Re: [papercreters] Permits, etc

Howard, it seems that you have been caught building sheds, barns, outbuildings, etc., but you have not been caught building something to actually live in.   The real question is what would happen if you wanted to build a "complete" building and were caught doing that?   Both you and they would know that you needed a permit, and no amount of your charming distraction and sidetracking would make them forget that.   In most places where people are similarly caught, they have an "as built" permit process into which these "caught" people are channeled.   But I don't have any experience with that.

 

Neal  

 

 

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From: Stone Tool

To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 10:28 PM

Subject: Re: [papercreters] Permits, etc

Neal:
In the past I have been able to simply distract and side track
them....... and continue with the guy checking in once in awhile....
but it hasn't been a complete building. I have no idea what happens if
they decide to come down on you...... that would vary depending on the
local.

Howard

Neal Chabot wrote:
> Excellent comments, Howard. Additional questions that could use some insight:
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> Leaving aside the "alternative building" code questions, what is the procedure once you are caught towards getting to an "as built" permit? Are there any fines or penalties for being caught other than having to possibly take apart some things so the inspector can see the inside? Wouldn't Judith be well-advised to call the Head of the building department and find out directly with him what steps she can take? For her to make a personal appearance there would probably be even better instead of waiting for some inspector to call her back.
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> I assume that the only reason the assessor knows about you is that you told him as a friend. For others without that relationship there would be another "being caught" episode when one of the assessor's minions happens to catch them, but since usually assessors have no direct connection with the building department, there would probably be no penalties but only increased taxes from that point on.
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> Neal
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> Judith:
> I have been "caught" more than once by building code people...... I absolutely refuse to function within the system unless it cannot be avoided, but once you get "caught" you have to change strategy. First rule to remember is know the guy / or gal..... always remember their name, make a bit of small talk and don't forget that daughter that's having a baby, or the new car they just bought, or.... never forget the details. Treat them as a friend as much as possible, bend.... don't resist, bend with the winds. Do not fight them or be a problem unless they are intractably obstructionist, and outside the legal limits of
> their supposed authority. flatter them, tap them for their expertise, and their resources, suck them in, stimulate their interest in your project.... and of the opposite gender throw in a little very subtle aura of personal interest. Make them feel knowledgeable, important and attractive... pay attention to how they react to things, and what they say, learn their attitudes and prejudices, and frame things to fit within those. Cultivate the one individual shamelessly using every resource of charm and manipulation you have available. NEVER defy, argue or obstruct..... make them look forward to visiting you, and turn
> them into an ally.
> It isn't easy to do this, and often goes against the grain......
> Personally I am deeply resentful that some government agency thinks they have authority over me in this area. I regard the building codes department as a highly developed program of extortion operating within the government and masquerading as a "service"..... but I would never communicate that thought to one of these people. They are the enforcers and "bagmen" for a protection racket that is little different in nature from those the mafia runs. They will drive up your costs, force contractors into the picture, permits, etc. Drive you into the arms of a herd of bankers and finance companies..... force you into the
> system. That's what they are there for........ You can't beat them, and you can't "join" them, but you can induce them to "join you".
> Neighbor visits, and contractors blowing the whistle are the two most common ways people are caught. Here I am in a very rural setting where nobody gets permits except for residential construction, the assessor will know about my project almost as soon as I begin...... he's a friend of mine (many years). He will assess, visit, be intrigued, etc... but he is not directly connected to the codes folks.
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> Turn on the charm...... manipulate, manipulate..... charm, and
> manipulate some more.... these folks are human and can be "had".
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> Howard
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> JUDITH WILLIAMS wrote:
> > As many of you know I went into my project without getting a permit. There were several contributing factors to this. For one thing I never expected it to grow into such a big thing and didn't have any plans drawn up. Also working with no money and a bunch of other stuff. Anyway, a few weeks ago a neighbor called for an inspection of his foundationa and I got shut down. At first I freaked out and didn't know what to do. I've done nothing but work at my job and then on this house for almost 3 years with no time off. All of a sudden I had what seemed to me like nothing to do. Well anyway, to make a long story short, I'm over the shock and rather enjoying some time off. I still don't know how to procede. I've called the inspector but he hasn't gotten back to me so I guess I'll call for an inspection to see where I stand and what I can do the get it up to permit standards. I still don't have the money it will take to get and architect and engineer but as it has always happe
ned
> with me the universe is aware and is providing what I need. I went to a little bbq last night and the folks there suggested I have a benefit at my place accepting donations. They have a band which is very good and said they would love to perform for free. So I'm thinking about doing that and also have been offered a weekend job that pays very well. So, my advice to all who are concerned and are planning to build a house with papercrete is to see about getting a permit but don't let that stop you. I love my house as it's coming along. I know it will get finished and will be beautiful. Just wanted to keep you all informed. I've received so much encouragement and wonderful advice form this group. Thanks to all of you. I'll let you know about the party so you can come if you want.
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