Friday, June 22, 2012

Re: [papercreters] Re: Walk in cooler



Adobe structures do not maintain any temperature. They lag the outside temperature change by a time period dependent on the thickness of the adobe. If designed right, the lag will be approximately 12 hours so that at noon you are getting the effects of the midnight temperatures, and the opposite. Adobe acts as a "thermal flywheel". There are times when the inside temperature is higher than the outside temperature. There are times when the inside and outside temperatures are equal. The inside temperature is not always 20% below ambient.


On 6/22/2012 8:16 AM, Forrest Charnock wrote:
Adobe structures typically maintain a temperature 20% below ambient in  temperature.  When it is 100 outside it will be approximately 80 inside.  The structure I suggested will be a bit better if you use the thick  stucco layers inside and , if possible outside.   A double layer roof with aluminum underneath the first will reflect a  great deal of the solar radiation. An 18" this insulation would be  advisable for the roof. One of the beauties of the rice is it allows  you a very thick roof at a fraction of the weight . Of course  cellulose is even lighter but the cost goes way up.  The roof is 80  percent of the summer heat load.    In Austin I would use a dirt , cement , or tile floor with no  insulation underneath. The advantage of using the heat sink of the  earth in summer is greater than any loss in the short Central Texas  winter.    If 70 degrees is satisfactory that will take a very small a/c . If you  don't know how to size them hire a pro because the trick is to build a  system that runs continually. Often a multi-stage unit is most  efficient. There are few things more important in the efficiency of  cooling than the ac itself. The upfront cost is not the most important  but long term efficiency. I had a house in Houston in the 80's that  was built in 1911 and leaked badly. Similar houses in that  neighborhood , Northside  off North Main Street , had light bills of  250 to 300 in the summer. Mine never hit 100 because I had a carrier 3  stage . I paid 2 grand more than I had to but it was well worth the  extra.    If you need the 50 degrees you mentioned before you will need to get a  pro to suggest the equipment. Finding a used unit to salvage the doors  at least might be a good idea.  A good a/c should give you 65 if it is sized correctly.                  On 6/21/12, highdesertpermaculture <christine@bayhouse.com> wrote:  
    How do you intend to actually cool it?    I know that basements can be kept at around 70 "or so", but above ground  that'll take serious electricity.  We're building a farmstand right now and  I sure wish we could store fruit and veggie for sale.    Christine    --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "brightsideatx" <farump@...> wrote:  
  Howdy!  I'm designing a new walk in cooler to be built via a workshop format for  an urban farming non profit here in Austin, TX.  I want to keep this thing  at or below 50F year round but never frozen.  It gets up to 110 here some  days, and can be over 90 every day for six months at a time, sometimes  humid, sometimes dry, sometimes thunder storms, and freezing maybe ten  days a year.  I started out thinking of using straw bale, but I'm  concerned it would rot due to constant condensation in the bale wall.  Then I thought earthbag, but apparently it's not very insulative unless  you can fill it with volcanic scoria gravel which we do not have here.  I'm going for a more eco friendly and cheaper option than shed with foam  panels, so what do you think, is papercrete the thing to use?  What is the  optimal mix for insulating / structural walls?  Is it feasible to pour a papercrete floor over some gravel and sand bags  to insulate from the earth as well?  Do you think it would be a moldy  mess?  This thing needs to be as cheap and easy to build as possible, any  thoughts would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!    
      
    




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