Papercreters: October 2008

Friday, October 31, 2008

RE: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation

If you add a bottle/can of STP or Motor Honey to the grease it will not dry out as fast, Have been adding a dust cap full to trailer axcels for years, and they don't need repacking near as often.

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, ken bolin <bornofthehorses@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: ken bolin <bornofthehorses@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:30 PM
A lot of the guys say (but it has to fight it's way in all that lube) it has run that way for going on 3 years with all most daily use. I have used remote and contact temp gages on it, it never even gets warm at the casing. The blade in the water/paper bath and the tires get a higher temp.
Ken

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Nick Boersema <picknick@sympatico. ca> wrote:
From: Nick Boersema <picknick@sympatico. ca>
Subject: RE: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation
To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 2:16 PM
That is exactly what I would have thought would happen. Water will displace the oil the grease will displace the water.

From: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:papercreter s@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of ken bolin
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:00 PM
To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation
Filling it with bearing lube is what I ended up doing on my e-150 rear end, have not had a drop of water come out of the overflow tube. I had 3 new seals behind the yoke but water still found it's way in and it would it drip out gear oil and water of the overflow. Before the lube fill up job and the gear hum is gone now. I run a fixed position mixer on rollers and it flat got quiet after the lube.
Ken

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, peddler8111 <fpcharnock@earthlin k.net> wrote:
From: peddler8111 <fpcharnock@earthlin k.net>
Subject: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation
To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 1:16 PM
--- In papercreters@ yahoogroups. com, "Nick
 Boersema"
<picknick@...> wrote:
>
>  
> This is from a heavy full-size F350 Van so it should be no problem. 
>  Actually in this application water is the big enemy I would think.
>   Has anyone tried just pumping the Dif full of grease instead of oil? 
>  I do this with my old bush mower that won't hold oil and it has been
> working well for several years now.
> 
> N ick 
> 
I don't see how it would hurt but 90 weight gear oil is hard to beat.
I thin you are worrying too much .


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Wednesday, October 29, 2008

RE: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation

A lot of the guys say (but it has to fight it's way in all that lube) it has run that way for going on 3 years with all most daily use. I have used remote and contact temp gages on it, it never even gets warm at the casing. The blade in the water/paper bath and the tires get a higher temp.
Ken

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Nick Boersema <picknick@sympatico.ca> wrote:

From: Nick Boersema <picknick@sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 2:16 PM
That is exactly what I would have thought would happen. Water will displace the oil the grease will displace the water.

From: papercreters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:papercreters@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ken bolin
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:00 PM
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation
Filling it with bearing lube is what I ended up doing on my e-150 rear end, have not had a drop of water come out of the overflow tube. I had 3 new seals behind the yoke but water still found it's way in and it would it drip out gear oil and water of the overflow. Before the lube fill up job and the gear hum is gone now. I run a fixed position mixer on rollers and it flat got quiet after the lube.
Ken

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, peddler8111 <fpcharnock@earthlin k.net> wrote:
From: peddler8111 <fpcharnock@earthlin k.net>
Subject: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation
To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 1:16 PM
--- In papercreters@ yahoogroups. com, "Nick
 Boersema"
<picknick@...> wrote:
>
>  
> This is from a heavy full-size F350 Van so it should be no problem. 
>  Actually in this application water is the big enemy I would think.
>   Has anyone tried just pumping the Dif full of grease instead of oil? 
>  I do this with my old bush mower that won't hold oil and it has been
> working well for several years now.
> 
> N ick 
> 
I don't see how it would hurt but 90 weight gear oil is hard to beat.
I thin you are worrying too much .


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RE: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation

That is exactly what I would have thought would happen. Water will displace the oil the grease will displace the water.

