Re: [papercreters] Reciprocal Roofs- 16 sided house

Greetings,

Since when is a framed house cheaper than a papercrete or fidobe home?
Rice hulls also attract bugs, big time. I have friends that use them in
the garden, and the bugs just love to get into the piles. Since our
home has to be pesticide free, anything organic that can feed critters
is not a good idea.

Mastic?????? Never would be allowed in my home. That stuff is toxic in
the extreme. I want to live there, not die.

If I had access to lots of cedar trees, I would consider cordwood, what
you are calling firewood home. I have friends that are planning on
doing just that, but they need to clear a cedar patch to put the house
in, so it makes sense for them.

I am in the Gulf Coast region, but rice is not grown everywhere. Our
soil is too acid for it. I am in the piney woods area. Oh, and my
papercrete mixer was much less than $400 to build.

Actually, papercrete and fidobe can be done by inexperienced help, such
as children and volunteers. Since there is no financing involved, there
is no rush, so it takes what it takes. Using the waste stream to build
is a long term gain for all of us. Since I work on my farm, full time,
the time to build is just part of my life, no cost. The labor helps
keep me healthy and is much better than working out at the gym.
Actually, several friends are planning on dropping their gym memberships
and working at my place instead. So, the labor aspect is a positive.

Just turn the thinking around, remember Tom Sawyer, and get the project
done.

Bright Blessings,
Garth & Kim Travis
www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
Bedias, Texas

On 11/8/2012 3:22 AM, Forrest Charnock wrote:
> Hi:
>
> If you don't use a/c the rice hulls would not make sense. As far as
> the cost to super insulate a house any other method would be far more
> expensive even if you had to transport the hulls a great distance. The
> difference in framing cost is minimal and the added strength is well
> worth it. With the cavity underneath you would have no problem with
> cold feet . Mastic made for gluing down floors takes care of insects
> and air leaks quite well, it is not cheap but will last 100 years.
>
> I am a little confused, I thought you lived on the Gulf Coast of
> Texas. Papercrete and fidobe are super labour intensive. It looks cool
> and works well to equalize temps but the cost is at least double if
> you consider your time and labour. The Rice Hull Houses ended up
> costing about a dollar a foot more for the framing but that was offset
> by the savings on insulation. A 100 yard load of hulls would insulate
> 2700 square foot to an r-50. would cost about 500.00 and if you
> figured 2.00 a mile for a truck designed for moving agricultural
> products I can't imagine a scenario that would not save a ton of money
> over any other method of insulation. No commercial product would give
> you that r-factor for anywhere near that price and the cost of the
> foundation and labour to use earth or papercrete , not to mention the
> specialized tools necessary such as the mixer would be several times
> that much. Using squirrel cage fans salvaged from old heaters you
> could build a blower for about 400.00 - 250.00 for the fans, hose and
> the plywood and $150.00 for a days labour.
>
> If I was going to build with earth or papercrete I would use firewood
> logs and stone on the outside walls because it is so beautiful. Too
> bad you can't rent a block maker for papercrete , that would be cool.
>
> Let me know how you project goes. good luck.
>
>


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