To Greg and everyone, well I was able to get the next section poured as the rain subsided. I did get some pictures posted but I haven't took any of the new section. Since then I have mixed up another two hundred gallons of pulp, I know two hundred isn't much for everyone that has those big mixers but at 5 gallons at a time it took a while. I however, am in a minor delima as I need to obtain more paper to mix as I have exhausted all that I have stored up over the past year. I do have sources but it will take some time to gather them all up.
Also for those that were in Red Clay central :) I did mix up two batches of the dirt/red clay mixture I was impressed with how it reacted. It seemed to have a consistency closer to what would be seen with just a sand and portland mix. A "Mud" if you will, it held it's shape, however it has been a slow drying process with all the humidity here. It has been three days since I poured it, even though it's holding it's shape, it's still slightly soft to the touch. The pour I made a couple of weeks ago is hard and dry but you can still push on it slightly.
--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" <shadowweaver2010@...> wrote:
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> Greg, I think I might have some results by next Saturday. Unfortunately, I have not prepped the next area to be poured so this week will be a week of digging and setting up the forms for the wall. If things go well I should have the footers poured by Saturday with the redclay soil mix. (everyone keep your fingers crossed that the rain will only happen when I am not home...LOL) Also, soon as I can get my camera charged I am going to post pics like everyone else has about the tools they use.
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> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Greg House <ghunicycle@> wrote:
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> > Likewise. I thought WE were red clay central here in Kansas! Be interested in hearing how it works in PC. I've thought about finding ways to use this clay since I have a whole hill of it left from having a basement dug.
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> > Greg
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> > >From: cloud wall <windwalkerwill@>
> > >To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> > >Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 1:08:09 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Hi all, New here, Question is there any papercreter's on the East Coast
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> > >I'll be interested in how your experimenting goes since I thought we were in red clay central, here in WV. Same stone underneath, too.
> > >Clarissa
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> > >--- On Tue, 5/18/10, Anthony <shadowweaver2010@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > >>From: Anthony <shadowweaver2010@ yahoo.com>
> > >>Subject: [papercreters] Re: Hi all, New here, Question is there any papercreter' s on the East Coast
> > >>To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com
> > >>Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 1:38 PM
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> > >>>>Thank you Duknott, I appreciate the info I really didn't consider the clay aspect before and where I am is like red clay central.
> > >>>>Most of the land around here is all a red clay base before hitting the granite below.
> > >>>>We also have a vast about of silicate outcroppings that some call sand stone but its actually silicate flake stone.
> > >>>>After reading your post that got me to thinking about using some of the red clay that I have readly available.
> > >>>>Also I didn't think about this before but I wonder how the silicate stone would work in the mixes. When it breaks up it comes apart in sharp flake shards.
> > >>>>Again thank you Duknott your input was a great help and a new vector for my research.
> > >>>>--- In papercreters@ yahoogroups. com, "D" <duknott@> wrote:
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> > >>>>> Down in Lower Alabama here, in the humid subtropical climate. I'm still a member of this group, but haven't worked with technically papercrete (if there is such a thing) for a good while. I pulp the paper, then mix it with a clay slurry and asphalt emulsion. The test blocks I did with the papercrete were 'one bag' and 'two bag' mixes--I filled up my stock tank mixer with magazines, newspapers, office paper and a few pizza boxes, added water, some yard dirt (mostly sand) with either one bag of cement or two. It dried very well in the summer months, for all the humidity we have. The temperature seemed to be the deciding factor that determined the rate of drying. I didn't make any in the winter; by that time, I'd figured I couldn't use the straight papercrete for what I wanted to do.
> > >>>>> The problem I had was mold. Of course, the papercrete blocks absorbed all the rain that hit them, although they did dry out between rains and held up remarkably well. I put the asphalt emulsion in with the papercrete to make it waterproof, then came upon Jack Bay's information and went with that, using the mixer to just pulp the paper and water and let it damp dry before using it in place of cellulose or hammermilled cardboard that Bays called for.
> > >>>>> I was in New Mexico a number of years ago and people out there were adding plaster to hurry the setting of their mixes. They claimed it helped, and it did appear to be setting up quicker than mine ever did, but the climate out there is so different than what we have on the Gulf Coast. (Mike McCain was building a house, and the blocks felt a lot like concrete. Another guy was making blocks with just paper, dirt and water and they were holding up great.) The people who were mixing the plaster in with their papercrete had discussed using chopped sheetrock from construction sites and demolition sites, which I thought was a good idea if they could figure out a way to seperate all the nails and wood pieces. Is the sheetrock plaster?
> > >>>>> Jack Bays added sawdust, wood chips and bits of wood to his mixes. First he soaked them in a mixture of water and asphalt emulsion. I think that the asphalt emulsion coated the wood and, that way, it didn't absorb water from the mix. I believe you could do the same with the wood in papercrete. I wonder if you could coat the glass pieces some people are working with, with the watered down asphalt? Lord knows it sticks to anything. The bad thing about coating the wood is that you have to shake it while it's drying to keep it from clumping together. Part of the beauty of papercrete, though, was the light weight. What does the glass do to that?
> > >>>>> Another thing that I found was that I needed to put sand in the mix to keep the blocks from cracking. At the time, I wanted a lighter block but mine had to have sand. I wished I'd had a cheaper source of pumice. I didn't have a place out of the sun to dry my blocks, either. When I was working with pottery, the method of drying affected the ware, and I always wondered if the blocks were allowed to dry at a controlled rate, if they would crack.
> > >>>>> All in all, I think that you could use papercrete on the eastern side of America, if you kept the blocks dry, and coated the outside with some sort of protective coat, maybe paint, but I didn't go that far. I think people have used some ingredients that worked on the mold problem, you'll have to search for that.
> > >>>>> Good Luck. Hope this helped, at least a little.
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> > >>>>> shadowweaver2010@> wrote: I have noticed that most of the posts and such are from either the midwest or southwest. Are there any papercreters on the east coast that deal with the extended drying time and what solutions have you come up with to speed that up?
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