Tuesday, March 31, 2009

[papercreters] Paper Rocks ! coloring critical

Yes, when I saw my friend's husband create this huge Stargate of
ferrocement, and then many huge boulders, all so natural you cant
tell-- all of ferro and then he started adding paper I think.

Making rocks is fun, and the challenge is painting them, not making
them-- the coloring must look real, and there are several books out
now on how to do that. search online

there is a site on amazing waterfalls and rocks and a DVD on
painting them, very tricky... but fantastic when done right.

Wayne Miller at www.foamliteconcrete.com, just retired from doing
huge swiming pool features, of cement + pearlite- he would make
$10,000 in a weekend for wealthy peopke who wanted large boulders and
water features on their standard pool.. "gilding the lily", as they
say.


so there is money in the concrete stamping of plaiin cement walks and
driveways ( like London brick look in front of a McMansion, and faux
rocks to make a nature look to a plain back yard.

Gary the stargate maker also did a man hole cover- heavy cement- that
looked like an Aztec or Mayan sundial/time code!!

adding and painting on or embedding seashells, petryglyphs, bits of
driftwood to the rocks, can also make great art rocks, and also
flower planters and planter boxes these are selling made of ferro
cement at Garden Shops NOW, -- but you can do the same with papercrete
if protected from moisture, or having an other layer of real straight
ceement, and a light interior.

go to any yard & garden hardware store, or patio shop-- see the
sometimes pricey and ugly cement art they sell-- you can create a St
Francis of Assissi on your own, of papercrete!

the ugliest water pond bowl thing I ever saw at LOngs drugstore
hardware- was a series of extruded "intestine" looking lumps that
formed a 3 basin water fall.. it was painted grey.. it looked
seriously like a long colon, it was the most hidieous use of cement
ever. not natural & organic, but 'organic' in the worst sense!!


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Monday, March 30, 2009

[papercreters] Re: Question for aquaponic_dave

Got them on craigslist, two for $75. The bottom is a tarp that I bought at Harbor Freight, I think it was about $75. A tent zipper was sewn into the airform right by the inflator tube. You'll need several spools of nylon thread and a lot of quality time with your sewing machine.

The airform is not the hardest part of the puzzle by any means.

Where are you at?

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> Dave, where did you buy a parachute for $150? I tried to find one to copy your idea for our tractor shed. No luck. Can you give contact info for where you got it? Thanks.
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[papercreters] Re: Paper...Rocks! faux boulders

Brilliant idea!


That would be a lot easier than molding papercrete and getting a flat spot for lettering would be easy. The PC does have the emotional tug for recycling.


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Sunday, March 29, 2009

[papercreters] off the grid

I'm building an "off the grid" home, I have less than 24 months before I begin construction. I live in southern Wisconsin where temperatures get into the 90's and humidity is high to -30 and no humidity. The home will be build on over a 100 acres and is on a ridge where there is wind. I plan on heating using active solar and earth pipes and wood. Wind for power and as money will allow PV cells for power. I have been looking strongly at papercrete for construction. I need to cool the home to 70 degrees on the hotest days. I have looked at absorption, wind powered compressors, earth pipes but I see no easy answer. I have limited funds, but there is a budget non the less. Anyone have advice on all the above?

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[papercreters] Paper...Rocks! faux boulders

GOOGLE artificial water falls faux rockers ' hyper tufa ' ( my
Tufastone is similar)

ferrocement and fake boulders, there are several DVDs for sale
then you have a basic start- and can veer off from there

try taking even a stuffed paper bag. crumple it up a lot, and start
coating, you can push in the side, make a flat or round area, etc.
there are some books on artificial waterfalls, and DVD s too. here is
a site to learn from. go for it.

I am currently working on a little booklet called "Paper..Rocks!" all
about creative poroijects to do.. send me pics and I'd love to include
you and your work as part of it.
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[papercreters] ARTificial Stones

A good friend of mine that lives in Benicia CA made large stone sculpture out of paper machea' that REALLY looked like stone. He did painting that made them look real. If it worked w/ paper machea' there no reason it wouldn't w/ papercrete. And he would add large petroglyphs ( sp? ) on them to make them really cool. We traveled about 15 years ago to see the old Anastasia ruins in the mid west ... as research. AMAZING ruins.

