Re: [papercreters] Re: underground papercrete house? How do I waterproof it?

hi,

for underground thinshell construction, google Billy Birdsall Nylon Cement.

 he was working in Puerto Rico, not  Texas and maybe

different soil type would have to be considered but have a look-maybe something useful.

re: concrete pillars coming 4 inches out of the ground-

 this may seem off the wall to some but i have read in a moon planting

 guide that ordinary fenceposts should be put in at full moon when the ground is the most 'open' so that it will then only 'close' 

around the posts- where a post put into the ground on the dark moon will come lose as the moon cycle opens the ground  up

-i just wonder if the same forces could have been at work on the concrete parts, pushing them out? The force of clay as well i

 understand but it could have been a compounding of clay and moon forces?

 

I live in fire country and for that reason will want to make an underground shelter which may as well be a house as the forest infernos

 we seem to be having lately would take out most things above ground possibly -what i wonder is, once the basic structure has been 

arrived at,is what kind of ventilation would be appropriate

<buried submarine with fireproof periscope sounds good!>

for a fireshelter the heat and air suck of fire is additional consideration but with papercrete, would not excellent ventilation be a key

 to using paperctrete effectively underground?

 My thinking is running to thinshell nylon cement a la Billy Birdsall with a papercrete render for insulation using 

ceramicrete as the cement in the papercrete which, if it could be arrived at, would be the paper fibres encased in completely

 waterproof fireproof chemically bonded ceramic. Also, maybe a dead airspace between the nylon cement and the render-need less

thickness of render to arrive at R value that way, too.

any thoughts?

cheers, eo

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Devonia <devonia111@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Earthbagplans.com

Devonia

On Feb 18, 2013, at 8:19 PM, "waterengineman101" <shanerileyservices@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 

Yes...maybe it could. Do you have a link for it??

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Devonia wrote:
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> Owens builds earth bags homes under ground maybe his site could help you
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> Devonia
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> On Feb 18, 2013, at 5:53 AM, "waterengineman101" wrote:
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> > Hello people. Long time no see! Well guys work and daily life gets in my fasinasion about papercrete a lot so I end up not getting to spend much time on it. However soon (like in 2 months) I will be able to start my house. As you should know, the earth is absolutely the best insulater against the heat of summer (think, far south texas, 100 degrees everyday for months on end...for real!). And, I have access to a backhoe and can operate it. AND, if its underground I won't have to pay taxes on it. So here's the BIG question. What is a sure fire no guessing truely proven way to make papercrete waterproof? Now I want to clearify. I don't mean I want to know if it will work just a little bit, I want to know it will work FOR SURE! no cactus juice works well, no I heard you use linseed oil...I need it to actually BE waterproof as now I am concidering building the house underground. To ease fears, I allready think I know about how to keep it from colapsing in. right now I am only researching on how to make papercrete WATERPROOF. Totally waterproof, no seapage, No dampness threw the wall...TOTAL waterproofing. NOW.....can anybody tell me what I need to know. I will await an answer and I will check back after work today. Thanks for your time.
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