Sunday, February 28, 2010

[papercreters] ARTICLE: My year of living without money -Freeconomy blog

A UK dude decided to trade labor to live on an organic farm and got
a free trailer, a laptop, and existed by trading, salvaging,
bartering, diving , with no money art all.

The comments about this are more interesting than his blog.
i am NOT in favor of everyone doing as he did, cause then you'd need
the 'consuming world" to keep spending so you can live off the
leftovers and waste.

But there are so many conventional behaving people that even in my
small & remote coastal town you can live off of the 'excess' easily.

What I most got out of this is how to live well by NOT spending money
right away, but trying other options before sending cash out the
door.

Personally, outside of buying my food and new nails &screws, I
pretend I DONT have the cash, and see how I can get what I need.
Pretty much I have way more than I need in all areas of material
things- from building wood to clothing and kitchen gear.
I am not a gardener yet, or Id be saving money on groceries too.

His blog does not address medicine, health costs, feeding a family,
or housing them, but he does show how it can be done with just a
little 'outside the box' thinking.

Our local freecycle is used daily and 4200 people here are finding
what they need. Craigslist is another source to find, and get rid of
'stuff'.

ARTICLE: My year of living without money
Is it possible to live without spending any cash whatsoever? After
becoming disillusioned with consumer society, one man decided to give
it a try
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/09/mark-boyle-money

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/green-living-blog/2009/oct/28/live-without-money
I live without cash – and I manage just fine

http://www.justfortheloveofit.org/philosofree


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Saturday, February 27, 2010

[papercreters] Re: Minimising shrink

Hi

Maybe I should have been clearer: the plan is to place the slurry into a watertight mould, and once the cement has set to green stage demould it. This should reduce the slump that occurs before the cement sets.


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Re: [papercreters] Re: Minimising shrink



http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:k6mXzCdkm_UJ:www.iprf.org/products/IPRF%252001-4%25202%2520Clay%2520Dispersion%2520Final%2520Report.pdf+effect+o+clay+in+concrete&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
says that clay reduces strength and increases shrinkage. I have also read that because clay expands when it absorbs water, it causes spalling and cracking of concrete. More than one website said that the clay tends to coat the cement particles and blocks hydration water, making a weaker final product.

I'm certainly no concrete expert, and papercrete is not concrete, so YMMV. As I have said before, I don't put any dirt into my pc, never saw a reason to. Sand/clay will make your final product heavier and reduce the insulation value. It may increase the compression strength but I have found my mix to be plenty strong for my purposes. Water, paper, portland cement, borax are my usual ingredients. Proportions vary depending on the intended use.

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what would be the effect of mixing clay and portland cement? I've seen a recipe 60 paper 10 clay 10 cement 10 lime 10 sand that seemed nice...

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Friday, February 26, 2010

Re: [papercreters] Re: Minimising shrink



A watertight mold will give you papercrete that will take an exceedingly long time to dry, if it ever does. Papercrete is not anything like concrete and does more of a dry and cure thing than setting like concrete. After it dries thoroughly, you need to keep it dry because it will reabsorb water.

Since I don't put sand or dirt in my papercrete I can't recommend how much, but have read of people putting quite a bit in, often more than the paper and cement.

spaceman

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Hi   I plan to use sand - we really have nothing on site, there isnt the space to harvest anything here. How much sand would be needed to stop the deformation that's usual with building blocks though, I fear it might need a lot of sand. If everything shrank uniformly without deformation I'd be happy, but I've not seen an example of that happen yet.  When I've got the new moulds done I hope to try an assortment of new mixes, see if I can get somewhere. One approach I'm hoping to try is to use a watertight mould so no drainage occurs until the cement's set.   Thanks, NT     ------------------------------------  Yahoo! Groups Links  <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/  <*> Your email settings:     Individual Email | Traditional  <*> To change settings online go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/join     (Yahoo! ID required)  <*> To change settings via email:     papercreters-digest@yahoogroups.com      papercreters-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com  <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:     papercreters-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com  <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:     http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/   
 
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[papercreters] Re: Minimising shrink

Hi


I plan to use sand - we really have nothing on site, there isnt the space to harvest anything here. How much sand would be needed to stop the deformation that's usual with building blocks though, I fear it might need a lot of sand. If everything shrank uniformly without deformation I'd be happy, but I've not seen an example of that happen yet.