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Saturday, March 28, 2009

RE: [papercreters] Papercrete Boulders & Imitation Stone

Love it. Keep us informed.

Sincerely, Judith
Visit my papercrete website at www.judith-l-williams.com.

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To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
From: fpcharnock@earthlink.net
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:41:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Papercrete Boulders & &#65279;Imitation Stone

Sounds like a great idea. There is a company that sells equipment for
making advertising boulders.
Even if you had to stucco the boulder it would still be a lot lighter.
Great idea, let me know how it goes.

Bob wrote:
>
> My sons and I have been thinking of a sideline business, making
> boulders & artificial stone. The large boulders would be for gardens
> and the artificial stone would be for applying like siding, over a
> metal mesh attached to the side of a regular frame home. Our soils in
> this part of Oklahoma range from sandy with no clay, to clay with no
> sand. I was thinking instead of making latex or silicone molds for
> either /(which is the traditional method for artificial stone)/, we
> would just dig deep holes in the sandy soil shaping the hole like
> different types of garden /(flower bed type)/ boulders, out here the
> rock companies are getting rich selling those large boulders and it
> takes a lot of equipment to move and deliver them, papercrete boulders
> would only weigh a fraction of an actual boulder and yet if it was
> formed in a sand hole I think it would retain some of the sand for its
> finish and pigments could be tossed either into the hole before
> pouring in the papercrete or poured into the papercrete mix. The same
> process could be used for the artificial stones only make them about 3
> to 4 inches thick and in all different sizes and shapes. The
> commercial artificial stone is quite expensive and the selling point
> is its light weight. Has anyone tried a technique similar to this?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob
>
>




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[papercreters] Re: Artificial boulders & siding stones

Hi Bob Yes i was thinking the same thing ,i work for a landscape supply company and they sell like crazy.The first thing my boss said was their not heavy enough,well sand in the mix will fix that.Go for it it should work well.
Clair

In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" <criswells.ok@...> wrote:
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>
> My sons and I have been trying to think of a sideline business for
> papercrete. We came up with the idea of making boulders, you know the
> kind people put into their flower beds, some 3 or 4 ft high, some 1 to 2
> ft high. The local garden centers and rock companies are making a
> killing selling real boulders and it takes a lot of equipment to move
> and deliver them. We were thinking we could form different size holes in
> our sandy soil, shaping it like a boulder, toss some pigment into the
> sides and bottom of the hole and or mix some into the PC mix, fill the
> hole with PC and remove once dryness is obtained. Hopefully the
> resulting boulder would retain some of the sand on its surface and would
> only weigh a small portion of what a real boulder would weigh. The same
> process could be used to make the artificial stone only make them about
> 3 to 4 inches thick and in all shapes and sizes. These would be used
> like veneer siding on regular stick frame houses. Commercial artificial
> stone is made in latex or silicone molds but ours would be made right in
> the sand and no too would ever be alike. Has anyone ever tried anything
> like this before.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob
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Friday, March 27, 2009

Re: [papercreters] Papercrete Boulders & Imitation Stone

Sounds like a great idea. There is a company that sells equipment for
making advertising boulders.
Even if you had to stucco the boulder it would still be a lot lighter.
Great idea, let me know how it goes.


Bob wrote:
>
> My sons and I have been thinking of a sideline business, making
> boulders & artificial stone. The large boulders would be for gardens
> and the artificial stone would be for applying like siding, over a
> metal mesh attached to the side of a regular frame home. Our soils in
> this part of Oklahoma range from sandy with no clay, to clay with no
> sand. I was thinking instead of making latex or silicone molds for
> either /(which is the traditional method for artificial stone)/, we
> would just dig deep holes in the sandy soil shaping the hole like
> different types of garden /(flower bed type)/ boulders, out here the
> rock companies are getting rich selling those large boulders and it
> takes a lot of equipment to move and deliver them, papercrete boulders
> would only weigh a fraction of an actual boulder and yet if it was
> formed in a sand hole I think it would retain some of the sand for its
> finish and pigments could be tossed either into the hole before
> pouring in the papercrete or poured into the papercrete mix. The same
> process could be used for the artificial stones only make them about 3
> to 4 inches thick and in all different sizes and shapes. The
> commercial artificial stone is quite expensive and the selling point
> is its light weight. Has anyone tried a technique similar to this?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob
>
>

