Am really pleased to see a resurgance of interest. But this group and all its resources is scheduled to disappear (along with every other Yahoo Group) in just seven days.
We need to establish a new home. Quickly. And we'll be starting from scratch since all these files will be wiped.
On Sat, Dec 7, 2019, 9:17 PM <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: Is this papercreters group still active?
From: KIm Travis
1b. Re: Is this papercreters group still active?
From: KIm Travis
2a. Re: LET'S RESTART THE PAPERCRETE group into the NEW YEAR??
From: C. C. Visnesky
2b. Re: LET'S RESTART THE PAPERCRETE group into the NEW YEAR??
From: Blake Robertson
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1a. Re: Is this papercreters group still active?
Posted by: "KIm Travis" gartht@windstream.net airdriel
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2019 3:31 am ((PST))
Yes, I have tested several mixes. They don't burn they smolder, and
turn to ash over a long period of time if they catch fire. A mixture of
at least 50% cement is needed to prevent this.
On 12/6/2019 8:03 PM, eo greensticks eogreensticks@gmail.com
[papercreters] wrote:
> this appears just as i was thinking about papercrete!
> i make ferrocement sculptures and often have used some paper in the
> top coat, the sculpted layer, because it is easier to work with and
> 'softer' than concrete but i have some concern about the longevity of
> the papercrete. So far the early ones are holding up- i have
> waterproofed them and the percentage of paper pulp is not high...
> Has anyone tested paperadobe for bushfire resistance? bush fires are
> increasingly a problem-i have read that if the mineral content in the
> mix is high enough, then papercrete won't burn but of course Portland
> cement will burn out where clay will not. Could i substitute clay for
> the PC?
> cheers, eo
>
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1b. Re: Is this papercreters group still active?
Posted by: "KIm Travis" gartht@windstream.net airdriel
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2019 3:54 am ((PST))
That was not the issue, we were using it on the roof, expecting we had
until October to get the job done, the rains hit hard in August and
stayed until March is serious mudpit season. No way to fully protect
what we had done and the weight of it has cracked the rafters. The
papercrete is fine, it stays nice, but the weight of a wet roof.....
On 12/6/2019 9:25 PM, Vickey McDonald vickeym@gmail.com [papercreters]
wrote:
> I know they require what is known as "tall boots and a big hat."
>
> As in it needs to be well up off the ground level and have good, large
> overhangs to protect it from rain, puddles, snow, etc.
>
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 8:32 AM KIm Travis gartht@windstream.net
> <mailto:gartht@windstream.net> [papercreters]
> <papercreters@yahoogroups.com <mailto:papercreters@yahoogroups.com>>
> wrote:
>
> We had an epic failure due to early rains, so for now, we are not
> using papercrete, but we will be back at it, one of these years.
> We are in Texas,
>
>
> On 12/6/2019 9:54 AM, clarke2 clarke2@znet.com
> <mailto:clarke2@znet.com> [papercreters] wrote:
>>
>> I continue to be interested and collect cardboard in anticipation of
>> building a mixer and making walls and decorations for my homestead.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>
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2a. Re: LET'S RESTART THE PAPERCRETE group into the NEW YEAR??
Posted by: "C. C. Visnesky" charmainertaylor@gmail.com charmaine49
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2019 4:20 pm ((PST))
I am cheered to see so many response from people I know, who have worked on
PC a long time.. EO and Kim, and newbies..
lets BEGIN again toward the new year, and help the newly interested and
re-encourage the experienced.
Since i am retired i am willing to post all the resources and book
chapters, as well as links to full info
and there is data on DL format via the system under Dropbox.
Mmike mccain created very simply paper chopping system NOT the barrel
mixer and less costly.
if there is interest I can post pics of the design.
Last on Dec 15 2009 I sold www.dirtcheapbuilder.com to a new owner in MT,
Tom Expel a stop builder.
DCB is still running with new titles, but is NOT papercerete focused.
I kept my Papercrete.com business, and all publications I created as well
as the old, out of print materials from the 1900s.
and now it exists only on FB, and is inactive. I'd RATHER be active here to
get people started than run a business again.
If people want specific books/DVDs see Tom Epel's www.dirtcheapbuilder.com
I've always held "PAPERCRETE IS AN IDEA" inventive people use what they
HAVE! - for more 20 years I have seen it also include dry seaweed, pumice,
styrofoam waste, pulverized rice hulls (RHA), chopped fishing line-
polypropylene fibers and waste,sawdust, Redwood sawdust (my favorite!
already chopped, wont burn easily, won't mold and available on many areas
of the west coast.) Other ORGANIC fibers have been used - HEMP bast, dry
brush & weeds, chopped straw, as well as non organic (the poly fibers and
ground up waste).
As well as Latex paint, Fly Ash, hydrated lime, brick dust, and pozzolanic
materials all have been tried to some level of success.
SO MUCH IS ALREADY KNOWN LET'S GET IT OUT THERE AGAIN TO THOSE WHO WANT TO
USE IT!
Here are some links, MOST should work, I have not checked..but they give a
wide range of connecting interests.
And there ARE and WERE COMMERCIAL building and experimental groups,
individuals, and hundreds of youtube videos still available.