When I've got the new moulds done I hope to try an assortment of new mixes, see if I can get somewhere. One approach I'm hoping to try is to use a watertight mould so no drainage occurs until the cement's set.


Thanks, NT


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Re: [papercreters] Minimising shrink



Clay is for padobe. Clay and portland cement don't get along well. Do you have sand on site? It will minimize shrinkage and will not swell when wet like clay does.

Another approach, which I use, is to just oversize everything to allow for the shrinkage. Once you get your mix defined, you can measure the amount of shrink and keep it consistent. Similar to what you do with pottery or metal casting.

spaceman

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Hi everyone   I'm new to the group, and have read the last month's postings with interest, and found lots of useful tidbits.  I'm looking to minimise shrinkage of papercrete so I can use it to replicate shapes. I see adding clay helps, but for reasons that are a mystery to me, clay seems rather expensive to buy, and I cant harvest it on site. I want to avoid a high price mix if possible, and probably all the ingredients will need to be bought in.  In principle I could compress the stuff to prevent shrink, but I presume that would greatly slow down production rate. So in summary I want it all and preferably for nothing! If anyone has tips on minimising shrink I'd love to hear.   thanks, NT     ------------------------------------  Yahoo! Groups Links  <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/  <*> Your email settings:     Individual Email | Traditional  <*> To change settings online go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/join     (Yahoo! ID required)  <*> To change settings via email:     papercreters-digest@yahoogroups.com      papercreters-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com  <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:     papercreters-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com  <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:     http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/   
 
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[papercreters] Minimising shrink

Hi everyone


I'm new to the group, and have read the last month's postings with interest, and found lots of useful tidbits.

I'm looking to minimise shrinkage of papercrete so I can use it to replicate shapes. I see adding clay helps, but for reasons that are a mystery to me, clay seems rather expensive to buy, and I cant harvest it on site. I want to avoid a high price mix if possible, and probably all the ingredients will need to be bought in.

In principle I could compress the stuff to prevent shrink, but I presume that would greatly slow down production rate. So in summary I want it all and preferably for nothing! If anyone has tips on minimising shrink I'd love to hear.


thanks, NT


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Wednesday, February 24, 2010

[papercreters] Re: Chicken Coop, Animal Shelters

but wouldn't habañerocrete be flammable? spaceman wrote

Only if you put it in your mouth!

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Tuesday, February 23, 2010

Re: [papercreters] Re: Chicken Coop, Animal Shelters



but wouldn't habañerocrete be flammable?


Pat B Parham wrote:

If you all hot pepper to the final coat most animals will not eat and some insects will not like also.

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From: TerryW <blazingsaddles@frontiernet.net>
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Chicken Coop, Animal Shelters
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 10:34 AM

 
I haven't seen any horses, chickens, or goats eating stuccoed walls.
 
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If you all hot pepper to the final coat most animals will not eat and some insects will not like also.

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Subject: [papercreters] Re: Chicken Coop, Animal Shelters
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Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 10:34 AM

 
I haven't seen any horses, chickens, or goats eating stuccoed walls.
 
Terry



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I haven't seen any horses, chickens, or goats eating stuccoed walls.
 
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Monday, February 22, 2010

RE: [papercreters] Re: Chicken Coop, Animal Shelters



not if you like the looks of chewed stucco

 
 



 



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Subject: [papercreters] Re: Chicken Coop, Animal Shelters

 
Animal chewing shouldn't be a problem if the papercrete is stuccoed.  Right? 




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Animal chewing shouldn't be a problem if the papercrete is stuccoed.  Right? 


