Friday, September 19, 2014

[papercreters] Re: papercrete costs and coatings



Have you actually cast one of these yet?

I see some potential issues --

* The grid positive board. No draft angle on the individual squares. You might have problems getting it off the mold otherwise.

* Unless you are going to add a polyfiber admixture I don't know if this will hold together. Papercrete is a pretty brittle product in small cross sections.

Just some thoughts.


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Posted by: john mcginnis <maruadventurer@gmail.com>



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Thursday, September 18, 2014

[papercreters] papercrete costs and coatings



I am designing a project that uses papercrete.  I read that someone was making papercrete for 8.7 cents per cubic foot, which sounds a little on the low side to me.

I would appreciate it if the members here could post their own costs for comparison.

I would also appreciate any thoughts on low cost sealer coatings for ground contact areas, and any general thoughts on the application of papercrete in the project.  Project links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgvNcYuBYJI

Early 4 place pallet design

 






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Posted by: terrafarminggenius@yahoo.com



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Friday, September 12, 2014

Re: [papercreters] Brand new



I'm in south central Michigan.

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Posted by: checkyourbrakes2@yahoo.com



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Tuesday, September 9, 2014

Re: [papercreters] Tow Mixer



I live in San Angelo and I am currently working on a project to build a home out of Mason GreenStar Blox and some homemade mix of my own.
I would love to talk with you about papercrete and such.

Richard Schneider
San Angelo, Texas
325-655-7873


From: "Adobedobie adobedobie@yahoo.com [papercreters]" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>
To: "papercreters@yahoogroups.com" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Tow Mixer [3 Attachments]

 
[Attachment(s) from Adobedobie included below]
I live just outside of San Angelo Tx. I have a tow mixer which I built about 7 or 8 years ago. At the time I had great expectations but since, they have cooled. I made 2 batches of blocks and the mixer works very good.  I would be willing to sell it for $500. If you are interested, let me know.
 
Dave Jonas Sr.

P.O. Box 392
10233 N Burma Loop
Carlsbad, TX 76934

325-656-9417


On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 10:22 PM, "michael joyce mojojoyce@yahoo.com [papercreters]" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




Dear Murry,  Thanks for the gift card.  I would probably sell it for 800$ because I can make another one with parts.  There is a lot put into a mixer.  I still dream of making slurry but can get the time right now.   Mike


On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:48 AM, "murry.holley@yahoo.com [papercreters]" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




Greetings:)
Hi this is Murry from San Marcos TX. I am about to start a project that will require about 75 cuyds of Hybrid -Adobe for walls and maybe an additional 40 cuyds of papercrete for the roof.If at all possible I would like to purchase or lease a tow mixer that  is already built in lieu of starting from scratch. 

If anyone can help it is greatly appreciated.

Thanks and best wishes
Murry












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Posted by: Richard Schneider <astounded_and_amazed@yahoo.com>



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Monday, September 8, 2014

Re: [papercreters] Tow Mixer [3 Attachments]

[Attachment(s) from Adobedobie included below]

I live just outside of San Angelo Tx. I have a tow mixer which I built about 7 or 8 years ago. At the time I had great expectations but since, they have cooled. I made 2 batches of blocks and the mixer works very good.  I would be willing to sell it for $500. If you are interested, let me know.
 
Dave Jonas Sr.

P.O. Box 392
10233 N Burma Loop
Carlsbad, TX 76934

325-656-9417


On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 10:22 PM, "michael joyce mojojoyce@yahoo.com [papercreters]" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




Dear Murry,  Thanks for the gift card.  I would probably sell it for 800$ because I can make another one with parts.  There is a lot put into a mixer.  I still dream of making slurry but can get the time right now.   Mike


On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:48 AM, "murry.holley@yahoo.com [papercreters]" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




Greetings:)
Hi this is Murry from San Marcos TX. I am about to start a project that will require about 75 cuyds of Hybrid -Adobe for walls and maybe an additional 40 cuyds of papercrete for the roof.If at all possible I would like to purchase or lease a tow mixer that  is already built in lieu of starting from scratch. 