From: papercreters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:papercreters@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ken bolin
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:00 PM
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation

Filling it with bearing lube is what I ended up doing on my e-150 rear end, have not had a drop of water come out of the overflow tube. I had 3 new seals behind the yoke but water still found it's way in and it would it drip out gear oil and water of the overflow. Before the lube fill up job and the gear hum is gone now. I run a fixed position mixer on rollers and it flat got quiet after the lube.
Ken

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, peddler8111 <fpcharnock@earthlink.net> wrote:

From: peddler8111 <fpcharnock@earthlink.net>
Subject: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 1:16 PM

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Nick  Boersema"
<picknick@...> wrote:
>
>  
> This is from a heavy full-size F350 Van so it should be no problem. 
>  Actually in this application water is the big enemy I would think.
>   Has anyone tried just pumping the Dif full of grease instead of oil? 
>  I do this with my old bush mower that won't hold oil and it has been
> working well for several years now.
> 
> N ick 
> 
I don't see how it would hurt but 90 weight gear oil is hard to beat.
I thin you are worrying too much .


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Re: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation

From: peddler8111 <fpcharnock@earthlink.net>
Subject: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 1:16 PM

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Nick  Boersema"
<picknick@...> wrote:
>
>  
> This is from a heavy full-size F350 Van so it should be no problem. 
>  Actually in this application water is the big enemy I would think.
>   Has anyone tried just pumping the Dif full of grease instead of oil? 
>  I do this with my old bush mower that won't hold oil and it has been
> working well for several years now.
> 
> N ick 
> 
I don't see how it would hurt but 90 weight gear oil is hard to beat.
I thin you are worrying too much .


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[papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Boersema" <picknick@...> wrote:
>
>
> This is from a heavy full-size F350 Van so it should be no problem.
> Actually in this application water is the big enemy I would think.
> Has anyone tried just pumping the Dif full of grease instead of oil?
> I do this with my old bush mower that won't hold oil and it has been
> working well for several years now.
>
> N ick
>
I don't see how it would hurt but 90 weight gear oil is hard to beat.
I thin you are worrying too much .

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RE: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation

This is from a heavy full-size F350 Van so it should be no problem.

Actually in this application water is the big enemy I would think.

Has anyone tried just pumping the Dif full of grease instead of oil?

I do this with my old bush mower that won't hold oil and it has been working well for several years now.

N ick

Dummy me, I was not thinking but it would be easy enough to mount
the axle backward in the first place. Senior moment, I have a not so
new excuse.:}

I really doubt anyone will ever wear one out doing this ,that was good
to begin with. Heat and dirt are the enemies and how much are you
going to use the thing? Replacing it should be much easier than
building it the first time. One idea would be to get the differential
from a medium duty truck , 1/2 ,2 ton etc. It should eliminate any
worry about failure and it would mix a bigger load or multiple loads
at once.
The engine and drive train from a medium truck would allow you to
drive a generator and a pump as well.

I can tell you the sound is unpleasant and magnified by the square of
the distance back home.

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[papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Boersema" <picknick@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Maybe I can google the Ford F350 rear end and see how it looks
> inside.
>
> Nick
>
> _____
>
> From: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:papercreters@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Spaceman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:57 PM
> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation
>
>
>
> Actually there is a difference. There is a cone gear directly below
the yoke
> that is affected by the direction of rotation. When the vehicle is
turning
> the driveshaft to supply power to the wheels, the force tends to
keep that
> gear in place. With the wheels providing the power to rotate the
> differential, the forces are redirected. I have found that there is less
> wear when the yoke is spinning counterclockwise (from above).
Spinning the
> other direction there is a tendency for the cone gear to come loose and
> loose a few teeth by jamming with the other gears.
>
> To reverse the direction is not quite as bad as driving in reverse,
but you
> do need to turn the axle around and put your tongue on the other
side to get
> proper rotation.
>
> DISCLAIMER- YMMV and many people have had success with tow mixers
without
> paying any attention whatsoever to the rotation direction. I'm just
passing
> on my experience, I can't pass on the sound that crunching gears make as
> they are destroying the insides of a differential.
>
> Spaceman
>
>
Hi Spaceman:

Dummy me, I was not thinking but it would be easy enough to mount
the axle backward in the first place. Senior moment, I have a not so
new excuse.:}

I really doubt anyone will ever wear one out doing this ,that was good
to begin with. Heat and dirt are the enemies and how much are you
going to use the thing? Replacing it should be much easier than
building it the first time. One idea would be to get the differential
from a medium duty truck , 1/2 ,2 ton etc. It should eliminate any
worry about failure and it would mix a bigger load or multiple loads
at once.
The engine and drive train from a medium truck would allow you to
drive a generator and a pump as well.

