Monday, May 5, 2008

RE: [papercreters] Pulp production

I applaud your courage (?) at involving the permit people. I have done some research in preparation for doing this myself and found that the Adobe Code does allow a rubble trench foundation. When my project was shut down I was told that the foundation was the big problem. I am just letting things lie for a while and will finish the house after the heat dies down and I have my act together. Keep us posted on your progress.

Sincerely, Judith
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To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
From: elf@elfnori.com
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 10:59:51 -0700
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Pulp production

Because my ultimate goal is to build my house out of papercrete, and that can't be my first papercrete project, I'm getting there in small test steps.  I would like to devise a generic enough form that it could be used inside or out.  I did contemplate how to fasten the mesh or lath form together through the wall to prevent bulging which would allow me to use bigger less rigid forms . . . kevlar fishing leader was a good option, but a little tedious to use and max easy to strip the forms . . . SNIP with small scissors.  Metal tie wire would work but is conducting and has other negative properties.  This may not be a factor as plastering the outside has to happen.  Regardless, I *could* go that route.  I also considered cable tie material . . . just haven't taken it much further than what is possible.  I've done a bit of looking on the net to see if I could find a magic pill for this . . . no joy  yet.  Something snip-able in 6", 10" and 12" lengths with a ring at each end would be perfect.  Slide through the form, pin at each end, fill form with papercrete.  When I start building the chicken house I'll get a chance to test these ideas.
 
I can afford to have the chicken house be less than a blazing success.  The chickens aren't going to notice or care.  I can also afford to have the pumphouse (subsequent project) be less than a blazing success, but much less so as I'm using it as a springboard to sell the county building permit guys on my house project.  The pumphouse has to have a permit and I want to involve the permit guy (Andy or Alan, memory fails me) in the process.  Because it's not a dwelling and pretty small (right on the border of needing a permit) I'm counting on them working with me on this alternative building material.
 
I'm off to the permit department this week to get a permit to move my temporary dwelling up to the house site.  I want to talk to the permit guy to make sure I have all my ducks in order.  Once I strike a bargain with the permit guy I'll start on the rubble trench foundation.  Progress!
 
ElfN
----- Original Message -----
From: Spaceman
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Pulp production

I was thinking more like a steel grid covered with lath, no plywood involved. It'll still bulge a little and give a sort of waffle pattern, which might be interesting. If you plan to plaster finish the surface, it wouldn't matter and might give the plaster a little more tooth to grab. The form could even be made with a pattern like the ones they use to make fake brick or rock walkways.

Spaceman

ElfNori wrote:
Thanks Spaceman!  That rocks!  <HUGE grin>
 
So the challenge is to find a material you can line the plywood with that will hold the papercrete in place and allow the water to drain out quickly . . . Mesh held in place by one of those draining floor mats maybe . . . The plywood will hold the mesh from bulging and the draining mat will allow the water to pour out unrestricted . . . Maybe concrete lath would do the same job . . . ?  The mesh will keep the papercrete from integrating into the mat or lath.
 
ElfN




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