Thursday, December 12, 2019

[papercreters] Re: Opening messages in the downloaded archive



keep going Ken! and BLAKE you are a blessing!


--


Charmaine Visnesky Taylor 
back of beyond PacNW


__._,_.___

Posted by: "C. C. Visnesky" <charmainertaylor@gmail.com>



__,_._,___

Wednesday, December 11, 2019

Re: [papercreters] Opening messages in the downloaded archive



Hi Ken -

Depending on how the data is structured you can pretty easily convert json data to CSV files via online tools like this:

Otherwise, there are more options available. 

Gero

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 3:22 PM ken winston caine ken.winston.caine@gmail.com [papercreters] <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Am finding files and photos are well-preserved in the unzipped download. However, messages are saved in javascript notation (.json files). And while they can be opened easily with notepad or other text viewer, they display in a form like page source once opened. A lot of code..

Am new to converting .json files and my Googling so far has not turned up a way to open them so that they display just the messages and comments without all the extraneous source code. If anyone knows a trick to do that, please, please share with us.



__._,_.___

Posted by: Gero Bazant <gero.bazant@gmail.com>



__,_._,___

Re: [papercreters] Opening messages in the downloaded archive



Hey Ken,

See my other post. Working on it ;-)

Regards,

Blake


On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 at 07:22, ken winston caine ken.winston.caine@gmail.com [papercreters] <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Am finding files and photos are well-preserved in the unzipped download. However, messages are saved in javascript notation (.json files). And while they can be opened easily with notepad or other text viewer, they display in a form like page source once opened. A lot of code..

Am new to converting .json files and my Googling so far has not turned up a way to open them so that they display just the messages and comments without all the extraneous source code. If anyone knows a trick to do that, please, please share with us.



__._,_.___

Posted by: Blake Robertson <blake@connectra.com.au>



__,_._,___

Re: [papercreters] Thank you, Blake!



Hi Ken,

Absolutely my pleasure. It took a bit of doing  - Yahoo's servers are responding very slowly at the moment, mainly I think because there is a loosely coordinated, massive, global "confederation of geeks" trying to archive as much as possible before it all gets deleted. I was able to take the backup only because they have made their "geek majic" tools available and I speak just enough geek to have been able to puzzle through the right incarnations to get their stuff to function. From all accounts the official backup Y! offer members is terrible and "woefully incomplete". What we have is a better backup. So, anyway, everyone remember to hug a hacker today. They're the one who made this possible.

I'm hoping to do more with the backup in the near future. The archive of files and pictures is usable now, but the discussions - whilst in the backup - aren't preserved in a way that makes it easy to use. I'm aware of one tool that has been hacked together to "de-yahoo-ify" the format and convert it to something useful, so I'll put some time into that in the next week or so. The authors of the tool have stated that it isn't 100% though because Y! obfuscate the data somewhat.

I'm also going to try and figure out how (if) I can get the archive online and searchable through a web page. If I can pull that off I'll set it up and make it available.

Interesting to think that 10 - 15 years ago Groups was where Faceplant is now, but less ubiquitous. I think Y! deleting the archives is a tragedy. It is, honestly, inexcusable.  They could easily have handed the complete archive over to archive.org and none of this would be required. Instead, they burn the library of Alexandria all over again. (Although, yes, I know it was only a warehouse of scrolls that burned, and not the actual library, but the point remains intact...)

If anyone has any thoughts/requests/suggestions/questions/etc please let me know!

Regards,
Blake


On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 at 02:16, ken winston caine ken.winston.caine@gmail.com [papercreters] <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

...for rescuing the data and making it available.



__._,_.___

Posted by: Blake Robertson <blake@connectra.com.au>



__,_._,___

[papercreters] Opening messages in the downloaded archive



Am finding files and photos are well-preserved in the unzipped download. However, messages are saved in javascript notation (.json files). And while they can be opened easily with notepad or other text viewer, they display in a form like page source once opened. A lot of code..

Am new to converting .json files and my Googling so far has not turned up a way to open them so that they display just the messages and comments without all the extraneous source code. If anyone knows a trick to do that, please, please share with us.


__._,_.___

Posted by: ken winston caine <ken.winston.caine@gmail.com>



__,_._,___

[papercreters] Blake's downloadable full archive of group...



... is 879MB. 

In case you missed the link he posted, here it is again:
https://filedn.com/lt4cu6M6VUgY7dnSwTwww5j/  


__._,_.___

Posted by: ken winston caine <ken.winston.caine@gmail.com>



__,_._,___

[papercreters] Thank you, Blake!



