Sunday, May 30, 2010

[papercreters] Re: dome ideas / discussion

>Don't move anywhere near Juarez, the murder capital of the world. Mexico is in the midst of an internal war between the drug cartels and everybody else. I can see Mexico from where I'm sitting, but I don't go over there any more, you can be shot for just walking down the street. A couple of days ago gunmen opened fire on people buying food from a roach coach, killing several of them. Last month one of my students was off work due to a broken arm and visited a bar in Juarez. Gunmen came in and ordered everyone to hit the floor. He was slow due to the new cast on his arm, so they shot and killed him. Have you considered Belize?
------well i definitely wouldn't be near the hot spot /us border or slums of mexico city or the corridor to central america i was thinking on the west coast of mexico. the idea is a peaceful cheaper americian dream lol. where i can raise ostrich, a few cows. plant Jatropha for bio fuel. harvest wind geothermal etc to remain seperated in a way from what seems a poor infrastructure. and i can do good works from rescue to obvious introducing/or producing PC for people that are poorer.

>Haven't tried hardware cloth, but expanded metal stucco mesh works well. Getting flat material to fit on a curved surface can be a challenge, especially without generating a lot of waste. One advantage of geodesics is that there are no curved surfaces.
----expanded steel seems pretty robust(seems more structural) and costly (~4.70sq foot) for what i consider using it for solely crack prevention near the surface where as hardware cloth(~1/2 inch woven steel wire(for those who are not familiar)) is closer to .53 a sq foot and more flexible. i am not sure of the plastic variant but its is definitely more flexible.

>An airform would be easier than a rotating wooden form, and spraying could cover it in short order. Someone on this list was making a sprayed pc dome on an airform, but never updated his photo album or posted results after the first bit. The album is still in the group photo section.
---air form does seem great how do you spray the top of it lol. i suppose a boom lift would work but will a trash pump lift that high to supply a sprayer. i dont think one would want to try to throw that far

>>This would require a lot of precision to have the studs fit well enough to weld. Also studs are generally thin metal that would need MIG/TIG welding. Do you weld? Harbor Freight sells a wire welder that works fairly well and is less than $200. My large dome is screwed together, a much easier and cheaper way to go.
-- isn't that the whole point of geo-domes a large dome/spere from regular/identical triangles? coping the exact same triangle a few hundred times(plus a few spares) will likely become more simple by the end of it. and yes i can weld basic stuff, but i am only talking tacking . ie put 2 speed clamps on the triangle drop a couple tacks on the bottom and the triangle next to it then move to the next one. i am under no impression that the tacks will hold much pressure but should hold it self up and the first application of sprayed on PC. afterall the triangles are only a left in place form to apply the bulk of the wall/dome to. 2-3 inches of 18-24 inches.

and thanks for the help =D


------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/

<*> Your email settings:
Individual Email | Traditional

<*> To change settings online go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/join
(Yahoo! ID required)

<*> To change settings via email:
papercreters-digest@yahoogroups.com
papercreters-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
papercreters-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/