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[papercreters] Artificial boulders & siding stones

My sons and I have been trying to think of a sideline business for papercrete. We came up with the idea of making boulders, you know the kind people put into their flower beds, some 3 or 4 ft high, some 1 to 2 ft high. The local garden centers and rock companies are making a killing selling real boulders and it takes a lot of equipment to move and deliver them. We were thinking we could form different size holes in our sandy soil, shaping it like a boulder, toss some pigment into the sides and bottom of the hole and or mix some into the PC mix, fill the hole with PC and remove once dryness is obtained. Hopefully the resulting boulder would retain some of the sand on its surface and would only weigh a small portion of what a real boulder would weigh. The same process could be used to make the artificial stone only make them about 3 to 4 inches thick and in all shapes and sizes. These would be used like veneer siding on regular stick frame houses. Commercial artificial stone is made in latex or silicone molds but ours would be made right in the sand and no too would ever be alike. Has anyone ever tried anything like this before.

Thanks

Bob



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[papercreters] Papercrete Boulders & Imitation Stone

My sons and I have been thinking of a sideline business, making boulders & artificial stone. The large boulders would be for gardens and the artificial stone would be for applying like siding, over a metal mesh attached to the side of a regular frame home. Our soils in this part of Oklahoma range from sandy with no clay, to clay with no sand. I was thinking instead of making latex or silicone molds for either (which is the traditional method for artificial stone), we would just dig deep holes in the sandy soil shaping the hole like different types of garden (flower bed type) boulders, out here the rock companies are getting rich selling those large boulders and it takes a lot of equipment to move and deliver them, papercrete boulders would only weigh a fraction of an actual boulder and yet if it was formed in a sand hole I think it would retain some of the sand for its finish and pigments could be tossed either into the hole before pouring in the papercrete or poured into the papercrete mix. The same process could be used for the artificial stones only make them about 3 to 4 inches thick and in all different sizes and shapes. The commercial artificial stone is quite expensive and the selling point is its light weight. Has anyone tried a technique similar to this?

Thanks

Bob



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Re: [papercreters] Re: Acrylic paint in papercrete

Back about eight years ago I dissolved a tube of silicone caulk into a gallon of turpentine and painted a papercrete panel with it. The theory was that even if the sun degraded the silicone it would only do so on the outer skin, and this thin mixture penetrated about 1/2" into the pc. That panel laid around through a couple of monsoon seasons and always seemed to shed water like a duck's back. At some point a helper decided it was scrap and threw it into the mixer where it was recycled into another project.

Another successful test was asphalt emulsion mixed into the pc while it was still wet. That panel set up normally and then was waterproof enough to float for eight hours without absorbing any water.

Spaceman

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Re: [papercreters] Snip This

And the voice of experience speaks. Thanks Clyde, and have a great day.

--- On Fri, 3/27/09, clydetcurry <clyde@evesgarden.org> wrote:

From: clydetcurry <clyde@evesgarden.org>
Subject: [papercreters] Snip This
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 9:19 PM

The subject of acrylics in , or on papercrete is something I have experience with. The evaluations as to its breath ability seem accurate to me. I first painted my buildings with dryloc then flat acrylic exterior paint over top.This worked to shed water, but not to stop it. Then when I began to use high reactivity metakaolin pozzolan, in my plasters, the dryloc would not stick.There was no excess lime to react with the pozzolan. The breathlabilty of the flat acrylic was fortunate since I had locked in a lot of water with my old mixes. With my new mixes, which include aggregate for drainage, and pozzalon to react the excess lime from the portland reaction, I am obtaining dry conditions in 3-4 weeks - I then apply cheap reject acrylic paint till I have filled the surface - then 2 Coats of high gloss acrylic - for a durable finish - now my rooms are all dry - Good Luck and Keep snipping - the Gods love Us - Clyde




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[papercreters] Snip This

The subject of acrylics in , or on papercrete is something I have experience with. The evaluations as to its breath ability seem accurate to me. I first painted my buildings with dryloc then flat acrylic exterior paint over top.This worked to shed water, but not to stop it. Then when I began to use high reactivity metakaolin pozzolan, in my plasters, the dryloc would not stick.There was no excess lime to react with the pozzolan. The breathlabilty of the flat acrylic was fortunate since I had locked in a lot of water with my old mixes. With my new mixes, which include aggregate for drainage, and pozzalon to react the excess lime from the portland reaction, I am obtaining dry conditions in 3-4 weeks - I then apply cheap reject acrylic paint till I have filled the surface - then 2 Coats of high gloss acrylic - for a durable finish - now my rooms are all dry - Good Luck and Keep snipping - the Gods love Us - Clyde

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[papercreters] Re: Acrylic paint in papercrete

Very helpful Vince, thanks for the breakdowns! I'm curious about desert vs. urban temperate applications as well, if you see durable products able to withstand lots of handprints and touch over years.