I can tell you the sound is unpleasant and magnified by the square of
the distance back home.

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RE: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation

Thanks Maybe I can google the Ford F350 rear end and see how it looks inside.

Nick

From: papercreters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:papercreters@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Spaceman
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:57 PM
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation

Actually there is a difference. There is a cone gear directly below the yoke that is affected by the direction of rotation. When the vehicle is turning the driveshaft to supply power to the wheels, the force tends to keep that gear in place. With the wheels providing the power to rotate the differential, the forces are redirected. I have found that there is less wear when the yoke is spinning counterclockwise (from above). Spinning the other direction there is a tendency for the cone gear to come loose and loose a few teeth by jamming with the other gears.

To reverse the direction is not quite as bad as driving in reverse, but you do need to turn the axle around and put your tongue on the other side to get proper rotation.

DISCLAIMER- YMMV and many people have had success with tow mixers without paying any attention whatsoever to the rotation direction. I'm just passing on my experience, I can't pass on the sound that crunching gears make as they are destroying the insides of a differential.

Spaceman

peddler8111 wrote:

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Boersema" <picknick@...> wrote:

__ Wow it's just about to cold to make papercrete up here now but as

Murphy

would have it I am finally getting close to getting back to it.  Have my pond almost complete.  I am putting the finishing touches on my camp

trailer

for over by the pond. So life is good and the tow mixer fabrication has moved back up the list to maybe third spot.  I rolled the frame out

of my

shed this morning to get at my table saw and noticed that the

differential

was rotating clockwise when I pulled it out.  This set off some

alarm bells

since it seems to me I read somewhere it should be going counter

clockwise

for longest life?  Can anyone confirm that for me?  If I need to

change it

doing so at this stage will be much easier than later.   Thanx in advance    Nick ,_._,___

Hi Nick The differential is operating normally . When the drive shaft turns it cause the bevel or ring gear to turn and it reverses the dirrection to turn the axles. When a car is being pulled the wheels roll in the opposite direction of when it is powered by the drive shaft. If the wheels rolled forward the trailer would pass the tow vehicle which could be messy. :} The only way to change direction is to drive in reverse. If you can back a short trailer for a mile at 5 miles an hour I will come watch for cars for you . :} Just kidding. The odds of wearing out a differential in any vehicle is low even with hundreds of thousands of miles on them ,they are very reliable mechanisms. It may last longer that way as most of the wear on the device already is from rotating in the other direction. I have no way of estimating the stress mixing papercrete puts on it but at the slow speeds and slow acceleration you will use it at if it is in decent shape now you can count on at least 30k more miles in a worst case scenario that is a lot of papercrete and if you wear the differential out after all that you can afford to rebuild it. Keep it lubed with 90 weight gear oil and worry about something else. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:papercreters-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:papercreters-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: papercreters-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


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Re: [papercreters] Re: Progress on the current project

Still haven't made it to Harbor Freight, but did manage a couple more days of papercrete, building forms, and installing a front door with frame. I put a few more pictures at the website.

Ernie Phelps wrote:

They have one at HF, like $5-6. I looked, but no pressure ratings. Worst case you can test it out reasonably safely by putting the whole thing together, point it at a large empty space (say a few hundred yards of desert) and let er rip. You know the wand won't fail. heh. And after that it would be hard mounted in a barrel so pretty safe there as well.  If you wanted to be safe, you could try surplus. Something like:  http://www.bamko.com/inst.html (scroll down to ANDERSON GREENWOOD 5 VALVED INSTRUMENT MANIFOLD)  - Ernie

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008

[papercreters] Re: Paper, paper and more paper

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "larystoy" <larystoy@...> wrote:

> Next item on the agenda, a shredder!! Looking on E-Bay, a commercial

Hey Larry,

I use barrels to store my paper. But then I had a vitamin company go
out of business and was able to get barrels for nothing. Other than
that a big tarp laid out on the ground then folded over the stacks of
papers.

I tried shreddin my paper before putting it in a tow mixer. For some
reason it did not work very well. I kept getting clumping.

