Papercreters: [papercreters] Re: Attaching things to papercrete walls

Friday, March 23, 2012

[papercreters] Re: Attaching things to papercrete walls

Trevor's post reminds me of "Snyderizing".
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/message/1042

That is a method of embedding rebar into papercrete after it has dried. You put a length of rebar into a drill chuck, and you use that as the drill bit and drill it into the wall.

If Judith "Snyderized" several lengths of rebar into the wall, but left the rebar long enough to stick out of the wall, they could serve as shelf brackets. The exposed rebar pins could be "decorated" by applying some of the same earthen plaster she used on her walls, making it all blend together nicely.

The tricky part would be getting all the rebar pegs aligned in a nice row and level as the drill is Snyderizing them in, but I suppose as long as the rebar pins are all aligned properly along a level line on the wall, the outer ends could be bent with a length of pipe to adjust them perfectly level.

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Trevor Grigson" <surferman@...> wrote:
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> Thatâ€™s a pretty big shelf! If it were me Iâ€™d drill some deep holes into the wall and use threaded rod grouted into place. So use maybe Â¼â€ rod in a 3/8â€ hole or 5/16â€ rod in a 1/2â€hole say 6 or 8â€ deep for the top bolt on the bracket. The bottom bolt could be say 4â€ deep since itâ€™s under compression not tension. Make up a sloppy grout of cement mixed with watered down cement conditioner (not sure what they call it in the states, but we have a product called Bondcrete, itâ€™s a waterproof PVA product, grout plastisizer for tiling would work too) Inject that in the hole then put the threaded rod (with a point ground on it) in the chuck of your cordless drill and slowly drill it into the grout. Not too fast so you drill the grout out. Leave it to dry a bit till the grout is stiffish then bolt on your brackets and shelf so it dries in the right alignment. Only hard bit is getting the grout into the hole. You need a syringe of some kind, or sloppy grout with a hose and funnel.
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> From: papercreters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:papercreters@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hay
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> My guess is that there will be a problem holding a lot of shelf weight. The typical wing anchor and the newer brass colored curved wire picture hangers are designed for use with drywall. The back face of the drywall carries the weight. The small plastic anchors work in drywall, plaster, concrete, wood, etc, but require a fairly dense material for the plastic to lock into when the screw causes it to expand outward. My suggestion is the kind of anchor used with vinyl covered wire shelves. It is a fairly big anchor with a metal ring on the face. . The threaded bolt screws into another metal piece at the rear of the anchor. As you screw it in and the rear metal piece is pulled forward, the plastic piece in the middle expands significantly more than the plain plastic anchors.
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> If that doesn't work, you may have to find a way to anchor into something behind the papercrete, if you can. Good luck.
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> On 03/22/12, JUDITH WILLIAMS<williams_judith@...> wrote:
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> I did really well in getting the cement in my mix down to 1/2 bag per 200 gallon mix. Now that I am ready to hang a shelf I am worried it might be too heavy for the wall. The screws may pull out. I have been thinking of all sorts of different ways to make sure the shelf doesn't fall down. I even looked at some of those fancy fasteners but don't know what to buy. There are some that have a plastic part the goes into the hole first and some that have little wing thingies that stick out if you put them into drywall. I also thought I would glue a decorative piece of punched tin to the wall behind where the brackets will go. I just don't know, but I want that shelf up there soon. It's a 2x12 12 feet long to span an entire wall. I have 4 beautiful cast iron brackets to hold it up.
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