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Pawlowski <pawlowski@...> wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> As spaceman pointed out, there are a lot of people who post about why
> something won't work without actually having had experience with the
> product. I hate to say it, but I am about to be one of those. However,
> I will refer to others' experience regarding the idea of adding latex
> paint to papercrete.
>
> > 1c. Re: Acrylic paint in papercrete
> > Posted by: "manormeta" evoamo@... manormeta
> > Date: Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:45 pm ((PDT))
> >
> > Not a deck stain but a waterproofing seal layer, poly based, not to mix into the slurry but to use on top after finishing....look for products like Thompson's Water Seal.
>
> Both Eric Patterson and Barry Fuller have tried many admixtures in and
> coatings over papercrete. To me, it makes more sense to coat a block
> than to add an expensive (relatively) waterproofing agent to a whole
> block. I did some tests along that line years ago, but was not
> impressed. However, your results may vary.
>
> Eric's 1991 papercrete dome is featured in Gordon Solberg's book. Eric
> coated parts of his dome with Thompson's Water Seal. It did not work
> very long, probably because it is an petroleum based material. None of
> the oil based paints Eric used worked well, he said they all peeled.
> Barry used a latex concrete sealer from UGL called Drylok on his Paper
> Palace One/Plath Manor. It has been fine for a few years. A quick
> search revealed several others like Hydoloc and Seal-crete. It would be
> interesting to hear if anyone has any experience with these. I am not
> sure, but I think Eric also tried silicone based sealers with some success.
>
> Eric has most recently built a storage shed and coated it with a
> flexible stucco called Stone Forte. That looked very good, although its
> a little expensive. I plan to use it in a test soon.
>
> I did personally attend a workshop demonstrating a new exterior lime
> based papercete stucco put on by American Clay at Mason Greenstar. It
> looks like a great coating. I took a Greenstar block home coated on one
> side with the exterior lime stucco and on the other with American Clay's
> interior clay plaster with me and haven't seen any cracking or crazing.
> It has only been three months though in the desert without rain or
> extreme temperatures, so that may not indicative of much. American Clay
> has done tests on their product. Tim White, their coating specialist
> who put on the workshop said that they will not be selling the exterior
> stucco until the buyer attends a workshop, as it does take some special
> techniques.
>
> Otherwise, I have only had experience with latex paint on one papercrete
> project, a sculpture that is also a storage space for neighbors to drop
> off their paper. Its been on for a few months without any problems.
>
> I encourage people to try things, even those that have been tried
> before. They might work differently in your case.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Vince
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[papercreters] Re: Acrylic paint in papercrete

Hi,

As spaceman pointed out, there are a lot of people who post about why
something won't work without actually having had experience with the
product. I hate to say it, but I am about to be one of those. However,
I will refer to others' experience regarding the idea of adding latex
paint to papercrete.

> 1c. Re: Acrylic paint in papercrete
> Posted by: "manormeta" evoamo@gmail.com manormeta
> Date: Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:45 pm ((PDT))
>
> Not a deck stain but a waterproofing seal layer, poly based, not to mix into the slurry but to use on top after finishing....look for products like Thompson's Water Seal.

Both Eric Patterson and Barry Fuller have tried many admixtures in and
coatings over papercrete. To me, it makes more sense to coat a block
than to add an expensive (relatively) waterproofing agent to a whole
block. I did some tests along that line years ago, but was not
impressed. However, your results may vary.

Eric's 1991 papercrete dome is featured in Gordon Solberg's book. Eric
coated parts of his dome with Thompson's Water Seal. It did not work
very long, probably because it is an petroleum based material. None of
the oil based paints Eric used worked well, he said they all peeled.
Barry used a latex concrete sealer from UGL called Drylok on his Paper
Palace One/Plath Manor. It has been fine for a few years. A quick
search revealed several others like Hydoloc and Seal-crete. It would be
interesting to hear if anyone has any experience with these. I am not
sure, but I think Eric also tried silicone based sealers with some success.