...for rescuing the data and making it available.


__._,_.___

Posted by: ken winston caine <ken.winston.caine@gmail.com>



__,_._,___

Re: [papercreters] Re: Is Spaceman the administrator?



I see a few of my videos are on there too. To update my papercrete adventure. I built 2 small buildings and was living in them. One had a bad mold problem and then other caught fire and I lost half or it. I will fill in details later.



From: papercreters@yahoogroups.com <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Gero Bazant gero.bazant@gmail.com [papercreters] <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 6:35:04 PM
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Is Spaceman the administrator?
 
 

Just found slurryguy's YouTube channel. He's only got a few videos on there. However, one of them appear to be a montage of most pictures that existed on the Yahoo Group. Hey, at least it's worth something...


Gero 



__._,_.___

Posted by: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@hotmail.com>



__,_._,___

Re: [papercreters] Re: Is Spaceman the administrator?



Hi all,

As groups.io are not accepting new requests to "port" yahoo groups to their platform anymore and Yahoo are deliberately making data extraction difficult, I've taken the liberty of downloading almost everything for the group that is on Yahoo. Some messages were unretrievable, I think due to errors on the server(s).

I haven't yet had time to disentangle the message archive from Yahoo's proprietary storage system as I'm also grabbing several other groups before Y! hit the big red switch,, however I have uploaded the archive to https://filedn.com/lt4cu6M6VUgY7dnSwTwww5j/ where anyone who wants it is quite welcome to grab a copy.


Regards,

Blake


On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 at 11:11, JUDITH WILLIAMS williams_judith@hotmail.com [papercreters] <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

We lost track of slurryguy even when the group was still active. We have not been able to find him. I am not sure of the chronology of the group(s). The other person I remember who was very involved was Charmaine Taylor but I have not heard from her in years.


From: papercreters@yahoogroups.com <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of KIm Travis gartht@windstream.net [papercreters] <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 3:28:37 PM
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Is Spaceman the administrator?
 
 

No, the original pappercrete group may have started as an egroup, then was bought out by yahoo.  It died down, then was resurected by hacking to become this papercrete group. I know, I have been around since the beginning, but I have not been an admin.  I have a bunch of other groups, one that started as an egroup as well.  The Houston Renewable Energy Group is that old too.  But it has basically moved to facebook so I won't be working to save it.

Kim Travis, aka Airdriel in the old days.

On 12/10/2019 4:23 PM, ken winston caine ken.winston.caine@gmail.com [papercreters] wrote:
 
Thank you, Judith.

So it looks like we need to find Slurry Guy and see if he's intetested in exporting the files and posts to groups.io or in letting someone else attempt an export.

Am confused as to the statement that this is the "old group." Is there a new group that already imported this group's data and which is the one we REALLY should be trying to save the data from?

I am on daily digest for this group and Yahoo appears already to have turned off my ability to change that. So it's a little difficult for me to catch replies quickly. (I'm looking in on the web interface periodically to see if there are replies.)





On Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 1:11 PM ken winston caine <ken.winston.caine@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone know how to reach him quickly?

If he's not interested in exporting the data (uploaded files, posts, etc.) from the group in the next couple days (before Dec. 14 when it all disappears), and wants me to, I can devote a FEW hours to it if he grants me admin access.

If he says OK, go, first I'll check out io's requirements for importing everything. And cost -- if any. If it's free and something I can set up in a few hours, I'll do that. If not, I'll access Yahoo Groups export tool and export everything to a hard drive from which it later can -- hopefully -- be transferred to another home. I have very few hours I can devote to this this week. The sooner you can let me know, the better.

Can anyone help by contacting Spaceman and finding out his interest in this?

Thanks.

k. winston caine



__._,_.___

Posted by: Blake Robertson <blake@connectra.com.au>



__,_._,___

Tuesday, December 10, 2019

[papercreters] ATT: Charmaine



I had thought Spaceman (and/or maybe Charmaine) was the administrator. I was wrong about Spaceman. (And, I see now, looking at old messages, that it's been eight years since I've had a conversation with him. Probably been about that long since I ordered any materials from Charmaine, too.

Charmaine has posted here a couple or more times in the past week. 

If you see this, Charmaine, and if you have admin status here and can convey that to me so that I can try to rescue the group's data, please do. 




__._,_.___

Posted by: ken winston caine <ken.winston.caine@gmail.com>



__,_._,___

Re: [papercreters] Re: Is Spaceman the administrator?