I get old newspapers and magazines from my local library.

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Re: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Boersema" <picknick@...> wrote:

__ Wow it's just about to cold to make papercrete up here now but as

Murphy

would have it I am finally getting close to getting back to it.  Have my pond almost complete.  I am putting the finishing touches on my camp

trailer

for over by the pond. So life is good and the tow mixer fabrication has moved back up the list to maybe third spot.  I rolled the frame out

of my

shed this morning to get at my table saw and noticed that the

differential

was rotating clockwise when I pulled it out.  This set off some

alarm bells

since it seems to me I read somewhere it should be going counter

clockwise

for longest life?  Can anyone confirm that for me?  If I need to

change it

doing so at this stage will be much easier than later.   Thanx in advance    Nick ,_._,___

 
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Re: [papercreters] Re: Dome Roof Solution

Well have heard a few interesting ideas. I did try to go into the files and get a simple recipe for pc.....but once again the computer sprite wins.

It does happen that i have a roll of old , not going to be used carpet and cattle panels. May try to experiment with the carpet/latex concrete idea for a curved roof carport.

Glenna
It is called innocence when it charms us,
and ignorance when it doesn't. Mignon McLaughlin

--- On Mon, 10/27/08, ken bolin <bornofthehorses@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: ken bolin <bornofthehorses@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Dome Roof Solution
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 5:34 PM
Now if its stiff enough throw a few coats of pc on then top coat that with some more paint and your set for about 5 years. You have to allow each coat of pc to cure of course before you add the next.
Ken

--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Paul S. Hetrick <homesteadpaul@ hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Paul S. Hetrick <homesteadpaul@ hotmail.com>
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Dome Roof Solution
To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 3:13 PM
> > Some friends of mine needed to roof a shed in a hurry and ran out 
of 
> > money.  They stapled old sheets to the frame and then painted it 
with 
> > leftover latex paint.  When the second coat was still wet, they 
laid 
>  > another layer of cloth over it and one or two more coats of 

[clip]

> Thanks Paul that is facinating, what climate were they in?

The shed was in the hills of Northern Virginia or just across the 
border into West Virginia.  I forget what side of the line they were 
on.  Think wet muggy summers and a fair amount of snow in the 
winter.  Temps from below 0F to over 100F.

==>paul




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Monday, October 27, 2008

[papercreters] Re: Dome Roof Solution

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Paul S. Hetrick"
<homesteadpaul@...> wrote:
>
>
> > > Some friends of mine needed to roof a shed in a hurry and ran out
> of
> > > money. They stapled old sheets to the frame and then painted it
> with
> > > leftover latex paint. When the second coat was still wet, they
> laid
> > > another layer of cloth over it and one or two more coats of
>
> [clip]
>
> > Thanks Paul that is facinating, what climate were they in?
>
> The shed was in the hills of Northern Virginia or just across the
> border into West Virginia. I forget what side of the line they were
> on. Think wet muggy summers and a fair amount of snow in the
> winter. Temps from below 0F to over 100F.

I would never have thought do that, I will try it in my chicken cage
to block the wind.
>
> ==>paul
>

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[papercreters] Re: carpet roof will work fine

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Charmaine Taylor"
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>
> have decided the carpet is a bad idea as it is really held together
> with glue.
> _______________
>
> I have heqard of several roofs make of cement slurry pressed into the
> fiber surface of old carpet. It is draped over a frame, or timbers
> errected under to make a shape, the carpet can last for decades after
> the cement is on it , it is now a cement roof, and the carpet is
> just the fiber undercoat.
>
> I take the end mesh fiber from carpet rolls- a webbing of 12" wide,
> and tack it to pallets, and smear a cement layer over it to form a
> base for tiling the surface, and it holds up great.
>
> I have used new or old carpet , nailed down on the small pallets ,
> covered in 1" of cement, and then tiled, this is the base of my free
> decking "system" and pathway. I got a ton of free tiles and slates,
> and am making a mosaic on each 2x2 and 3 x3 pallet-- and once placed
> on a brick base the wood pallet should last for may years.
>
> and no mowing for me-- my lumpy uneven property is just weedy, not
> even grassy, so I like to bark the areas that slope, and create free
> paths and walkways to get around
>
> this is the one area I LOV±E cement for use.. a perfect hard surface
> to support other materials
> --
> Ms. Charmaine Taylor/ Taylor Publishing
> 707-441-1632
> www.dirtcheapbuilder.com www. papercrete.com
> PO Box 375, Cutten CA 95534
>

Thanks
I was told by an engineer it would not work but theory is not always
correct , experiance is the best gage. Used carpet is easy to find.

