Monday, September 1, 2014

[papercreters] Shrinkage factor



I'm excited about putting UP a post & beam structure approx 17 X 12 ft. which will include a porch deck.( my new CLAY studio !! )    I*'m plan to frame it our w/ 24 " between  2" X 4" post & larger corner post.  I'm thinking of using papercrete infill between perhaps 1 X 12 tagged on across the beams. horazontally .. & then pour papercrete in the form.  I'm thinking of putting nails / screws in the beams to secure it due to shrinkage.  ( And then fill cracks after drying.) and then .. of course work my way UP each day... to the top.  Expectations on shrinkage.  I hear that more cement will lessen the shrinkage.  Any other tips ?  I probably won't actually start this infix until next spring ... as the season will soon change.  ( N CA )  


           THANKS in advance for any tips or suggested formulas.  The mix I know be 85% pulp... 10 % earth, 5 % portland cement. 


                       In appreciation,  Sir Glenneth- from " the land of Cobb "





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Posted by: glenneth@TheFINE-ARTcafe.org



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Saturday, August 30, 2014

Re: Re: [papercreters] Brand new



  I suggest the lady check out the Tiny House info - http://tinyhousetalk.com/
There are lots of good ideas for inexpensive small homes, some of which can be moved to another location if needed.  Papercrete could be used in some of these plans for insulation as spaceman suggests. Depending on availability, she might also consider using a used shipping container as a sturdy component.  They need good insulation in most climates where papercrete panels could also work.  Lots of info on the web (e.g. http://www.tincancabin.com/how-to-build/)
 
 
 
Tom Hay, Ph.D.
A2B Research and Development, LLC
703/672-6033 (internet phone)
tomhay@verizon.net
 
On 08/30/14, spaceman Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net [papercreters]<papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 


On 8/29/2014 10:12 PM, checkyourbrakes2@yahoo.com [papercreters] wrote:
Hi all!  I'm brand new to yahoo groups in general and this page and papercrete in particular.  I've been offered an opportunity to rent on an acre of land.  I'm excited, and want to take the offer, but must come up with a housing plan.  I am a single mom and part time student.  Do you think it's possible to get a tiny house built before mid October? (when it usually starts getting cold here)
Single mom and part time student - sounds like your plate is pretty full. While it is possible to get a tiny house built by mid-October, it won't be dry or ready for sealing. "Possible" with lots of labor. Papercrete is labor intensive. You can prevent some of the physical labor by buying expensive equipment like a real trash rated pump and a good mixer. You need a ready source of paper, lots of it.

If I need something to hold me through the winter.  Would papercreting the inside of a used shed (made of plywood) prevent the off gassing of formaldehyde from the walls? and get us through the winter?  There are plenty of sheds for sale for $250-1000.  What would it cost, approximately, to cover the internal walls with papercrete?  Would it still be safe to use a wood burning stove?
Papercrete is not a vapor barrier and will do nothing to prevent off-gassing by plywood. A used shed should have already lost most of the formaldehyde but you still would want a barrier. If you have access to a tow mixer and plenty of paper it would probably be easier to start from scratch, form some papercrete walls and then put a shed roof on it, covered with papercrete.

How do I find out how people start their walls?
Here's one way - molded panels placed on a frame. For a shed you could mold large thin panels, maybe 4'x4'x4", and screw them to the walls.
http://starship-enterprises.net/Paperdome/

Another way is to make slip forms and mold the walls into place. This gives a tighter seal and turns out to be less work overall.
http://starship-enterprises.net/spraywasher/Index.html


I know this is a lot of questions in one.  Sorry for that.  I'm looking forward to the words of those wiser than myself.  Thank you!
You came to the right place for questions :) Ask all you want. It has been kinda dead around here lately and we can use the stimulation.



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Re: [papercreters] Brand new




On 8/29/2014 10:12 PM, checkyourbrakes2@yahoo.com [papercreters] wrote:
Hi all!  I'm brand new to yahoo groups in general and this page and papercrete in particular.  I've been offered an opportunity to rent on an acre of land.  I'm excited, and want to take the offer, but must come up with a housing plan.  I am a single mom and part time student.  Do you think it's possible to get a tiny house built before mid October? (when it usually starts getting cold here)
Single mom and part time student - sounds like your plate is pretty full. While it is possible to get a tiny house built by mid-October, it won't be dry or ready for sealing. "Possible" with lots of labor. Papercrete is labor intensive. You can prevent some of the physical labor by buying expensive equipment like a real trash rated pump and a good mixer. You need a ready source of paper, lots of it.