Just found slurryguy's YouTube channel. He's only got a few videos on there. However, one of them appear to be a montage of most pictures that existed on the Yahoo Group. Hey, at least it's worth something...


Gero 


__._,_.___

Posted by: Gero Bazant <gero.bazant@gmail.com>



__,_._,___

Re: [papercreters] Re: Is Spaceman the administrator?



We lost track of slurryguy even when the group was still active. We have not been able to find him. I am not sure of the chronology of the group(s). The other person I remember who was very involved was Charmaine Taylor but I have not heard from her in years.



From: papercreters@yahoogroups.com <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of KIm Travis gartht@windstream.net [papercreters] <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 3:28:37 PM
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Is Spaceman the administrator?
 
 

No, the original pappercrete group may have started as an egroup, then was bought out by yahoo.  It died down, then was resurected by hacking to become this papercrete group. I know, I have been around since the beginning, but I have not been an admin.  I have a bunch of other groups, one that started as an egroup as well.  The Houston Renewable Energy Group is that old too.  But it has basically moved to facebook so I won't be working to save it.

Kim Travis, aka Airdriel in the old days.

On 12/10/2019 4:23 PM, ken winston caine ken.winston.caine@gmail.com [papercreters] wrote:
 
Thank you, Judith.

So it looks like we need to find Slurry Guy and see if he's intetested in exporting the files and posts to groups.io or in letting someone else attempt an export.

Am confused as to the statement that this is the "old group." Is there a new group that already imported this group's data and which is the one we REALLY should be trying to save the data from?

I am on daily digest for this group and Yahoo appears already to have turned off my ability to change that. So it's a little difficult for me to catch replies quickly. (I'm looking in on the web interface periodically to see if there are replies.)





On Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 1:11 PM ken winston caine <ken.winston.caine@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone know how to reach him quickly?

If he's not interested in exporting the data (uploaded files, posts, etc.) from the group in the next couple days (before Dec. 14 when it all disappears), and wants me to, I can devote a FEW hours to it if he grants me admin access.

If he says OK, go, first I'll check out io's requirements for importing everything. And cost -- if any. If it's free and something I can set up in a few hours, I'll do that. If not, I'll access Yahoo Groups export tool and export everything to a hard drive from which it later can -- hopefully -- be transferred to another home. I have very few hours I can devote to this this week. The sooner you can let me know, the better.

Can anyone help by contacting Spaceman and finding out his interest in this?

Thanks.

k. winston caine



__._,_.___

Posted by: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@hotmail.com>



__,_._,___

Re: [papercreters] moving group



oops, sorry, not sure how the double dot got into the address...
 

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 1:25 AM Vickey McDonald vickeym@gmail.com [papercreters] <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I clicked on your link and got a message that it was an invalid url.


On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 11:11 AM Gero Bazant gero.bazant@gmail.com [papercreters] <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Not directly related to the group-moving discussion... 8 years ago I created a Wiki on WikiDot (http://papercrete.wikidot.com/) - I would be happy to transfer ownership to whoever is interested in building that out.

Gero

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 7:11 AM KIm Travis gartht@windstream.net [papercreters] <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Most of my yahoo groups that are active have moved to https://groups.io  That is an option.



__._,_.___

Posted by: Gero Bazant <gero.bazant@gmail.com>



__,_._,___

Re: [papercreters] Re: Is Spaceman the administrator?



No, the original pappercrete group may have started as an egroup, then was bought out by yahoo.  It died down, then was resurected by hacking to become this papercrete group. I know, I have been around since the beginning, but I have not been an admin.  I have a bunch of other groups, one that started as an egroup as well.  The Houston Renewable Energy Group is that old too.  But it has basically moved to facebook so I won't be working to save it.

Kim Travis, aka Airdriel in the old days.

On 12/10/2019 4:23 PM, ken winston caine ken.winston.caine@gmail.com [papercreters] wrote:
 
Thank you, Judith.

So it looks like we need to find Slurry Guy and see if he's intetested in exporting the files and posts to groups.io or in letting someone else attempt an export.

Am confused as to the statement that this is the "old group." Is there a new group that already imported this group's data and which is the one we REALLY should be trying to save the data from?

I am on daily digest for this group and Yahoo appears already to have turned off my ability to change that. So it's a little difficult for me to catch replies quickly. (I'm looking in on the web interface periodically to see if there are replies.)





On Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 1:11 PM ken winston caine <ken.winston.caine@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone know how to reach him quickly?

