Papercreters: April 2010

Friday, April 30, 2010

[papercreters] Re: Mixing blade idea

I'm pretty sure an angel grinder will run way too fast for that to work, and fast enough to have a nasty outcome as soon as it spins up.

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Ron Richter <ronerichter@...> wrote:
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> Spaceman,
> Yes let us know how it turns out.Â I have destroyed 3 blenders (one cost $189.00 new and shipping to Alaska was $44.00) trying to get the testing started on the r value of soft and fluffy versus compressed PC.Â I bought a 10A Dewalt angle grinder and last week I was in Anchorage chaperoning our Native Youth Olympics team and got to a hardware store where I picked up a 5/8" X 11 coupler for attaching a rod to the grinder spindle.Â If the chain system works well to pulp paper it will be a safer rig for me to use in the school (I won't have to do all the mixing myself as I envisioned with a blade).Â Thanks for the find Bob.
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> appears to mostly mix in one spot, requiring movement of the chain
> around the edges of the bucket and throughout the mix. It may be more
> suitable for a hand held mixing method like the drill he is using in
> the video. Maybe this wouldn't beat you to death like a rigid blade
> attached to a drill. I think I saw a piece of threaded rod a couple of
> days ago, and I have some pieces of chain. No promises, but I think I
> feel a test coming on.
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> under stress, which means less work for the motor to get it up to speed.
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Thursday, April 29, 2010

Re: [papercreters] The Sandhills of Neb are great also

Since it's not papercrete, email me off the list, if you want. When it comes to that fencing, I'm a pro.
Clarissa

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, valledecalle@yahoo.com <valledecalle@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: valledecalle@yahoo.com <valledecalle@yahoo.com>
Subject: [papercreters] The Sandhills of Neb are great also
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 11:57 PM

Hi Perry,

Amen to your thoughts.

Trying to get my family off grid.
Teen son a I are moving off this May. Have had place for going on 6 yrs. Now is the time to go.

Shack, well, going to garden this summer and try to do some fiber arts to sell. But elec fence to keep critters out will take major effort.

Good luck

Calle and the gang
From: Perry Way <perryway@gmail. com>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 20:28:33 -0700
To: <papercreters@ yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [papercreters] My vision

I don't know exactly where the best place to start is, but I'm going to temporarily turn off my story telling mode and try to deliver just basic meat and potatoes.

Having ripened to 45 years old and unhappy with being a slave for the man, I'm now quickly deriving a plan to fit my goal of becoming independent. THIS YEAR.

Now, that's kind of a steep curve. Here I am at ground zero. Realize that I realize that bit. But I need to go independent and quickly, or I'm going to start collapsing and letting go, and that's just not good. So, for the past umpteen years I've had this desire to <fill in the blanks> on my own land in the wilderness. Build my house, grow my own food, live off the grid, etc. For over 25 years I've slaved for the man to make that happen but funny thing is I'm not any closer to accomplishing that than I was after 9/11 when I sold my property in Texas to move back to California.

I used to think I would be a programmer until the day I die but at this point due to various factors I'm ready to toss that aside. I am tired of the business end of software. Even though I write business software, the business end of it is highly stressful and has taken it's toll on me. I want to be an artist. Professionally. I have the skills and I have been devoted to the photography for quite some time and now I'm ready with a faith in <my own> God, some resources, some money (not much), and hopefully some friends along the way to leave California to find my heaven elsewhere. I've been studying San Luis Valley (which is southern Colorado and northern New Mexico) for quite some time. And I've been also looking at the Demming NM area as well. Both areas being located overtop large aquifers that are said to be extremely abundant and dependable.

This year, certain things happened at my work that made me want to either take an elephant gun to my head in a mercy killing, or to escape the slavery prison. You would not believe what I have to put up with at my work. It has completely zapped me of all energy to strive hard at work any longer. So, it has to be soon because I'm not really much for mediocrity. I gravitate towards greatness and if I can't throw that kind of effort into my work then I have to find my escape hatch and get on with part II of my life.

So I've been working on my photography with great energy. Hoping to get together enough material that I can sell prints as I travel. But now I've shared my thoughts with some people and one of them has become a muse for me and you all know her too. Judith. hehe. :) Anyway, as I shared my idea with Judith, her comments made me think about things and a larger idea started to take form and at this point I am really thinking this will work. But getting from point zero to point A is the first step and I'm working on fashioning that to be real.