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[papercreters] Fw: Re: Carpet Crete?

--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Dennis Peterson <zyran69@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dennis Peterson <zyran69@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Carpet Crete?
To: papercreters@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 7:05 PM

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "peddler8111" <fpcharnock@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone ever heard of using used carpet a a reinforcement for
> papercrete or ferro cement structures?
> It is a bit heavy but is available free and it seems like it would
> make a very strong wall or roof if embedded into a papercrete , fiber
> adobe or ferrocement slurry..
>

Here is a picture of a carpet crete shed that I collected while surfing for papercrete and ferro cement projects. I have tried doing some experimentation and found the greatest challenge was the weight of the wet carpet. You have to have the burlap or other textile completely soaked and drained before applying the latex concrete. If the substrate is not wet enough, the fibers dry the mixture to fast. I couldn't remember the exact page I saw this on, and I hope the attachment works.

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Re: [papercreters] Re: Dome Roof Solution

Now if its stiff enough throw a few coats of pc on then top coat that with some more paint and your set for about 5 years. You have to allow each coat of pc to cure of course before you add the next.
Ken

--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Paul S. Hetrick <homesteadpaul@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Paul S. Hetrick <homesteadpaul@hotmail.com>
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Dome Roof Solution
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 3:13 PM

> > Some friends of mine needed to roof a shed in a hurry and ran out 
of 
> > money.  They stapled old sheets to the frame and then painted it 
with 
> > leftover latex paint.  When the second coat was still wet, they 
laid 
>  > another layer of cloth over it and one or two more coats of 

[clip]

> Thanks Paul that is facinating, what climate were they in?

The shed was in the hills of Northern Virginia or just across the 
border into West Virginia.  I forget what side of the line they were 
on.  Think wet muggy summers and a fair amount of snow in the 
winter.  Temps from below 0F to over 100F.

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Re: [papercreters] New-bee

Look at the pc as insulation if nothing more but there are tons of ways of doing this get your reading done. Then you will have a better plan of attack or a longer list of ?s lol.
Ken

--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Glenna <ladyglennaelf@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Glenna <ladyglennaelf@yahoo.com>
Subject: [papercreters] New-bee
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 9:32 AM

  Hi folks,
     Was just given this site by a person in another earth building 
site.   I live in the Northwest corner of Louisiana.   I would love 
to try my hand at earthbag dome building.   The first big problem is 
how to water proof for this area.  Would love to not have to put a 
roof on it if i can  get around it.
    We have high humidity, episodes of daily rains followed by weeks 
with no rain and have more days in the 100+ then in freezing.
   When i get a bit more time i hope to look back at previous post.  
But was thinking i would throw out my main issue from the go-get.
    glenna





> I have been reading about making roofs with cement/latex/wood glue
> impregnated fabric {fiberglass fly screens}.
> It seems reasonably feasible to mount  board vertically into the 
dome
> about 3- 4" away from the exterior and building up the skin. You 
would
> have to fabricate a vent at the apex to create the chimney affect. 
> 
> The thing is dry in 12 hours, would totally water proof the 
building ,
> add tremendous strength , and last at least ten years. Probably 
much
> longer if it was power washed and re coated every few years, you 
could
> even  change colors. ANd it is cheap!
> Where I live there are trees for the asking so I am thinking about
> testing the idea by building a carport with the roof and  one end 
and
> one outside wall that way. If I am happy I may forgo the papercrete
> and build a canopy to cover the house , the carport and the 
workshop
> and build a flat roofed timber frame {Southwest Style} . Then make 
the
> walls that way {non-load bearing} and fill them with clay dipped 
straw
> bales to save all that plastering and making the papercrete. 
Actually
> I would have to make one wall , lay the bales, then build the other
> one. Might still use papercrete but if the fabric roof works it 
makes
> the biggest problem, keeping the papercrete dry, disappear. 
> The dome is cool, it might be  the double skin would make it more  
so.
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Re: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation

The biggest thing is your seal behind the yoke that needs to be in tip top shape or mix will get into the rearend and that will lock it up.
Ken

--- On Mon, 10/27/08, peddler8111 <fpcharnock@earthlink.net> wrote:

From: peddler8111 <fpcharnock@earthlink.net>
Subject: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 8:54 AM

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Boersema"
<picknick@...> wrote:
>
> __ Wow it's just about to cold to make papercrete up here now but as
Murphy
> would have it I am finally getting close to getting back to it.  Have my
> pond almost complete.  I am putting the finishing touches on my  camp
trailer
> for over by the pond. So life is good and the tow mixer fabrication has
> moved back up the list to maybe third spot.  I rolled the frame out
of my
> shed this morning to get at my table saw and noticed that the
differential
> was rotating clockwise when I pulled it out.  This set off some
alarm bells
> since it seems to me I read somewhere it should be going counter
clockwise
> for longest life?  Can anyone confirm that for me?  If I need to
change it
> doing so at this stage will be much easier than later.
>  
> Thanx in advance 
>  
> Nick ,_._,___

Hi Nick

The differential is operating normally . When the drive shaft turns it
cause the bevel or ring gear to turn and it reverses the dirrection to
turn the axles.  When a car is being pulled the wheels roll in the
opposite direction of when it is powered by the drive shaft.  If the
wheels rolled forward the trailer would pass the tow vehicle which
could be messy. :} The only way to change direction is to drive in
reverse. If you can back a short  trailer for a mile at 5 miles an
hour I will come watch for cars for you . :}
Just kidding.  The odds of wearing out a differential in any vehicle
is low even with hundreds of thousands of miles on them ,they are very
reliable mechanisms. It may last longer that way as most of the wear
on the device already is from rotating in the other direction. I have
no way of estimating the stress mixing papercrete puts on it but at
the slow speeds and slow acceleration you will use it at if it is in
decent shape now you can count on at least 30k more miles in a worst
case scenario that is a lot of papercrete and if you wear the
differential out after all that you can afford to rebuild it.

Keep it lubed with 90 weight gear oil and worry about  something else.

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[papercreters] Re: Dome Roof Solution

> > Some friends of mine needed to roof a shed in a hurry and ran out
of
> > money. They stapled old sheets to the frame and then painted it
with
> > leftover latex paint. When the second coat was still wet, they
laid
> > another layer of cloth over it and one or two more coats of

[clip]

> Thanks Paul that is facinating, what climate were they in?

The shed was in the hills of Northern Virginia or just across the
border into West Virginia. I forget what side of the line they were
on. Think wet muggy summers and a fair amount of snow in the
winter. Temps from below 0F to over 100F.

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[papercreters] carpet roof will work fine

have decided the carpet is a bad idea as it is really held together
with glue.
_______________

I have heqard of several roofs make of cement slurry pressed into the
fiber surface of old carpet. It is draped over a frame, or timbers
errected under to make a shape, the carpet can last for decades after
the cement is on it , it is now a cement roof, and the carpet is
just the fiber undercoat.

I take the end mesh fiber from carpet rolls- a webbing of 12" wide,
and tack it to pallets, and smear a cement layer over it to form a
base for tiling the surface, and it holds up great.

I have used new or old carpet , nailed down on the small pallets ,
covered in 1" of cement, and then tiled, this is the base of my free
decking "system" and pathway. I got a ton of free tiles and slates,
and am making a mosaic on each 2x2 and 3 x3 pallet-- and once placed
on a brick base the wood pallet should last for may years.

and no mowing for me-- my lumpy uneven property is just weedy, not
even grassy, so I like to bark the areas that slope, and create free
paths and walkways to get around

this is the one area I LOV±E cement for use.. a perfect hard surface
to support other materials
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Ms. Charmaine Taylor/ Taylor Publishing
707-441-1632
www.dirtcheapbuilder.com www. papercrete.com
PO Box 375, Cutten CA 95534