If anyone can help it is greatly appreciated.

Thanks and best wishes
Murry










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Posted by: Adobedobie <adobedobie@yahoo.com>



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Monday, September 1, 2014

[papercreters] Shrinkage factor



I'm excited about putting UP a post & beam structure approx 17 X 12 ft. which will include a porch deck.( my new CLAY studio !! )    I*'m plan to frame it our w/ 24 " between  2" X 4" post & larger corner post.  I'm thinking of using papercrete infill between perhaps 1 X 12 tagged on across the beams. horazontally .. & then pour papercrete in the form.  I'm thinking of putting nails / screws in the beams to secure it due to shrinkage.  ( And then fill cracks after drying.) and then .. of course work my way UP each day... to the top.  Expectations on shrinkage.  I hear that more cement will lessen the shrinkage.  Any other tips ?  I probably won't actually start this infix until next spring ... as the season will soon change.  ( N CA )  


           THANKS in advance for any tips or suggested formulas.  The mix I know be 85% pulp... 10 % earth, 5 % portland cement. 


                       In appreciation,  Sir Glenneth- from " the land of Cobb "





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Posted by: glenneth@TheFINE-ARTcafe.org



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Saturday, August 30, 2014

Re: Re: [papercreters] Brand new



  I suggest the lady check out the Tiny House info - http://tinyhousetalk.com/
There are lots of good ideas for inexpensive small homes, some of which can be moved to another location if needed.  Papercrete could be used in some of these plans for insulation as spaceman suggests. Depending on availability, she might also consider using a used shipping container as a sturdy component.  They need good insulation in most climates where papercrete panels could also work.  Lots of info on the web (e.g. http://www.tincancabin.com/how-to-build/)
 
 
 
Tom Hay, Ph.D.
A2B Research and Development, LLC
703/672-6033 (internet phone)
tomhay@verizon.net
 
On 08/30/14, spaceman Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net [papercreters]<papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 


On 8/29/2014 10:12 PM, checkyourbrakes2@yahoo.com [papercreters] wrote:
Hi all!  I'm brand new to yahoo groups in general and this page and papercrete in particular.  I've been offered an opportunity to rent on an acre of land.  I'm excited, and want to take the offer, but must come up with a housing plan.  I am a single mom and part time student.  Do you think it's possible to get a tiny house built before mid October? (when it usually starts getting cold here)
Single mom and part time student - sounds like your plate is pretty full. While it is possible to get a tiny house built by mid-October, it won't be dry or ready for sealing. "Possible" with lots of labor. Papercrete is labor intensive. You can prevent some of the physical labor by buying expensive equipment like a real trash rated pump and a good mixer. You need a ready source of paper, lots of it.

If I need something to hold me through the winter.  Would papercreting the inside of a used shed (made of plywood) prevent the off gassing of formaldehyde from the walls? and get us through the winter?  There are plenty of sheds for sale for $250-1000.  What would it cost, approximately, to cover the internal walls with papercrete?  Would it still be safe to use a wood burning stove?
Papercrete is not a vapor barrier and will do nothing to prevent off-gassing by plywood. A used shed should have already lost most of the formaldehyde but you still would want a barrier. If you have access to a tow mixer and plenty of paper it would probably be easier to start from scratch, form some papercrete walls and then put a shed roof on it, covered with papercrete.

How do I find out how people start their walls?
Here's one way - molded panels placed on a frame. For a shed you could mold large thin panels, maybe 4'x4'x4", and screw them to the walls.
http://starship-enterprises.net/Paperdome/

Another way is to make slip forms and mold the walls into place. This gives a tighter seal and turns out to be less work overall.
http://starship-enterprises.net/spraywasher/Index.html


I know this is a lot of questions in one.  Sorry for that.  I'm looking forward to the words of those wiser than myself.  Thank you!
You came to the right place for questions :) Ask all you want. It has been kinda dead around here lately and we can use the stimulation.



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Posted by: Tom Hay <tomhay@verizon.net>



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