So I'll back up briefly before continuing. As an artist I would like to have a studio. As a photographer, an analog photographer, and exploring all the old world photographic techniques I think that studio needs to be large so I can do very large wall size gum bichromate prints. That requires quite a bit of space actually. And then after I make them, I need to display them and sell them. So I need a gallery too. Now the musings began, and where things are now is this...

It is no longer just a goal or thing for one person, myself. It is now larger than me. It is several artists, living together, sharing the same gallery, sharing in the efforts to build more space, etc... It is the "Analog Institute". Just a name I am tagging it for now to embody the whole idea. The whole idea is galleries, workshops, and artists living in their own self made community living off the grid and being fairly well self sufficient on site (growing our own food, etc). The idea is that the gallery will be made from recycled materials, mostly papercrete, but other recycled materials will be utilized and it will be built as a sculpture. This has been done elsewhere throughout the world, even in big brother socialist countries where you need permission to do anything in life. A building that's a sculpture should be allowed to be built without plans and specs so long as it is up to code. It will start small but over time I expect it would be quite a sizeable building. Maybe it will be a snake coiled up with arch tops to papercrete walls and like the Guggenheim museum intended that the person walk the whole spiral to view all the art. Then after getting to the center, this is where the head of the snake elevates above or perhaps the tail and its an arch back to the beginning. Tour over. This kind of gallery could be done in segments at different times, as funds and resources and time permit. And over time, more artists join the institute. And when they join, they pay some $'s for the membership, its not much, and for that they get the right to build their own papercrete dwelling and studio and all of us will help them in that process. Over time, the site chosen will have scattered papercrete buildings all over the place each one completely unique and very artistic and also important, done by recycling materials.

So I haven't worked out all the details yet but one of my ideas to the Analog Institute would be to have a building that looks like a nest with an egg in it. And the egg could be a geodesic dome. And that is what got me triggered to write this tonight because of Spaceman's dome and the recent discussion.

I've shared my vision with a few people. I think I have a friend interested in joining me at this point. The details to that are kind of fleshing out. And I'm excited. :)

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[papercreters] papercrete around bus

hey this is a bit off topic...
FYI
but the school district where I work is auctioning off 4 school buses...
starting bids $300...
http://www.texasbid dot com
maybe papercrete around one for a quick mobile temp living arrangement... lol

location is just north of San Antonio Texas... for those in the area...
blessings
Laura

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Re: [papercreters] Mixing blade idea

Well, it won't happen today, the weatherman says to expect winds up to 65 mph this afternoon. Its only blowing 30 this morning but I have other obligations.

Blenders are great for testing small batches but you should definitely not use one that you want to keep for anything else. A few folks have destroyed several blenders from Good Will or other thrift stores. They said the cement should be mixed in by hand, it is hard on the blender. A friend of mine did a couple of batches with detergent in them to get really fluffy, but I think the extreme speed of a blender is needed for the foam, a tow mixer might not do it.

Can't wait for your results, wondering if they will match the results SG got a couple of years ago. What method are you going to use to measure the R value?

spaceman  All opinions expressed or implied are subject to change without notice upon receipt of new information.

On 4/28/2010 11:27 PM, Ron Richter wrote:

Spaceman,
Yes let us know how it turns out. I have destroyed 3 blenders (one cost $189.00 new and shipping to Alaska was $44.00) trying to get the testing started on the r value of soft and fluffy versus compressed PC. I bought a 10A Dewalt angle grinder and last week I was in Anchorage chaperoning our Native Youth Olympics team and got to a hardware store where I picked up a 5/8" X 11 coupler for attaching a rod to the grinder spindle. If the chain system works well to pulp paper it will be a safer rig for me to use in the school (I won't have to do all the mixing myself as I envisioned with a blade). Thanks for the find Bob.
Ron
 
   

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Re: [papercreters] My vision

This is a great vision, Perry. You have been working hard on this and I wish you the best in everything. Ev

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Perry Way <perryway@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't know exactly where the best place to start is, but I'm going to temporarily turn off my story telling mode and try to deliver just basic meat and potatoes.

Having ripened to 45 years old and unhappy with being a slave for the man, I'm now quickly deriving a plan to fit my goal of becoming independent. THIS YEAR.