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[papercreters] New-bee

Hi folks,
Was just given this site by a person in another earth building
site. I live in the Northwest corner of Louisiana. I would love
to try my hand at earthbag dome building. The first big problem is
how to water proof for this area. Would love to not have to put a
roof on it if i can get around it.
We have high humidity, episodes of daily rains followed by weeks
with no rain and have more days in the 100+ then in freezing.
When i get a bit more time i hope to look back at previous post.
But was thinking i would throw out my main issue from the go-get.
glenna

> I have been reading about making roofs with cement/latex/wood glue
> impregnated fabric {fiberglass fly screens}.
> It seems reasonably feasible to mount board vertically into the
dome
> about 3- 4" away from the exterior and building up the skin. You
would
> have to fabricate a vent at the apex to create the chimney affect.
>
> The thing is dry in 12 hours, would totally water proof the
building ,
> add tremendous strength , and last at least ten years. Probably
much
> longer if it was power washed and re coated every few years, you
could
> even change colors. ANd it is cheap!
> Where I live there are trees for the asking so I am thinking about
> testing the idea by building a carport with the roof and one end
and
> one outside wall that way. If I am happy I may forgo the papercrete
> and build a canopy to cover the house , the carport and the
workshop
> and build a flat roofed timber frame {Southwest Style} . Then make
the
> walls that way {non-load bearing} and fill them with clay dipped
straw
> bales to save all that plastering and making the papercrete.
Actually
> I would have to make one wall , lay the bales, then build the other
> one. Might still use papercrete but if the fabric roof works it
makes
> the biggest problem, keeping the papercrete dry, disappear.
> The dome is cool, it might be the double skin would make it more
so.
>

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[papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Boersema" <picknick@...> wrote:
>
> __ Wow it's just about to cold to make papercrete up here now but as
Murphy
> would have it I am finally getting close to getting back to it. Have my
> pond almost complete. I am putting the finishing touches on my camp
trailer
> for over by the pond. So life is good and the tow mixer fabrication has
> moved back up the list to maybe third spot. I rolled the frame out
of my
> shed this morning to get at my table saw and noticed that the
differential
> was rotating clockwise when I pulled it out. This set off some
alarm bells
> since it seems to me I read somewhere it should be going counter
clockwise
> for longest life? Can anyone confirm that for me? If I need to
change it
> doing so at this stage will be much easier than later.
>
> Thanx in advance
>
> Nick ,_._,___

Hi Nick

The differential is operating normally . When the drive shaft turns it
cause the bevel or ring gear to turn and it reverses the dirrection to
turn the axles. When a car is being pulled the wheels roll in the
opposite direction of when it is powered by the drive shaft. If the
wheels rolled forward the trailer would pass the tow vehicle which
could be messy. :} The only way to change direction is to drive in
reverse. If you can back a short trailer for a mile at 5 miles an
hour I will come watch for cars for you . :}
Just kidding. The odds of wearing out a differential in any vehicle
is low even with hundreds of thousands of miles on them ,they are very
reliable mechanisms. It may last longer that way as most of the wear
on the device already is from rotating in the other direction. I have
no way of estimating the stress mixing papercrete puts on it but at
the slow speeds and slow acceleration you will use it at if it is in
decent shape now you can count on at least 30k more miles in a worst
case scenario that is a lot of papercrete and if you wear the
differential out after all that you can afford to rebuild it.

Keep it lubed with 90 weight gear oil and worry about something else.

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[papercreters] tow mixer rotation

__ Wow it's just about to cold to make papercrete up here now but as Murphy would have it I am finally getting close to getting back to it. Have my pond almost complete. I am putting the finishing touches on my camp trailer for over by the pond. So life is good and the tow mixer fabrication has moved back up the list to maybe third spot. I rolled the frame out of my shed this morning to get at my table saw and noticed that the differential was rotating clockwise when I pulled it out. This set off some alarm bells since it seems to me I read somewhere it should be going counter clockwise for longest life? Can anyone confirm that for me? If I need to change it doing so at this stage will be much easier than later.