Eric has most recently built a storage shed and coated it with a
flexible stucco called Stone Forte. That looked very good, although its
a little expensive. I plan to use it in a test soon.

I did personally attend a workshop demonstrating a new exterior lime
based papercete stucco put on by American Clay at Mason Greenstar. It
looks like a great coating. I took a Greenstar block home coated on one
side with the exterior lime stucco and on the other with American Clay's
interior clay plaster with me and haven't seen any cracking or crazing.
It has only been three months though in the desert without rain or
extreme temperatures, so that may not indicative of much. American Clay
has done tests on their product. Tim White, their coating specialist
who put on the workshop said that they will not be selling the exterior
stucco until the buyer attends a workshop, as it does take some special
techniques.

Otherwise, I have only had experience with latex paint on one papercrete
project, a sculpture that is also a storage space for neighbors to drop
off their paper. Its been on for a few months without any problems.

I encourage people to try things, even those that have been tried
before. They might work differently in your case.

Thanks,

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[papercreters] Re: Water proof

Yes the fellow from the center for research and innovation said the same thing to us.
Clair

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> A couple things to keep in mind, Water Proof is a relative term in as much
> as water proof doesn't mean Vapor Proof and a vapor seal can be broken or
> incomplete. Vapor barriers can sometimes trap moisture and cause many of
> the problems they are supposed to prevent.
> Latex and Acrylic can be helpful for shedding water as well as allowing
> trapped moisture to breathe through it, or allow it to escape. This helps
> prevent peeling paint as the water breaths out rather than forcing the paint
> off an outside wall as happens with many Alkyd or oil enamels.
> Some tests have shown that acrylic additives can improve tensile strength in
> some high density mortars, but reduce compressive strength.
> Papercrete means different things to different people, and characteristics
> change as the components vary. What works for one may be impossible for
> another due to inconsistency in materials, application, humidity,
> temperatures, etc.
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[papercreters] Re: Interesting sealer information

Awsome link thanks so much.
Clair

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> This site has a lot of different kinds of information for different
> things http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-concrete-sealer.htm
> <http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-concrete-sealer.htm>
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[papercreters] Re update

Well we got a order for 30,000 blocks yesterday,The press is done just putting a coat of paint on it this weekend as well as the tow mixer.We have the presentaion on thursday april 2nd for the city which they very excited about.I will video it and post as soon as the editing is done.Thats it for now iv got some painting to do chat at you soon.
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[papercreters] Interesting sealer information

This site has a lot of different kinds of information for different things http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-concrete-sealer.htm

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[papercreters] Water proof

A couple things to keep in mind, Water Proof is a relative term in as much
as water proof doesn't mean Vapor Proof and a vapor seal can be broken or
incomplete. Vapor barriers can sometimes trap moisture and cause many of
the problems they are supposed to prevent.
Latex and Acrylic can be helpful for shedding water as well as allowing
trapped moisture to breathe through it, or allow it to escape. This helps
prevent peeling paint as the water breaths out rather than forcing the paint
off an outside wall as happens with many Alkyd or oil enamels.
Some tests have shown that acrylic additives can improve tensile strength in
some high density mortars, but reduce compressive strength.
Papercrete means different things to different people, and characteristics
change as the components vary. What works for one may be impossible for
another due to inconsistency in materials, application, humidity,
temperatures, etc.

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[papercreters] Re: Acrylic paint in papercrete

Not a deck stain but a waterproofing seal layer, poly based, not to mix into the slurry but to use on top after finishing....look for products like Thompson's Water Seal.