Now, that's kind of a steep curve. Here I am at ground zero. Realize that I realize that bit. But I need to go independent and quickly, or I'm going to start collapsing and letting go, and that's just not good. So, for the past umpteen years I've had this desire to <fill in the blanks> on my own land in the wilderness. Build my house, grow my own food, live off the grid, etc. For over 25 years I've slaved for the man to make that happen but funny thing is I'm not any closer to accomplishing that than I was after 9/11 when I sold my property in Texas to move back to California.

I used to think I would be a programmer until the day I die but at this point due to various factors I'm ready to toss that aside. I am tired of the business end of software. Even though I write business software, the business end of it is highly stressful and has taken it's toll on me. I want to be an artist. Professionally. I have the skills and I have been devoted to the photography for quite some time and now I'm ready with a faith in <my own> God, some resources, some money (not much), and hopefully some friends along the way to leave California to find my heaven elsewhere. I've been studying San Luis Valley (which is southern Colorado and northern New Mexico) for quite some time. And I've been also looking at the Demming NM area as well. Both areas being located overtop large aquifers that are said to be extremely abundant and dependable.

This year, certain things happened at my work that made me want to either take an elephant gun to my head in a mercy killing, or to escape the slavery prison. You would not believe what I have to put up with at my work. It has completely zapped me of all energy to strive hard at work any longer. So, it has to be soon because I'm not really much for mediocrity. I gravitate towards greatness and if I can't throw that kind of effort into my work then I have to find my escape hatch and get on with part II of my life.

So I've been working on my photography with great energy. Hoping to get together enough material that I can sell prints as I travel. But now I've shared my thoughts with some people and one of them has become a muse for me and you all know her too. Judith. hehe. :) Anyway, as I shared my idea with Judith, her comments made me think about things and a larger idea started to take form and at this point I am really thinking this will work. But getting from point zero to point A is the first step and I'm working on fashioning that to be real.

So I'll back up briefly before continuing. As an artist I would like to have a studio. As a photographer, an analog photographer, and exploring all the old world photographic techniques I think that studio needs to be large so I can do very large wall size gum bichromate prints. That requires quite a bit of space actually. And then after I make them, I need to display them and sell them. So I need a gallery too. Now the musings began, and where things are now is this...

It is no longer just a goal or thing for one person, myself. It is now larger than me. It is several artists, living together, sharing the same gallery, sharing in the efforts to build more space, etc... It is the "Analog Institute". Just a name I am tagging it for now to embody the whole idea. The whole idea is galleries, workshops, and artists living in their own self made community living off the grid and being fairly well self sufficient on site (growing our own food, etc). The idea is that the gallery will be made from recycled materials, mostly papercrete, but other recycled materials will be utilized and it will be built as a sculpture. This has been done elsewhere throughout the world, even in big brother socialist countries where you need permission to do anything in life. A building that's a sculpture should be allowed to be built without plans and specs so long as it is up to code. It will start small but over time I expect it would be quite a sizeable building. Maybe it will be a snake coiled up with arch tops to papercrete walls and like the Guggenheim museum intended that the person walk the whole spiral to view all the art. Then after getting to the center, this is where the head of the snake elevates above or perhaps the tail and its an arch back to the beginning. Tour over. This kind of gallery could be done in segments at different times, as funds and resources and time permit. And over time, more artists join the institute. And when they join, they pay some $'s for the membership, its not much, and for that they get the right to build their own papercrete dwelling and studio and all of us will help them in that process. Over time, the site chosen will have scattered papercrete buildings all over the place each one completely unique and very artistic and also important, done by recycling materials.

So I haven't worked out all the details yet but one of my ideas to the Analog Institute would be to have a building that looks like a nest with an egg in it. And the egg could be a geodesic dome. And that is what got me triggered to write this tonight because of Spaceman's dome and the recent discussion.