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Sunday, February 21, 2010

Re: [papercreters] Chicken Coop, Animal Shelters



I made a papercrete doghouse, dome shaped, about ten years ago. My dogs didn't like it, I think because it was too quiet inside and they couldn't hear what was going on. To be fair, they never did like any doghouse, preferring to sleep under the open sky.

Any animal that chews their pen, like horses or goats, would probably make short order of demolishing a papercrete shelter.

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We are new to papercrete and want to know if anyone has any experience using it for animal shelters.

Jerry & Ruth Ann Landis

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Saturday, February 20, 2010

[papercreters] papercrete in boxes, sacks

I have been thinking more on the use of cardboard boxes, as far as
getting more of them in the right shape. I said I have been using
them for years for sample blocks, and to make wall infill blocks. I
also used a long U shaped metal rack from a drugstore as a "form" I
lined the 4' long metal rack with newspaper, stuck a short piece of
wood at each end, and poured in the papercrete mix to sun cure. as
it got to the green ( almost dry) stage I used a big drywall compound
trowel to "slice" up the block into the size I needed for inserting
in between 2x4s in my studio remodel.

here is a pic of my system http://www.dirtcheapbuilder.com/dicd.html

it is smaller than I like- but you can see the sliced blocks, and the
yellow handle drywall trowel. a big knife can be used to cut up the
block too.

This worked great, and you can cut the blocks to fit the size of the
space. I was using small boxes from the local Joann's Fabric, which
sells many items and arts/crafts.. so they throw away boxes in all
sizes all the time,

I was also thinking that shoe boxes are perfect brick side for the
lodge stone look.

so by checking out a few stores and asking to take away their
cardboard you can make your own forms cheap and easy.

but if you need a special look then getting some plywood scrap and
building 4-10 basic shapes ( say 4 small, 3, large, 3 medium, then
just oiling and reusing each form over and over until you have all
your blocks for the project is a time saver too. especially if you
cant get the same size cardboard boxes all the time the simple way of
making 4 sided form boxes, with a latch and a hinge on a long side,
lets you "open" and lift off the form, and make another block right
away(a few days) till cured- and lift off and let dry til cured.

another option is to make a large wood form, and place notches in the
frame wall, then slide in more ply to make a grid, and pour a gang
form of blocks at once, or slice up as you go.

or go smaller and buy some cheap plastic 'box' shapes at the dollar
store, oil them and poke a few holes for air drying, and pop out the
semidry bricks and reuse.

Lastly Sean Sands used canvas sacks laid in between two long 2x6
planks, and laid in a full sack, tamped it flat in between those 2
planks to keep the same shape for all, and let cure, then removed the
sack and reused. it make a nice round edge brick shape too.
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Friday, February 19, 2010

[papercreters] Re:Gorgeous use of papercrete blocks



Be sure to click on
 
 
at the end of the article,  LOTS more pictures there.  No info is given, sure would like to know their mix ratios, says they're using pulped paper, clay, & cement. 
 
The wall really looks nice, looks like sandstone blocks.  Thanks for the link!
 
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Dear Charmin,
Thanks for the link.
If you wish to see the student's videos explaining the project, go to the following link
http://bartlettyear1architecture.blogspot.com/2010/02/bartlett-year-1-students-explaining_1010.html
Regards
Ashok
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>
> I found this site from the UK-- besides the gorgeous block wall I
> laughed to see they did it with using cardboard boxes!! hundreds of
> cardboard boxes to make the shapes.
>
> I have been using cardboard for ages to make precast blocks, but I
> admit I did not have the vision to make a 'beauty wall' like this--
> not structural, but as a draft or wind break wall, it is stunning to
> see how pretty this is.
>
> the house looks like wood walls, but the use of the blocks really
> makes the design.
> http://bartlettyear1architecture.blogspot.com/2010/02/rural-studio-christine-papercrete-house.html
>
>
> I have not explored the description, if ther is one..but this design
> is often called "London brick", or "lodge stone"-- big and small
> rectangles of 'stone' usually cement based. these blocks look more
> like clay and paper than all cement based on the color. in any case
> they look good, anyone agree? get any ideas from this for a privacy
> wall? well protected overhangs as you can see, but really nice use
> of the ruggedness of the cast block.
>
> --
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> http://www.dirtcheapbuilder.com
> http://www.amazon.com/shops/humboldtcoast
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> Order books: Tel: 406-287-3605 for Tom Elpel
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[papercreters] Re: Gorgeous use of papercrete blocks

