthole auger that you would mount on a 3 point hitch and drive from the PTO off a tractor. It is 6" diameter and 3 feet long and I figured it would be perfect to put in a pipe and push slurry into a box full of holes (for drainage) that slowly constricts (to build pressure) into the final shape of the wanted brick. This would create an extrusion of compressed PC and then one could have a hydraulic press (or a hand saw) that cuts it to length and put holes in the brick (if desired) at the same time. I was hoping to get 500 to 800 psi out of the auger. I don't know how tight a grain auger is but mine is tight inside its housing (6" PVC pipe for a test). Also I don't understand parts of Clair's statement "when you press you have to let the mix drain off for at least 6 hrs
> > then you can press quite fast and remove them from the press by hand." Are you letting your mixed slurry sit for 6 hours in the tow mixer or in a hopper? Is it draining off water while it sits there?
> >
> > I have the auger off the posthole apparatus, the box is half built (I decided to use plywood first as a test) and I am looking for bearings, pulleys, and engine. I was going to mount my auger horizontal so it just pushes out the compressed extrusion horizontally to cut on a rolling slab/conveyor/ table.
> >
> > Maybe I need to re-think. I was assuming if they can generate these huge pressures with augers for plastic molds it would be possible with PC.
> >
> > Ron
> >
>



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[papercreters] Re: Recipe Ratios

Hi Ron yes you have to let it drain off for 6 hrs in a hopper,for your application i would just get a big hyd ram.The flights on the grain auger are to light for extrusion molding.The slurry will auger before you drain it off but will need a convayor to move it after that.
Clair.


--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Ron Richter <ronerichter@...> wrote:
>
> You are right of course. I hadn't planned on giving up the idea, I may need to have a custom made auger build to really pressurize the slurry. Instead of a parallel sided axle to which the blade is attached, a custom made one could have a large initial volume then have the axle expand larger toward the ouput end to "put the squeeze to it". This is good since the outside of the blades will remain parallel to fit inside a pipe.
>
> I mentioned I left my camera cable in Alaska so I can't transfer pictures right now. Maybe I'll borrow someone's camera that I can hook up to the computer.
>
> I'm building the hot house with a pallet floor today. I need to drill lightening holes in the wood slats on the pallets to allow more air/drainage to occur.
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: slurryguy <slurryguy@...>
> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:11:35 AM
> Subject: [papercreters] Re: Recipe Ratios
>
>
>
>
>
> You have a very interesting idea, Ron.
>
> I wouldn't just give up on it unless you are convinced you have come up with a better idea. I don't know for certain that it will work well, but I encourage you to experiment enough with it that you can fully understand the capabilities of your extrusion method. Remember, no experiment is a failure if you LEARN FROM IT.
>
> PICTURES!!!? ???
>
> How about pictures of the parts and equipment you have so far and maybe a crude drawing of what you are thinking?
>
> --- In papercreters@ yahoogroups. com, Ron Richter <ronerichter@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Slurryguy & Clair,
> > I wish we had had this discussion a month ago. I figured with Barry Fuller wanting 25,000 for a press and me needing one I could build one for a lot less. Bob Criswell and I emailed back and forth a couple of times, and talked of design issues but I went another direction when I took a stroll in the "back 40".
> >
> > I found an old posthole auger that you would mount on a 3 point hitch and drive from the PTO off a tractor. It is 6" diameter and 3 feet long and I figured it would be perfect to put in a pipe and push slurry into a box full of holes (for drainage) that slowly constricts (to build pressure) into the final shape of the wanted brick. This would create an extrusion of compressed PC and then one could have a hydraulic press (or a hand saw) that cuts it to length and put holes in the brick (if desired) at the same time. I was hoping to get 500 to 800 psi out of the auger. I don't know how tight a grain auger is but mine is tight inside its housing (6" PVC pipe for a test). Also I don't understand parts of Clair's statement "when you press you have to let the mix drain off for at least 6 hrs
> > then you can press quite fast and remove them from the press by hand." Are you letting your mixed slurry sit for 6 hours in the tow mixer or in a hopper? Is it draining off water while it sits there?
> >
> > I have the auger off the posthole apparatus, the box is half built (I decided to use plywood first as a test) and I am looking for bearings, pulleys, and engine. I was going to mount my auger horizontal so it just pushes out the compressed extrusion horizontally to cut on a rolling slab/conveyor/ table.
> >
> > Maybe I need to re-think. I was assuming if they can generate these huge pressures with augers for plastic molds it would be possible with PC.
> >
> > Ron
> >
>


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[papercreters] Re: Hog ring gun

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Janoahsh" <janoahsh@...> wrote:
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> Can anyone direct me to a good used pneumatic hog ring gun for sale?
>
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I have 3 hog ring guns I just posted 1 of them on ebay sat. 6-27-09.
I tried to send you a message sat. but i don't know if you got it let me know I can send pics. of other guns if you like 1 of them is used.

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Friday, June 26, 2009

[papercreters] Re: Kitty litter -- AVOID USED LITTER

On a related point, this has been mentioned before here, but it is worth mentioning again.

I'm all for recycling, but please be aware that playing around with USED cat litter can be hazardous.

Who knows what effects large volumes of litter embedded in the walls of a house might have? Even for people who do not anticipate a pregnancy in their future, could large volumes of used cat litter in a house affect anyone over time? What about a pregnant visitor? I know I wouldn't have a peaceful night's sleep for years if a friend visited me and then had problems with their pregnancy.

Considering that there are many other options available, and the poorly understood risks in this particular application, I encourage all papercrete enthusiasts to avoid used cat litter.


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[papercreters] Re: paper as stucco

Uh, if you don't mind my asking, what's so new about it? There are other people using (modified?) stucco sprayers for PC, and several people on this list have posted pictures on how to make PC-specific sprayers.

==>paul


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> Check this out..we have invented a new process to apply paper as a stucco.This was 14 month project of tests and product runs,and are currently building a press that operates on a gas built or electric system for the blocks on a medium scale. We have a video on you tube, greenblocks is the look up for it. One video is better than the other.We will have more coming on other ideas. If you would like to drop us a line at greenblocks.org or email me at mike@... please do so.Thanks so much for having this group up and running, as would of been doing this next. Our site is new..but keep checking it out as we will be posting new stuff every week...oh yea...almost forgot...we are putting together a pond made out of paper..and it will be solar run. Man those fish sure will be happy!! I hope this is not considered spam? As we are just trying to educate all on this matter! Thank you.
>
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[papercreters] Re: Kitty litter

As the other reply said, these are mostly bentonite. Bentonite would be a poor choice. It is used because it soaks up a lot of water. This would greatly add to the drying time. It also is used to plug leaks in ponds and to seal wells. It is used for these because it swells up when it soaks up water. That also means that it shrinks and cracks when it dries.

==>paul


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> What would happen if I added Speedy Dry or Kitty Litter to my mix, maybe in stead of cement? Has anyone tried this? Does it dissolve in water? Just curious.
>
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