Thanx in advance

Nick ,_._,___

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Sunday, October 26, 2008

[papercreters] lime will not waterproof papercrete

I have readthe lime will waterproof paper crete is this correct or do I
still need to paint with something like drylock to get a good product
for siding an exciting house
===============

NO lime will not do that at all. you can put a finish plaster OVER
papercrete blocks with a lime sand mortar and it will prevent wetness
from going to the inner wall.

you can do a polished lime plaster with a soap and water mix and work
like heck polishing the wall surface and get a water proof wall, but
this is a lot of work and is done mostly in showers and baths to make
a resistant surface.

adding lime to cement only makes the lime plasticize the cement to
make it easier, and is not needed in cheap block making. so save the
money and dont add it there,

using lime plaster over walls will do well, as an inside or outside surfaces.

I DID use a lime + paper Chinese recipe on all the walls in the
bathroom ( not in the shower stall) and in 4 years there has been no
mold, no problems with standing moisture or steam at all. And this
bath is in a small dark north facing room with low light and no fan.
so I tested it there to see how well the fingicidal aspect proved
true, and it does.

IN addition a lime+ sand and paper plaster will not easily burn, even
on direct flame.
we tried it, only smoulders

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[papercreters] Re: Dome Roof Solution--Cheap? You have my interest.

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Robert & Connie" <losee04@...>
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>
> Thanks, Forrest. I believe it is too much coincidence that the burlap
> structure on that link looks like the pictures that were presented here
> and then we never heard any more from the fellow.
>
> I see you have mentioned the wood glue twice now but I did not see that
> mentioned in the materials in the links you gave previously.
>
> How does the wood glue play into all this? I did not see that listed in
> the one link you gave us that did list materials. That one only
> mentioned latex, sand, and concrete, if I remember correctly.
>
> Also, I wonder why the "life" expectancy is only around ten years with
> such a large amount of cement in it. What is deteriorating in that
> time frame...the latex or the fiberglass? And why? Moisture? Or UV?
>
> Inquiring minds wanna know....
>
> Connie

Hi Connie:

I forget which recipe recommended adding the wood glue but it makes
since as it would bond to the wood very well and has good
waterproofing qualities. It is not mandatory . As far as the 10 year
figure they said it wold last at least that long not that it could not
last longer , all these people are a bit vague. I am originally from
S.E. Texas and paint there does not last 10 years . One of the sources
was using this method in Africa in a very hot climate.
The only personal experience I have had with latex /cement was on hot
tar roofs in S.E.Texas, a process called called snowtopping that is
probably much harder on the material than this would be . It required
a light coat every 3 to 5 years to maintain the appearance.

No one indicated it would have to be replaced in ten years just that
it would last at least that long without maintenance. With the snow
tops we made money at .15 cents a foot for recoats and the recoats
were pretty thick , maybe 3/8th" to 5/8ths " were this whole process
is only that thick . That was a long time ago so it might cost more
now but I would not worry to much. You have maintain most things and
like I said we made money at that price. .

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[papercreters] Re: Dome Roof Solution

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>
>
> Some friends of mine needed to roof a shed in a hurry and ran out of
> money. They stapled old sheets to the frame and then painted it with
> leftover latex paint. When the second coat was still wet, they laid
> another layer of cloth over it and one or two more coats of paint.
>
> They hoped it would last the winter. The last I heard it was still
> water-tight after 6 or 7 years. They repained it once, mainly to
> change the color.
>
> I'm sure starting with fiberglass instead of old sheets and adding the
> cement and sand would make it even more durable.
>
> ==>paul

Thanks Paul that is facinating, what climate were they in?
I have decided the carpet is a bad idea as it is really held together
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Friday, October 31, 2008

RE: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation

Wednesday, October 29, 2008

RE: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation

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Re: [papercreters] Re: Progress on the current project

Tuesday, October 28, 2008

[papercreters] Re: Paper, paper and more paper

Re: [papercreters] Re: tow mixer rotation

Re: [papercreters] Re: Dome Roof Solution

Monday, October 27, 2008

[papercreters] Re: Dome Roof Solution

[papercreters] Re: carpet roof will work fine

[papercreters] Fw: Re: Carpet Crete?

Re: [papercreters] Re: Dome Roof Solution

Re: [papercreters] New-bee

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