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "smt460" <smt460@...> wrote:
>
> Well to the best of my knowlage oil paint doesnt breath that is why you dont use it in extreem wet areas.and polyurithaine is used for metal i have only put it on brick once in 25 yrs of being in the painting trade.I would like to see the document where you found your info from.Deck coatings are stain and do not have a coating like oil or latex paint their for stain sinks in to create a seal.just my 2 cents worth.
>
>
>
>
> - In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "manormeta" <evoamo@> wrote:
> >
> > Acrylic paint by itself will not waterproof papercrete but it will help with elasticity/cracking due to extreme weather changes. To waterproof papercrete works a top coat of stucco could be used with an oil-based or polyurethane product. Oil repels water but acrylic is mostly water and dye....oil based paints would like beat off water the same way deck coatings are used to protect wood decks from water damage.
> >
> > ~evo~
> >
> > --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Heather Negaard <hnegaard@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Judith,
> > >
> > > If you look up darjit, you¹ll find some info about adding acrylic paint to
> > > the mix, esp for cold weather outdoor sculpture.
> > >
> > > www.darjit,.com
> > >
> > > (taken from their site) Building light weight outdoor garden sculptures:
> > > 3 parts darjit, 1 part cement, 10% acrylic adhesive or acrylic paint.
> > >
> > > I do know that they have a different recipe for extreme cold, using more
> > > acrylic paint. I requested it, I will have to find it. It is to help with
> > > the waterproofing and the expansion/shrinkage of the product in cold
> > > weather.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > H
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/23/09 1:52 PM, "JUDITH WILLIAMS" <williams_judith@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sorry but I may have missed the point of putting latex/acrylic paint into the
> > > > mix. Is it to waterproof? I have many 5 gallon buckets of it in my closet and
> > > > was going to use my regular mix then paint the first few courses after they
> > > > had completely cured. Also was going to do the same thing with a papercrete
> > > > roof.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely, Judith
> > > > Visit my papercrete website at www.judith-l-williams.com
> > > > <http://www.judith-l-williams.com/> .
> > > >
> > > > Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. Helen Keller
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> > > > From: losdozier@
> > > > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:44:10 -0700
> > > > Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Acrylic paint in papercrete
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My experience with paint in papercrete is that the PC mixture tends to not
> > > > bind as well. My different test samples gave me the surprising result that
> > > > papercrete with paint was slightly more brittle than the just the simple
> > > > recipe. My straight recipe has performed better in strength tests. It could
> > > > just be the proportions I put into mine (about 1 part for every 15 parts) and
> > > > perhaps other proportions could be better. In addition, I am wondering if the
> > > > paint would add any insulative properties to your papercrete... by filling in
> > > > the air bubbles it could potentially minimize the R-value. Just a thought,
> > > > for whatever it is worth, but specifically in respect for your intended use.
> > > > Tomás Enrique
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, smt460 <smt460@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> From: smt460 <smt460@>
> > > >> Subject: [papercreters] Re: Acrylic paint in papercrete
> > > >> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:01 PM
> > > >>
> > > >> Thx for the reply im not using it in homes just as pipe insulation so it
> > > >> should be ok.Good to know that,carpet and lino also will do that.
> > > >> thx St Clair
> > > >>
> > > >> - In papercreters@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >> <http:///mc/compose?to=papercreters@yahoogroups.com> , Glenneth Lambert
> > > >> <glenneth@ .> wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > I get FREE acrylic pain from CA dumps . ( it's taken there as a part
> > > >>> > of toxic cleanup ) Just a heads up. It will out-gas toxic fumes for
> > > >>> > approx. 8 months despite not smelling. So .. to put in a highly
> > > >>> > insulated building such as papercrete .. contributes to
> > > >>> > toxicification ( is that a word ;) of yourself.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Sir Glenneth - from " the land of Cobb "
> > > >>> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [papercreters] Re: Acrylic paint in papercrete

There are some people who post in a manner that seems to be "snippy" though they may not intend to come across that way. The general policy here is that it is fine to attack ideas (done properly and respectably) but never to attack a person. It's OK to say "your idea won't work because" but it is not OK to say "you are dumb for thinking that".

Please don't stop sharing - most people who appreciate and enjoy your posts and ideas will not comment or add to the discussion. That is the nature of lists. Be aware that just as in real life negative ideas and actions seem to get the most attention. If you feel that a person is unnecessarily dogging your posts, please point it out to one of the moderators so action can be taken. The moderators want this to be a pleasant and informative experience for all the members and will do what is necessary to achieve that goal. Most of the action goes on in the background, but several people a week are bounced from the list for inappropriate posts that you never see.

There is a tendency for someone who has never even made any papercrete to start stating "facts" that exist only in their imagination, and other folks have a problem sorting through all the chaff. Don't let it discourage you. It becomes apparent who has actually done it vs. those who only have time to think up reasons why it won't work and you shouldn't try it.