Excellent info - - - the walls not only look great but as well look to be very good acoustically too. I really like the staggered "Lodge Stone" that has the look of real craftsman / artisan work and not like the uniformed blah blah blocks that are pumped out by the mills.

The use of cardboard boxes is ingenious - this time the thinking is not out of the box - but in the box !

Great looking craftmanship, high R-value, sound absorbing too.

The "looks expensive but it's not" is one of the most hard to achieve things in building. Kudos too all who came up with these great ideas on this Thesis Project !!

Cheers to All

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Charmaine Taylor <dirtcheapbuilderbooks@...> wrote:
>
> I found this site from the UK-- besides the gorgeous block wall I
> laughed to see they did it with using cardboard boxes!! hundreds of
> cardboard boxes to make the shapes.
>
> I have been using cardboard for ages to make precast blocks, but I
> admit I did not have the vision to make a 'beauty wall' like this--
> not structural, but as a draft or wind break wall, it is stunning to
> see how pretty this is.
>
> the house looks like wood walls, but the use of the blocks really
> makes the design.
> http://bartlettyear1architecture.blogspot.com/2010/02/rural-studio-christine-papercrete-house.html
>
>
> I have not explored the description, if ther is one..but this design
> is often called "London brick", or "lodge stone"-- big and small
> rectangles of 'stone' usually cement based. these blocks look more
> like clay and paper than all cement based on the color. in any case
> they look good, anyone agree? get any ideas from this for a privacy
> wall? well protected overhangs as you can see, but really nice use
> of the ruggedness of the cast block.
>
> --
> Charmaine Taylor Publishing
> http://www.dirtcheapbuilder.com
> http://www.amazon.com/shops/humboldtcoast
> Search Amazon.com books for "Modern Pise"
> Order books: Tel: 406-287-3605 for Tom Elpel
>


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Thursday, February 18, 2010

RE: [papercreters] Gorgeous use of papercrete blocks



Yes very beautiful! Thank you so much.

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> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> From: dirtcheapbuilderbooks@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 02:09:01 -0800
> Subject: [papercreters] Gorgeous use of papercrete blocks
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> I found this site from the UK-- besides the gorgeous block wall I
> laughed to see they did it with using cardboard boxes!! hundreds of
> cardboard boxes to make the shapes.
>
> I have been using cardboard for ages to make precast blocks, but I
> admit I did not have the vision to make a 'beauty wall' like this--
> not structural, but as a draft or wind break wall, it is stunning to
> see how pretty this is.
>
> the house looks like wood walls, but the use of the blocks really
> makes the design.
> http://bartlettyear1architecture.blogspot.com/2010/02/rural-studio-christine-papercrete-house.html
>
>
> I have not explored the description, if ther is one..but this design
> is often called "London brick", or "lodge stone"-- big and small
> rectangles of 'stone' usually cement based. these blocks look more
> like clay and paper than all cement based on the color. in any case
> they look good, anyone agree? get any ideas from this for a privacy
> wall? well protected overhangs as you can see, but really nice use
> of the ruggedness of the cast block.
>
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[papercreters] Gorgeous use of papercrete blocks

I found this site from the UK-- besides the gorgeous block wall I
laughed to see they did it with using cardboard boxes!! hundreds of
cardboard boxes to make the shapes.