If I need something to hold me through the winter.  Would papercreting the inside of a used shed (made of plywood) prevent the off gassing of formaldehyde from the walls? and get us through the winter?  There are plenty of sheds for sale for $250-1000.  What would it cost, approximately, to cover the internal walls with papercrete?  Would it still be safe to use a wood burning stove?
Papercrete is not a vapor barrier and will do nothing to prevent off-gassing by plywood. A used shed should have already lost most of the formaldehyde but you still would want a barrier. If you have access to a tow mixer and plenty of paper it would probably be easier to start from scratch, form some papercrete walls and then put a shed roof on it, covered with papercrete.

How do I find out how people start their walls?
Here's one way - molded panels placed on a frame. For a shed you could mold large thin panels, maybe 4'x4'x4", and screw them to the walls.
http://starship-enterprises.net/Paperdome/

Another way is to make slip forms and mold the walls into place. This gives a tighter seal and turns out to be less work overall.
http://starship-enterprises.net/spraywasher/Index.html


I know this is a lot of questions in one.  Sorry for that.  I'm looking forward to the words of those wiser than myself.  Thank you!
You came to the right place for questions :) Ask all you want. It has been kinda dead around here lately and we can use the stimulation.



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Posted by: spaceman <spaceman@starship-enterprises.net>



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Re: [papercreters] Brand new



I'm pretty useless but the pros who will be along later would be better equipped to provide answers if you disclose your general location. How cold it gets and humidity levels have a huge impact on drying time.
There may also be someone in your area who would let you come around to help/learn.


Good luck.


On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:12 PM, checkyourbrakes2@yahoo.com [papercreters] <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi all!  I'm brand new to yahoo groups in general and this page and papercrete in particular.  I've been offered an opportunity to rent on an acre of land.  I'm excited, and want to take the offer, but must come up with a housing plan.  I am a single mom and part time student.  Do you think it's possible to get a tiny house built before mid October? (when it usually starts getting cold here)

If I need something to hold me through the winter.  Would papercreting the inside of a used shed (made of plywood) prevent the off gassing of formaldehyde from the walls? and get us through the winter?  There are plenty of sheds for sale for $250-1000.  What would it cost, approximately, to cover the internal walls with papercrete?  Would it still be safe to use a wood burning stove?

How do I find out how people start their walls?

I know this is a lot of questions in one.  Sorry for that.  I'm looking forward to the words of those wiser than myself.  Thank you!





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Posted by: David Jungeblut <freightlimo@gmail.com>



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Friday, August 29, 2014

[papercreters] Brand new



Hi all!  I'm brand new to yahoo groups in general and this page and papercrete in particular.  I've been offered an opportunity to rent on an acre of land.  I'm excited, and want to take the offer, but must come up with a housing plan.  I am a single mom and part time student.  Do you think it's possible to get a tiny house built before mid October? (when it usually starts getting cold here)

If I need something to hold me through the winter.  Would papercreting the inside of a used shed (made of plywood) prevent the off gassing of formaldehyde from the walls? and get us through the winter?  There are plenty of sheds for sale for $250-1000.  What would it cost, approximately, to cover the internal walls with papercrete?  Would it still be safe to use a wood burning stove?

How do I find out how people start their walls?

I know this is a lot of questions in one.  Sorry for that.  I'm looking forward to the words of those wiser than myself.  Thank you!




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Posted by: checkyourbrakes2@yahoo.com



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Thursday, August 28, 2014

Re: [papercreters] Please help me




If you have a good source of paper and cement you can build as large a house as you want. It is best to keep houses small if you can, only large enough to serve their purpose. You could make your blocks trapezoidal for a round wall, like a ger, and use a reciprocal roof or a traditional roof.

spaceman
starship-enterprises.net/Domes/DomeHouse/DomeHouse%20Home.html

On 8/28/2014 5:34 AM, tsogtoo21@yahoo.com [papercreters] wrote:

Hi, I am Erdenetsogt, from Mongolia. I want to start small business to make papercrete blocks. It's really environmentally friendly technology. I need your help that what's best way to start it. Is it possible to build houses or what size of house it can be used to construct? Do you have any business plan or procedures?

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Posted by: spaceman <spaceman@starship-enterprises.net>



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[papercreters] Please help me



Hi, I am Erdenetsogt, from Mongolia. I want to start small business to make papercrete blocks. It's really environmentally friendly technology. I need your help that what's best way to start it. Is it possible to build houses or what size of house it can be used to construct? Do you have any business plan or procedures?



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Posted by: tsogtoo21@yahoo.com



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