Spaceman

Heather Negaard wrote:

Re: [papercreters] Re: Acrylic paint in papercrete
Is is just me, or is this forum getting snippy? It seems like every time I post something it is getting shot down. I guess I will refrain from sharing anymore, although I guess this sort of mitigates the idea of the forum.

Best,
H




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[papercreters] Re: Acrylic paint in papercrete

Well to the best of my knowlage oil paint doesnt breath that is why you dont use it in extreem wet areas.and polyurithaine is used for metal i have only put it on brick once in 25 yrs of being in the painting trade.I would like to see the document where you found your info from.Deck coatings are stain and do not have a coating like oil or latex paint their for stain sinks in to create a seal.just my 2 cents worth.


- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "manormeta" <evoamo@...> wrote:
>
> Acrylic paint by itself will not waterproof papercrete but it will help with elasticity/cracking due to extreme weather changes. To waterproof papercrete works a top coat of stucco could be used with an oil-based or polyurethane product. Oil repels water but acrylic is mostly water and dye....oil based paints would like beat off water the same way deck coatings are used to protect wood decks from water damage.
>
> ~evo~
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Heather Negaard <hnegaard@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Judith,
> >
> > If you look up darjit, you¹ll find some info about adding acrylic paint to
> > the mix, esp for cold weather outdoor sculpture.
> >
> > www.darjit,.com
> >
> > (taken from their site) Building light weight outdoor garden sculptures:
> > 3 parts darjit, 1 part cement, 10% acrylic adhesive or acrylic paint.
> >
> > I do know that they have a different recipe for extreme cold, using more
> > acrylic paint. I requested it, I will have to find it. It is to help with
> > the waterproofing and the expansion/shrinkage of the product in cold
> > weather.
> >
> >
> >
> > H
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3/23/09 1:52 PM, "JUDITH WILLIAMS" <williams_judith@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry but I may have missed the point of putting latex/acrylic paint into the
> > > mix. Is it to waterproof? I have many 5 gallon buckets of it in my closet and
> > > was going to use my regular mix then paint the first few courses after they
> > > had completely cured. Also was going to do the same thing with a papercrete
> > > roof.
> > >
> > > Sincerely, Judith
> > > Visit my papercrete website at www.judith-l-williams.com
> > > <http://www.judith-l-williams.com/> .
> > >
> > > Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. Helen Keller
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: losdozier@
> > > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:44:10 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Acrylic paint in papercrete
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My experience with paint in papercrete is that the PC mixture tends to not
> > > bind as well. My different test samples gave me the surprising result that
> > > papercrete with paint was slightly more brittle than the just the simple
> > > recipe. My straight recipe has performed better in strength tests. It could
> > > just be the proportions I put into mine (about 1 part for every 15 parts) and
> > > perhaps other proportions could be better. In addition, I am wondering if the
> > > paint would add any insulative properties to your papercrete... by filling in
> > > the air bubbles it could potentially minimize the R-value. Just a thought,
> > > for whatever it is worth, but specifically in respect for your intended use.
> > > Tomás Enrique
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, smt460 <smt460@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> From: smt460 <smt460@>
> > >> Subject: [papercreters] Re: Acrylic paint in papercrete
> > >> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> > >> Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:01 PM
> > >>
> > >> Thx for the reply im not using it in homes just as pipe insulation so it
> > >> should be ok.Good to know that,carpet and lino also will do that.
> > >> thx St Clair
> > >>
> > >> - In papercreters@ yahoogroups. com
> > >> <http:///mc/compose?to=papercreters@yahoogroups.com> , Glenneth Lambert
> > >> <glenneth@ .> wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I get FREE acrylic pain from CA dumps . ( it's taken there as a part
> > >>> > of toxic cleanup ) Just a heads up. It will out-gas toxic fumes for
> > >>> > approx. 8 months despite not smelling. So .. to put in a highly
> > >>> > insulated building such as papercrete .. contributes to
> > >>> > toxicification ( is that a word ;) of yourself.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Sir Glenneth - from " the land of Cobb "
> > >>> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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[papercreters] Re: Question for aquaponic_dave