Alternative-low cost building email group:
organic_architecture@yahoogroups.com
www.livinginpaper.com <<< Papercrete building-extensive site
www.earthbagbuilding.com Kelly Hart's earthbag site
www.davidsheen.com << Amazing cob & earth building
www.daycreek.com <<< CORDWOOD-papercrete
www.middlepath.au.com << EARTHEN floor
http://cobprojects.info/index.htm <<< COB resources
www.okokok.org << Earthbag homes
www.hollowtop.com - Stone wall, Slipform building
www.earthhouse.info <<< Earthen/Domes
www.ferrocement.com << Cement-dome-FERRO
http://photos.itsa.info/ << Domes and ferro homes
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5917 << Woodland cordwood hobbit home in
Wales
http://mha-net.org <<< Masonry Stove Builders- best site on fireplaces and
stoves
www.solarcooking.org <<< Solar-off grid
www.strawbuilding.org <<< California Strawbale resource group
www.glassford.com.au <<< Strawbale builder in AUSTRALIA
--
*Charmaine Visnesky Taylor *
*back of beyond PacNW*
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2b. Re: LET'S RESTART THE PAPERCRETE group into the NEW YEAR??
Posted by: "Blake Robertson" blake@connectra.com.au baud_ryder
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2019 5:36 pm ((PST))
Hey Charmaine,
Awesome to see a post from you again - it's been a long time. I still have
bags of shredded paper in prep for the slipform wall I wanted to build as a
test... but never quite got around too. I for one would certainly be glad
to see the group reinvigorated.
I'm wondering if email lists, like this, might experience a resurgence in
spite of the Faceborg Apocalypse in the same way that vinyl has in the face
of CDs and now music streaming. One can hope; I find much gets lost in the
FB model of "community" - which seems to mean being attached to the
umbilical every moment so you don't miss anything because if you do, it's
really hard to find later and then, even if you find it, the herd have
moved on to the latest post and only the latest post.
Anyway, as an aside, if you want to fire up the papercrete.com domain and
use that as a web presence I have some server space I'm not using and can
help set it up. Or install joomla or wordpress or whatever you might want
to use. Just ping me directly if you'd like to follow up on that.
Oh, also, a tip I discovered with the shredded paper. If you're like me and
using an old industrial shredder and wind up with lots of shredded paper,
the bags you can buy that are like huge cliplock plastic bags and have the
valve for the vacuum are excellent for storing shredded paper you don't yet
need.
Regards,
Blake
On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 10:20, 'C. C. Visnesky' charmainertaylor@gmail.com
[papercreters] <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> I am cheered to see so many response from people I know, who have worked
> on PC a long time.. EO and Kim, and newbies..
> lets BEGIN again toward the new year, and help the newly interested and
> re-encourage the experienced.
>
> Since i am retired i am willing to post all the resources and book
> chapters, as well as links to full info
> and there is data on DL format via the system under Dropbox.
>
> Mmike mccain created very simply paper chopping system NOT the barrel
> mixer and less costly.
> if there is interest I can post pics of the design.
>
> Last on Dec 15 2009 I sold www.dirtcheapbuilder.com to a new owner in MT,
> Tom Expel a stop builder.
> DCB is still running with new titles, but is NOT papercerete focused.
>
> I kept my Papercrete.com business, and all publications I created as well
> as the old, out of print materials from the 1900s.
> and now it exists only on FB, and is inactive. I'd RATHER be active here
> to get people started than run a business again.
>
> If people want specific books/DVDs see Tom Epel's www.dirtcheapbuilder.com
>
> I've always held "PAPERCRETE IS AN IDEA" inventive people use what they
> HAVE! - for more 20 years I have seen it also include dry seaweed, pumice,
> styrofoam waste, pulverized rice hulls (RHA), chopped fishing line-
> polypropylene fibers and waste,sawdust, Redwood sawdust (my favorite!
> already chopped, wont burn easily, won't mold and available on many areas
> of the west coast.) Other ORGANIC fibers have been used - HEMP bast, dry
> brush & weeds, chopped straw, as well as non organic (the poly fibers and
> ground up waste).
> As well as Latex paint, Fly Ash, hydrated lime, brick dust, and
> pozzolanic materials all have been tried to some level of success.
>
> SO MUCH IS ALREADY KNOWN LET'S GET IT OUT THERE AGAIN TO THOSE WHO WANT TO
> USE IT!
>
> Here are some links, MOST should work, I have not checked..but they give a
> wide range of connecting interests.
>
> And there ARE and WERE COMMERCIAL building and experimental groups,
> individuals, and hundreds of youtube videos still available.
>
> Alternative-low cost building email group:
> organic_architecture@yahoogroups.com
>
> www.livinginpaper.com <<< Papercrete building-extensive site
>
> www.earthbagbuilding.com Kelly Hart's earthbag site
>
> www.davidsheen.com << Amazing cob & earth building
> www.daycreek.com <<< CORDWOOD-papercrete
>
> www.middlepath.au.com << EARTHEN floor
>
> http://cobprojects.info/index.htm <<< COB resources
>
> www.okokok.org << Earthbag homes
>
> www..hollowtop.com <http://www.hollowtop.com> - Stone wall, Slipform
> building
>
> www.earthhouse.info <<< Earthen/Domes
>
> www.ferrocement.com << Cement-dome-FERRO
> http://photos.itsa.info/ << Domes and ferro homes
>
> http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5917 << Woodland cordwood hobbit home in
> Wales
> http://mha-net.org <<< Masonry Stove Builders- best site on fireplaces
> and stoves
>
> www.solarcooking.org <<< Solar-off grid
>
> www.strawbuilding.org <<< California Strawbale resource group
>
> www.glassford.com.au <<< Strawbale builder in AUSTRALIA
> --
>
>
> *Charmaine Visnesky Taylor *
> *back of beyond PacNW*
>
>
>
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