Sunday, May 26, 2013

[papercreters] ] Recipe for Newbie



Hi all,

After our life changing forest, canyon, range fire not sure if I would ever trust papercrete as our fire burnt between 3000/4000 degrees according to the rangers.

But using a 3/1.....4/1 mixture of portland to.paper makes it very expensive for us. The thing that had attracted me was a lower cost product compared to the machines soil mixture demanded by Rammed Earth.

Our earth bags have fallen and they needed an additional coat of adobecrete.

Until we find a very lowcost method we will not build.

As we all age strenuous hard labor is a no go.

Or is much easier to stick build.

I.do not like stick houses but those earth bags are darn heavy and filling them with a number #10 can is totally stupid. It would take you a year to do one wall if you work 12/14 hour days and drive. 1.5 hours each way to work.

Alternative is in.my heart but when some jerk comes and gives you a $53,000.00 bid to dig a hole to build an under ground house something is wrong.

Charging $100 per hour is beyond our means.

When a home needs to be your business and your home a green house a place for live stock it can not be like LaMars 450-600 squad fro cabin for four people etc.

We have not one piece of equipment to do any of the work.

To get it serviced means a 1-4 hour drive one way. To spend the gas rent a flatbed for. 50 a mile is not practical or financially within our means.

How do you all do it?

We have been working on our place for going on nine yrs and now it is 100% loss.

So starting over is worse than heartbreaking.

Cheaper not backbreaking and doable in a yrs time is what we need.

Calle

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From: MotherReiver <motherreiver@yahoo.com>;
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Recipe for Newbie
Sent: Sun, May 26, 2013 10:19:49 PM

 

You've got lots of great ideas on that channel :) 

From: spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Recipe for Newbie
 
With my similar mixer I used cellulose insulation as a test. It worked OK but it isn't as strong as "normal" pc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbBxpDTFduc&list=UUddwM6czxcAvBUvIXWvln2A&index=16

Look around my channel and you'll see a couple of other mixer designs that work better/faster. You can't just go out and buy one, though :) On 5/26/2013 12:14 PM, MotherReiver wrote:
I bought this:
 
Northern Industrial Portable Cement Mixer with Poly Drum - 2 Cubic Ft., 250 Watt, Model# PCM185
 
I know this isn't very big, but since I'm not real strong and will likely be doing these projects by myself, I didn't want to have to try and create a load and couldn't handle by myself.  I expect to make several small batches.  Adjusting a recipe to suit would be awesome :)
 
Mother

From: Alan mailto:rustaholic777@yahoo.com
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Recipe for Newbie
 
Spaceman,
You must have been in a hurry because Mom said she had, "tons and tons of shredded paper."
 
Mom, We do need to know what you mean by, "I have a portable mixer."
 
Alan
--- On Sat, 5/25/13, spaceman mailto:Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net wrote:

From: spaceman mailto:Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Recipe for Newbie
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 25, 2013, 1:37 PM

Recipes vary a lot depending on the final use of the papercrete. The one I use mostly is about ten pounds of portland cement, five pounds of borax, sixty pounds of dry paper, and enough water to mix, between 150 and 200 gallons. This makes a two mixer full. For durability I increase the portland to paper ratio as much as 1:1. I've seen recipes going up to 4:1 cement to paper, but that always seemed like overkill to me. When you say portable mixer, are you talking about a concrete mixer or mortar mixer? Neither of those is ideal for papercrete though it will eventually do it. If that's what you have you probably want to shred your paper first. I think there are still some recipes in the files area of the group, I'm running late and can't go check right now. spaceman On 5/25/2013 9:58 AM, motherreiver wrote: > Hello all! > > I'm new to this forum but have been watching for a while, and I see I am amongst some papercrete experts :)  I am starting my very first papercrete project and would like your advice on how to begin. > > I have a portable mixer, bought some Portland cement, sand, and have tons and tons of shredded paper.  What I want to do is to create a papercrete short garden wall(s) (probably about 2' high and 4' wide - arched ea.) to plant along my granite hill to add some good dirt and flowers to dot the side of my hill and make use of some good water run off.  Also, I plan to have "stairs" dug in the dirt going up the hill where I would like to make some papercrete stepping stones to make it easier to get up that hill. > > Can you help me with initial recipes (such as how many parts of each ingredient) to make a nice mix to accomplish these goals? > > I thank you all so much for any help you can provide :) > > Mother > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ > Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6356 - Release Date: 05/25/13 > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/ <*> Your email settings:     Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/join     (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email:     papercreters-digest@yahoogroups.com     papercreters-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:     papercreters-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:     http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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