I've shared my vision with a few people. I think I have a friend interested in joining me at this point. The details to that are kind of fleshing out. And I'm excited. :)

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Re: [papercreters] My vision

Greetings,

Dan Phillips of www.phoenixcommotion.org is just about to finish the
Bone House II, a living quarters, large studio, outdoor kitchen, water
catchment, greenhouse and garden set up in Huntsville Texas. He has
several place he rents that are for Artists, small living quarters,
large studios, eco friendly, out of the box kind of places. I also know
of a few jobs around this neck of the woods where you can work one week
every month or every second month teaching computer, for decent money to
live on in this area. Just an idea.
Bright Blessings,
Garth & Kim Travis
www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
Bedias, Texas

Perry Way wrote:
>
>
> I don't know exactly where the best place to start is, but I'm going to
> temporarily turn off my story telling mode and try to deliver just basic
> meat and potatoes.
>
> Having ripened to 45 years old and unhappy with being a slave for the
> man, I'm now quickly deriving a plan to fit my goal of becoming
> independent. THIS YEAR.
>
> Now, that's kind of a steep curve. Here I am at ground zero. Realize
> that I realize that bit. But I need to go independent and quickly, or
> I'm going to start collapsing and letting go, and that's just not good.
> So, for the past umpteen years I've had this desire to <fill in the
> blanks> on my own land in the wilderness. Build my house, grow my own
> food, live off the grid, etc. For over 25 years I've slaved for the man
> to make that happen but funny thing is I'm not any closer to
> accomplishing that than I was after 9/11 when I sold my property in
> Texas to move back to California.
>
> I used to think I would be a programmer until the day I die but at this
> point due to various factors I'm ready to toss that aside. I am tired
> of the business end of software. Even though I write business software,
> the business end of it is highly stressful and has taken it's toll on
> me. I want to be an artist. Professionally. I have the skills and I
> have been devoted to the photography for quite some time and now I'm
> ready with a faith in <my own> God, some resources, some money (not
> much), and hopefully some friends along the way to leave California to
> find my heaven elsewhere. I've been studying San Luis Valley (which is
> southern Colorado and northern New Mexico) for quite some time. And
> I've been also looking at the Demming NM area as well. Both areas being
> located overtop large aquifers that are said to be extremely abundant
> and dependable.
>
> This year, certain things happened at my work that made me want to
> either take an elephant gun to my head in a mercy killing, or to escape
> the slavery prison. You would not believe what I have to put up with at
> my work. It has completely zapped me of all energy to strive hard at
> work any longer. So, it has to be soon because I'm not really much for
> mediocrity. I gravitate towards greatness and if I can't throw that
> kind of effort into my work then I have to find my escape hatch and get
> on with part II of my life.
>
> So I've been working on my photography with great energy. Hoping to get
> together enough material that I can sell prints as I travel. But now
> I've shared my thoughts with some people and one of them has become a
> muse for me and you all know her too. Judith. hehe. :) Anyway, as I
> shared my idea with Judith, her comments made me think about things and
> a larger idea started to take form and at this point I am really
> thinking this will work. But getting from point zero to point A is the
> first step and I'm working on fashioning that to be real.
>
> So I'll back up briefly before continuing. As an artist I would like to
> have a studio. As a photographer, an analog photographer, and exploring
> all the old world photographic techniques I think that studio needs to
> be large so I can do very large wall size gum bichromate prints. That
> requires quite a bit of space actually. And then after I make them, I
> need to display them and sell them. So I need a gallery too. Now the
> musings began, and where things are now is this...
>
> It is no longer just a goal or thing for one person, myself. It is now
> larger than me. It is several artists, living together, sharing the
> same gallery, sharing in the efforts to build more space, etc... It is
> the "Analog Institute". Just a name I am tagging it for now to embody
> the whole idea. The whole idea is galleries, workshops, and artists
> living in their own self made community living off the grid and being
> fairly well self sufficient on site (growing our own food, etc). The
> idea is that the gallery will be made from recycled materials, mostly
> papercrete, but other recycled materials will be utilized and it will be
> built as a sculpture. This has been done elsewhere throughout the
> world, even in big brother socialist countries where you need permission
> to do anything in life. A building that's a sculpture should be allowed
> to be built without plans and specs so long as it is up to code. It
> will start small but over time I expect it would be quite a sizeable
> building. Maybe it will be a snake coiled up with arch tops to
> papercrete walls and like the Guggenheim museum intended that the person
> walk the whole spiral to view all the art. Then after getting to the
> center, this is where the head of the snake elevates above or perhaps
> the tail and its an arch back to the beginning. Tour over. This kind of
> gallery could be done in segments at different times, as funds and
> resources and time permit. And over time, more artists join the
> institute. And when they join, they pay some $'s for the membership,
> its not much, and for that they get the right to build their own
> papercrete dwelling and studio and all of us will help them in that
> process. Over time, the site chosen will have scattered papercrete
> buildings all over the place each one completely unique and very
> artistic and also important, done by recycling materials.
>
> So I haven't worked out all the details yet but one of my ideas to the
> Analog Institute would be to have a building that looks like a nest with
> an egg in it. And the egg could be a geodesic dome. And that is what
> got me triggered to write this tonight because of Spaceman's dome and
> the recent discussion.
>
> I've shared my vision with a few people. I think I have a friend
> interested in joining me at this point. The details to that are kind of
> fleshing out. And I'm excited. :)
>
>
>