I have been using cardboard for ages to make precast blocks, but I
admit I did not have the vision to make a 'beauty wall' like this--
not structural, but as a draft or wind break wall, it is stunning to
see how pretty this is.

the house looks like wood walls, but the use of the blocks really
makes the design.
http://bartlettyear1architecture.blogspot.com/2010/02/rural-studio-christine-papercrete-house.html


I have not explored the description, if ther is one..but this design
is often called "London brick", or "lodge stone"-- big and small
rectangles of 'stone' usually cement based. these blocks look more
like clay and paper than all cement based on the color. in any case
they look good, anyone agree? get any ideas from this for a privacy
wall? well protected overhangs as you can see, but really nice use
of the ruggedness of the cast block.

--
Charmaine Taylor Publishing
http://www.dirtcheapbuilder.com
http://www.amazon.com/shops/humboldtcoast
Search Amazon.com books for "Modern Pise"
Order books: Tel: 406-287-3605 for Tom Elpel


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Tuesday, February 16, 2010

Re: [papercreters] Re: Mixer fixer was/Controversy



Thanks


From: Spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:58:07 -0700
To: <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Mixer fixer was/Controversy

 

that's one of the cases where there is no forgiveness, which is why I qualified that with "many cases"

valledecalle@yahoo.com wrote:

What about the guy in England that now has to tear his house down?
Calle
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:01:14 -0700
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Mixer fixer was/Controversy

 

easier to get forgiveness than permission in many cases



countryatheartok wrote:

I think that is the way to go, most people who ask permission to do something often get discouraged when what they want to do comes with all kinds of strings attached. Those who just do it before asking often get by with it because nobody knows that they did it. (make sense?)  I say go for it, get it done as fast as possible and if nobody knows or finds out your home free, and nobody will be the wiser.    
  
 
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Re: [papercreters] Re: Mixer fixer was/Controversy



that's one of the cases where there is no forgiveness, which is why I qualified that with "many cases"

valledecalle@yahoo.com wrote:

What about the guy in England that now has to tear his house down?
Calle
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:01:14 -0700
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Mixer fixer was/Controversy

 

easier to get forgiveness than permission in many cases



countryatheartok wrote:

I think that is the way to go, most people who ask permission to do something often get discouraged when what they want to do comes with all kinds of strings attached. Those who just do it before asking often get by with it because nobody knows that they did it. (make sense?)  I say go for it, get it done as fast as possible and if nobody knows or finds out your home free, and nobody will be the wiser.    
  
 
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Re: [papercreters] Re: Mixer fixer was/Controversy



What about the guy in England that now has to tear his house down?
Calle


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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:01:14 -0700
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Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Mixer fixer was/Controversy

 

easier to get forgiveness than permission in many cases



countryatheartok wrote:

I think that is the way to go, most people who ask permission to do something often get discouraged when what they want to do comes with all kinds of strings attached. Those who just do it before asking often get by with it because nobody knows that they did it. (make sense?)  I say go for it, get it done as fast as possible and if nobody knows or finds out your home free, and nobody will be the wiser.    
   



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Re: [papercreters] Ref: Those living in Texas FYI



interesting that they are allowed to do their own electrical, which is probably the most dangerous utility, but not their own plumbing.

countryatheartok wrote:

Same for Oklahoma, in the past the local city inspector was to give the Electrical, Plumbing and HVAC test, in order to obtain a City License to operate in that city. Each city did this.  Then the Construction Industries Board (CIB) came about with their ICC rules and they made it manditory for all the above trades to come to them for a test to get their STATE License. Of course they charged way more for that test than any of the Cities ever did, this is where they got their funding to operate, now they servive by writing tickets to the tune of $400.00 each, they have a court hearing almost everyday of the week to collect these tickets. If a tradesman doesn't pay their ticket, their license is revolked and if they can no longer get permits to operate in and city within the state of Oklahoma. Now that this UNIFORM BUILDING CODE has went into effect, even general contractors, remodlers, roofers, drywallers, tinkers, pitapaddlers......etc are required to have a state license in order to get a city or county permit. The only light at the end of the tunnel is that Home Owners can still get a permit to build their own home and by state law they can do their own wiring, it's gray area whether or not they can do their own sewer and water, they cannot do their own gas or HVAC. The reason for the gray area on the plumbing, is by law they cannot tap into city sewer lines or public water lines with out a license, other wise they can plumb their own house,  if they can get a plumber to sign off on it so he can tap the sewer and water lines. All this is in the name of PROTECTION for us the masses. It's like the Unions, when they first started out they were a God Send, but too much of a good thing often goes wrong. I still think Papercrete as an infill will pass any state codes as long as the building it is infilling passes IBC, which IRC falls under.
 
