From: "valledecalle@yahoo.com" <valledecalle@yahoo.com>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 16 May, 2010 8:48:47 AM
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete Garden Wall
Thanks, is it something like "Elmers Glue"? That is white thick stuff?
Will have to call and ask. I am going to try some papercrete and stucco cement mixture this summer for some garden art. Met an artist that uses kids plastic balls and fiberglass tape. So thought I would try it with added PC. Do some tests and see how long they last. But may add some of this if not too costly.
She does cover them with a special water based paint.
They are lovely.
Calle
you should be able to buy it wherever you buy cement, Acrylic bonding agent is usually sold as an additive for concrete or cement. It looks like pva wood glue ie thickish white liquid, . The larger the container the cheaper it is, here in Australia you might pay $25 for a 4litre container at the local hardware, you can dilute it down. It's probably more expensive than pva or latex but it is more water resistant
From: "valledecalle@ yahoo.com" <valledecalle@ yahoo.com>
To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, 16 May, 2010 7:19:14 AM
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete Garden Wall
How expensive are these resins, and where do you buy them.
Calle
From: Trevor Grigson <surferman@optusnet. com.au>
To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, 10 May, 2010 7:25:43 AM
Subject: RE: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete Garden Wall
It has a lot to do with the wicking effect of the fibres in papercrete, plus also controls the expansion and contraction of the paper fibres by waterproofing them, which tends to stop breaking down of the adhesion between the cement and the fibres as they expand and contract. So all in all, it doesn't make the wall waterproof, it controls wicking and it makes the papercrete itself waterproof so it doesn't break down.
Which has got me thinking, the expensive bit of paint is the titanium dioxide, not the acrylic base, since I'm looking at introducing papercrete here in Tasmania where building codes are very strict, I wonder if I could buy paint base cheaply by the 200L drum?.
Trev
From: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:papercreter s@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Neal Chabot
Sent: Monday, 10 May 2010 3:39 AM
To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete Garden Wall
Perhaps acrylic in Portland increases the plasticity, but waterproofing? What I'm puzzled about, for those folks who add latex in their mix, is how they expect it to be waterproof from a common sense point of view. Waterproofing is usually a property of membranes on the outer surface of a wall such as latex paint. The outer membrane protects against rain and keeps the water out of the insides of the wall. But when you mix everything together, there is no more membrane. The waterproofing material is disbursed into particles everywhere in the wall. So the question is, what good is a particle of latex 8 or 10 inches inside the wall when a rainstorm comes and the water starts soaking in from the outside?
Neal
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From: "Nick Boersema" picknick@sympatico. ca
It will make quite a difference depending on what the active ingredient in the deck stain is. If it is acrylic then it may work quite well. I use acrylic in straight Portland powder to make roofing and thin shell things.
Nick
From: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:papercreter s@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of sholmes_pta
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 10:05 AM
To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete Garden Wall
Thank you all for your help and input. I am going to try to start soaking my paper today. I think I will make a few garden pots and try one with latex and another with the deck stain and let them sit out for a few days to see how they hold up.
If I make a batch of paper pulp in a trash can does anyone know how long it may last before it starts to go bad? I am assuming that after a while, it may start to mold or smell.
--- In papercreters@ yahoogroups. com, "F." <fml@...> wrote:
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> I have some information that may be helpful to you here: http://papercretepa radise.blogspot. com/
> I've had luck building large decorative outdoor structures using two methods: slip form and daubing over a wire armature. Making slip forms would be too difficult without some sort of larger mixer, but you can make the mix for daubing in a five gallon bucket by hand.
> The slip-form wall I made has stood up well to the elements, but then my cat starting using it as a scratching post, so I experimented with covering it with a lime/sand plaster, which made an even prettier wall and has so far has solved the scratching post problem.
> Thanks.
> Mike
>
> --- In papercreters@ yahoogroups. com, "sholmes_pta" <sholmes_pta@> wrote:
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> > Have you ever read something, gotten an idea, & you eat, sleep & dream it. I stumbled across papercrete when researching making my own garden container pots. Now…well, I have so many ideas. There is so much info out that I am hoping I can get inspired as well as correctly informed here.
> >
> > My largest idea is replacing a lattice type fence that surrounds my composting area with a papercrete wall that would resemble stacked rock wall. I would like to make a mold to make flat stone type bricks but have so many questions. If anyone has any helpful information, I would greatly appreciate it. If it matters, I live in central North Carolina where we have our share of rain & humidity. Hubby doesn't "get" my projects so most will have to be easy for me to do on my own. But I am handy with a few of his tools.
> >
> > 1. Are there different recipes for different structure types?
> > 2. Since it is exposed to the elements do I need to seal it & or worry about insects?
> > 3. Can I use a stain on it to match our fencing and deck?
> > 4. Since I will be stacking them, what is the best way to lay them? (do I need to use what ever masons use or can I use papercrete between them. I have never laid brick before)
> > 5. I will be making this in small batches. Can I mix with something fixed onto my electric drill?
> >
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