Sunday, April 4, 2010

Re: [papercreters] Re: Obtaining paper



Joel,
This sounds like a great "cheap" way to build a wall.  But I would caution against it for a couple of reasons. 

One would be that, depending on the size of the book, you would need a threaded rod for each stack just to keep them from buckling when you tightened down the top plate.  (That sounds very expensive to me even if it was only 1/4" all-thread)  Of course you could weld a little all-thread to re-bar on the top where it extends through the top plate to save some money.  We're talking one every foot or so and that sounds like a lot of work.

Secondly something would have to cover the inside and outside to protect it from all sorts of things not the least of which would be insects (termites) and moisture.  That would take away the "cheep" part fast.

The most serious aspect of it would be the fire danger.  Papercrete walls won't support flame giving one ample time to egress a building before structural failure.  A house made with untreated paper in the walls would be like living in a crematorium.  Even if the interior walls are covered in sheet rock it wouldn't protect one from disastrously quick structural failure.

I'll keep mashing mine up and coating the fibers with cement.

Ron

--- On Sun, 4/4/10, joel <joelincalif@aim.com> wrote:

 

I saw on the web where they used the complete phone books just like dry stacked brick. They bored holes through some and ran long threaded rods from the foundation to the the top of the walls, then added a header. Once tightened it was a very solid mass.

The trick was to get all of them the same size so they'd stack solid.

Joel

--- In papercreters@ yahoogroups. com, Evonne Heyning <evoamo@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone here tried phone books, yellow pages? I met with someone at AT&T
> who thought it would be a great idea to build structures out of old phone
> books. They don't know what to do with all of them, it's a recycling
> nightmare that should be able to be reused.


> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:32 AM, countryatheartok <
> criswells.ok@ ...> wrote:

> > The deal is, someone provides those big businesses with a compactor
> > machine, in order to buy the bailed cardboard from them. The buyer sets
> > the time and date he will pick up and pay for the cardboard at the
> > current market price, problem is they usually only pick up and pay for
> > when the current market price is down. That is why you see such large
> > amounts behind businesses, the buyer is waiting for a better price.
> >
> > BTB
> >
> > --- In papercreters@ yahoogroups. com <papercreters% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > Evelyn Vollmer <evelynanne8@ >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > This is good news!
> > >
> > > In the past we have talked about the problem of obtaining paper and
> > some on
> > > the list, like Judith, have started to use cardboard. I was just up in
> > the
> > > Sacramento area and in watching the news and a story came up where
> > they
> > > arrested a group of people taking the bailed cardboard from behind the
> > big
> > > box stores. These people had quite a business, big trucks, warehouses,
> > etc.
> > > Apparently there is big money in recycling running into thousands and
> > > thousands of dollars. Just an interesting tidbit.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:41 PM, yeshuaessenor yeshuaessenor@ ...:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > hi....
> > > >
> > > > just hoping to help with paper finding.
> > > >
> > > > I have worked in a couple of places that have an OBSCENE
> > > > amount of paper that they THROW AWAY DAILY!!!
> > > >
> > > > One is a tourist attraction/museum (go figure)
> > > > and the other is a jail.
> > > >
> > > > TONS AND TONS of paper yearly I AM SURE!
> > > >
> > > > all shreaded and ready to go too!
> > > >
> > > > :)
> > > > hope this helps somebody!
> > > >
> > > > --- In papercreters@ yahoogroups. com <papercreters% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > <papercreters% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > > > "Denise" sharden@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi ~ First post here, I've been lurking for a few years and
> > learning
> > > > everything I can. I used to work at a detention center (county jail)
> > and
> > > > they had an enormous amount of shredded paper thrown out every week.
> > You
> > > > might try there or city/county offices. I get mine to experiment
> > with from
> > > > the Dr's office I work at. Hope this helps



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