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Robert & Connie" <losee04@...> wrote:
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> Dave, where did you buy a parachute for $150? I tried to find one to copy your idea for our tractor shed. No luck. Can you give contact info for where you got it? Thanks.
>
> Connie
>


http://www.govliquidation.com/index.html

They just sold a lot of them on this website. The next auction is in Jacksonville FL. You have to check every couple of weeks to see whats coming up. Here is a direct link to parachutes there. Page 3

http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/endecaSearch?words=parachute&Ntt=parachute&N=0&cmd=keyword&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchall&No=60&Ns=Lot+Number|0&Ntk=P_Lot_Title

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RE: [papercreters] Question for aquaponic_dave

 

http://armynavysuperstores.com/parachutes.htm?gclid=COPIqLbyvZkCFRwwawodD0896A

This was the first name that came up when I searched surplus parachutes.

Janosh


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Subject: [papercreters] Question for aquaponic_dave

 

Dave, where did you buy a parachute for $150? I tried to find one to copy your idea for our tractor shed. No luck. Can you give contact info for where you got it? Thanks.

Connie



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i ain't him........but here's a place:

http://armynavysuperstores.com/parachutes.htm?gclid=CMLD153uvZkCFQO5GgodyzEp5A

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[papercreters] Question for aquaponic_dave

Dave, where did you buy a parachute for $150? I tried to find one to copy your idea for our tractor shed. No luck. Can you give contact info for where you got it? Thanks.

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Re: [papercreters] Re: Acrylic paint in papercrete

Hi Neal,

I guess I have no other “proof” for you than the conversations I have had with them and the sculptures that I have made. Also, if you look through other sites for darjit you should find it (you want the cold weather recipe, I’ll look for it later tonight), And, yes, you add old acrylic PAINT for the EXTEME OUTDOOR WEATHER SCULPTURE recipe. I do have the email but I would have to look through 3 years of emails to find it.

Is is just me, or is this forum getting snippy? It seems like every time I post something it is getting shot down. I guess I will refrain from sharing anymore, although I guess this sort of mitigates the idea of the forum.

Best,
H


On 3/23/09 2:21 PM, "Neal Chabot" <sire@comcast.net> wrote:


 

I find no reference saying that acrylic paint "waterproofs" when added to the mixture.    The site says that paint is added for color when desired, and acrylic adhesive is added for texture and bonding.   Exactly why dargit is said to be waterproof is a mystery since nothing is said about that, at least that I can see.

 

Neal


----- Original Message -----
From: "Heather Negaard" hnegaard@qwest.net

If anybody is familiar with darjit, acrylic paint is added to ‘waterproof” the mixture. Just my two cents. I say, try it and see how it goes. That’s how we learn and grow. I am testing a homemade papercrete mixture for making large scale outdoor work. Just waiting for it to warm up outside a bit before I tackle!

Best,
H


On 3/22/09 8:44 PM, "Tomas y Chelsea Dozier" <losdozier@yahoo.com> wrote:


 

My experience with paint in papercrete is that the PC mixture tends to not bind as well.  My different test samples gave me the surprising result that papercrete with paint was slightly more brittle than the just the simple recipe.  My straight recipe has performed better in strength tests.  It could just be the proportions I put into mine (about 1 part for every 15 parts) and perhaps other proportions could be better. In addition, I am wondering if the paint would add any insulative properties to your papercrete... by filling in the air bubbles it could potentially minimize the R-value.  Just a thought, for whatever it is worth, but specifically in respect for your intended use.  
Tomás Enrique

--- On Sun, 3/22/09, smt460 <smt460@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: smt460 <smt460@yahoo.com>
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Acrylic paint in papercrete
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:01 PM

  Thx for the reply im not using it in homes just as pipe insulation so it should be ok.Good to know that,carpet and lino also will do that.
thx  St Clair

- In papercreters@ yahoogroups. com </mc/compose?to=papercreters%40yahoogroups.com> , Glenneth Lambert <glenneth@.. .> wrote:
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> I get FREE acrylic pain from CA dumps .  ( it's taken there as a part  
> of toxic cleanup ) Just a heads up.  It will out-gas toxic fumes for  
> approx. 8 months despite not smelling.  So .. to put in a highly  
> insulated building such as papercrete ..  contributes to  
> toxicification ( is that a word ;) of  yourself.
>
>
>              Sir Glenneth  - from " the land of Cobb "
>

  
   

 
  
    




  
    





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