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Re: [papercreters] Re: Mixer fixer was/Controversy



easier to get forgiveness than permission in many cases



countryatheartok wrote:

I think that is the way to go, most people who ask permission to do something often get discouraged when what they want to do comes with all kinds of strings attached. Those who just do it before asking often get by with it because nobody knows that they did it. (make sense?)  I say go for it, get it done as fast as possible and if nobody knows or finds out your home free, and nobody will be the wiser.    
   


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Monday, February 15, 2010

[papercreters] Was Mixer fixer



You are wise to consider the tow mixer. I have made, on a long summer day, 10 batches. This is a lot of blocks, all by myself and not working extra hard. You get into a "zone". It's a wonderful thing.

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To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
From: joelincalif@aim.com
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:14:20 +0000
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Mixer fixer was/Controversy

 
Hello group,

On the way to work I had time to reflect and now realize I was mistaken on my stance that the tow mixing technique was too much work or bother to make papercrete. On the 40 minute drive I couldn't think of anything better for the shear volume of material that can be made cheaply in a few minutes. I watched a video of a fellow who made 46 poured bricks in less then 30 minutes and he figured he could do this all day. So if a great mass of the stuff is needed then that looks to be the best way to go.

I'd still like to find a standard way to make a cement mixer full at a time. Neither my cement mixer nor stucco sprayer will break up the paper so I'm forced to seek out shreaded paper as the source.

Joel

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@...> wrote:
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> One thing I really like about papercrete is that you get a wall you can plaster without having the sheath the inside and outside. Even if it isn't actually supporting the roof I can see a lot of benefit in using papercrete as infill. And as far as using ready-made materials - well it's like everything else in life. You really can't generalize. You have to take context into consideration. I like to make cakes from scratch but if I'm in a hurry I'd surely rather have a box mix cake than one from the supermarket.
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> Sincerely, Judith
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> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 01:36:53 +0000
> Subject: [papercreters] Re: Mixer fixer was/Controversy
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> True, I agree "why not just infill with cellulose, foam or fiberglass insulation?"
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> Unless the infill can also supply some structural support or additional value (higher R value) for the effort. Good point! I'll have to think on that some.
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> I don't believe I need to use very specialized techniques followed with back breaking labor to produce a quality product. My free labor isn't cheap and if I can arrange some pre-processed materials at a reasonable cost to help me along then I'm going for it.
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> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Donald Miller <donald1miller@> wrote:
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> > In reading a lot of the posts in this forum of late, I seem to see a lot of people looking for a quick fix. Papercrete is labor intensive but that is the beauty of it. The material can be had free but for the expenditure of some time on your part. A lot of our problems in our current society is the result of the quick fix free ride mentality. If one is going to build with a lot of concrete which is most definitely not green, and one is unwilling to expend some time and sweat to make your own papercrete, then why not just infill with cellulose, foam or fiberglass insulation?
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> > --- On Sat, 2/13/10, joelincalif <joelincalif@> wrote:
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> > From: joelincalif <joelincalif@>
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> > Subject: [papercreters] Re: Mixer fixer was/Controversy
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> > To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
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> > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 5:48 PM
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> > It's the shredded paper that is hard to get. Waste paper and cardboard can be found most anywhere for free. I'd like to use papercrete for infill installation between inner and outer concrete walls - like a double dome. I'd also like to ensure the inner and outer walls are not connected together with steel or anything that will conduct the cold/hot except around windows and doors.
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