If he's not interested in exporting the data (uploaded files, posts, etc.) from the group in the next couple days (before Dec. 14 when it all disappears), and wants me to, I can devote a FEW hours to it if he grants me admin access.

If he says OK, go, first I'll check out io's requirements for importing everything. And cost -- if any. If it's free and something I can set up in a few hours, I'll do that. If not, I'll access Yahoo Groups export tool and export everything to a hard drive from which it later can -- hopefully -- be transferred to another home. I have very few hours I can devote to this this week. The sooner you can let me know, the better.

Can anyone help by contacting Spaceman and finding out his interest in this?

Thanks.

k. winston caine


__._,_.___

Posted by: KIm Travis <gartht@windstream.net>



__,_._,___

[papercreters] Re: Is Spaceman the administrator?



Thank you, Judith.

So it looks like we need to find Slurry Guy and see if he's intetested in exporting the files and posts to groups.io or in letting someone else attempt an export.

Am confused as to the statement that this is the "old group." Is there a new group that already imported this group's data and which is the one we REALLY should be trying to save the data from?

I am on daily digest for this group and Yahoo appears already to have turned off my ability to change that. So it's a little difficult for me to catch replies quickly. (I'm looking in on the web interface periodically to see if there are replies.)





On Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 1:11 PM ken winston caine <ken.winston.caine@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone know how to reach him quickly?

If he's not interested in exporting the data (uploaded files, posts, etc.) from the group in the next couple days (before Dec. 14 when it all disappears), and wants me to, I can devote a FEW hours to it if he grants me admin access.

If he says OK, go, first I'll check out io's requirements for importing everything. And cost -- if any. If it's free and something I can set up in a few hours, I'll do that. If not, I'll access Yahoo Groups export tool and export everything to a hard drive from which it later can -- hopefully -- be transferred to another home. I have very few hours I can devote to this this week. The sooner you can let me know, the better.

Can anyone help by contacting Spaceman and finding out his interest in this?

Thanks.

k. winston caine


__._,_.___

Posted by: ken winston caine <ken.winston.caine@gmail.com>



__,_._,___

Re: [papercreters] Is Spaceman the administrator?



I am still in touch with spaceman and sent him a copy of this email on messenger. This is how reply.
Yahoo took me to the message, but doesn't let me answer it. I can't sign in, don't remember any of the information and yahoo doesn't accept my best remembered user name. AFAIK I was never an admin in that group, it was Slurry Guy, Jay Hawks, and I lost touch with him long ago. I'd love it if someone is able to preserve the information and would like to get a copy! This isn't the same group as papercreteres, it's the prior group that we had to hack into because the original owner lost interest and let it go to spam.



From: papercreters@yahoogroups.com <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of ken winston caine ken.winston.caine@gmail.com [papercreters] <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 1:11:26 PM
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [papercreters] Is Spaceman the administrator?
 
 

Anyone know how to reach him quickly?

If he's not interested in exporting the data (uploaded files, posts, etc.) from the group in the next couple days (before Dec. 14 when it all disappears), and wants me to, I can devote a FEW hours to it if he grants me admin access.

If he says OK, go, first I'll check out io's requirements for importing everything. And cost -- if any. If it's free and something I can set up in a few hours, I'll do that. If not, I'll access Yahoo Groups export tool and export everything to a hard drive from which it later can -- hopefully -- be transferred to another home. I have very few hours I can devote to this this week. The sooner you can let me know, the better.

Can anyone help by contacting Spaceman and finding out his interest in this?

Thanks.

k. winston caine



__._,_.___

Posted by: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@hotmail.com>



__,_._,___

[papercreters] Is Spaceman the administrator?



Anyone know how to reach him quickly?

If he's not interested in exporting the data (uploaded files, posts, etc.) from the group in the next couple days (before Dec. 14 when it all disappears), and wants me to, I can devote a FEW hours to it if he grants me admin access.

If he says OK, go, first I'll check out io's requirements for importing everything. And cost -- if any. If it's free and something I can set up in a few hours, I'll do that. If not, I'll access Yahoo Groups export tool and export everything to a hard drive from which it later can -- hopefully -- be transferred to another home. I have very few hours I can devote to this this week. The sooner you can let me know, the better.

Can anyone help by contacting Spaceman and finding out his interest in this?

Thanks.

k. winston caine


__._,_.___

Posted by: ken winston caine <ken.winston.caine@gmail.com>



__,_._,___

Newer Posts Older Posts Home