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Re: [papercreters] Mixing blade idea

Spaceman,
Yes let us know how it turns out. I have destroyed 3 blenders (one cost $189.00 new and shipping to Alaska was $44.00) trying to get the testing started on the r value of soft and fluffy versus compressed PC. I bought a 10A Dewalt angle grinder and last week I was in Anchorage chaperoning our Native Youth Olympics team and got to a hardware store where I picked up a 5/8" X 11 coupler for attaching a rod to the grinder spindle. If the chain system works well to pulp paper it will be a safer rig for me to use in the school (I won't have to do all the mixing myself as I envisioned with a blade). Thanks for the find Bob.
Ron

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net> wrote:

I have been considering a chain flail for shredding paper. This looks like it might work for mixing papercrete. For more viscous liquids it appears to mostly mix in one spot, requiring movement of the chain around the edges of the bucket and throughout the mix. It may be more suitable for a hand held mixing method like the drill he is using in the video. Maybe this wouldn't beat you to death like a rigid blade attached to a drill. I think I saw a piece of threaded rod a couple of days ago, and I have some pieces of chain. No promises, but I think I feel a test coming on.
spaceman
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:33 PM, countryatheartok <criswells.ok@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

Although I said blade, it is not a blade, it is a chain. I believe this
design could be enlarged somewhat to use with a lawn mower type motor or
an electric motor. It's selling point it that it doesn't have to start
under stress, which means less work for the motor to get it up to speed.
I believe the length could be increased to 6" on each side of the shaft
for an overall length of 12".
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Wednesday, April 28, 2010

Re: [papercreters] My vision

Clarissa, I appreciate what you shared. Where you live sounds great. But yeah, it is important for the art aspect to be located nearby the Santa Fe, Taos corridor. Santa Fe, if you weren't aware, is the #2 art capitol of North America. And it is more concentrated with photography than other art centers of the country. The leading supplier of analog photographic supplies is Bostick and Sullivan and they are in Santa Fe. Being close will be a great benefit. I will be able to drive to pick up supplies rather than wait a week or two for UPS ground. San Luis is not an art center yet, but it wants to be. There are artists living in the SLV and they gravitate towards San Luis, so these are the motivators for me. To be completely honest, I am leery of the high altitude and will it supply the weather necessary to live off the grid, but over time if that is a factor then greenhouses could be constructed with passive solar heat sinks in them and then growing tomatoes in the winter might even be possible.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:23 PM, cloud wall <windwalkerwill@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Perry,
I don't post much as things get way beyond my limited technical know~how very fast with this group. I did reach a similar point and looked at similar places and with some of the same criteria. Parts of Washington state met the criteria, as well as the ones you are looking at. After looking all across the country, I ended up moving to the wilds of West Virginia. It certainly has its quirks but it is beautiful. Lots of photo ops and no one seems to know how to spell 'building codes' but I doubt that it would provide clientele for your work.
Clarissa

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Perry Way <perryway@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Perry Way <perryway@gmail.com>
Subject: [papercreters] My vision
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 11:28 PM

I don't know exactly where the best place to start is, but I'm going to temporarily turn off my story telling mode and try to deliver just basic meat and potatoes.

Having ripened to 45 years old and unhappy with being a slave for the man, I'm now quickly deriving a plan to fit my goal of becoming independent. THIS YEAR.

Now, that's kind of a steep curve. Here I am at ground zero. Realize that I realize that bit. But I need to go independent and quickly, or I'm going to start collapsing and letting go, and that's just not good. So, for the past umpteen years I've had this desire to <fill in the blanks> on my own land in the wilderness. Build my house, grow my own food, live off the grid, etc. For over 25 years I've slaved for the man to make that happen but funny thing is I'm not any closer to accomplishing that than I was after 9/11 when I sold my property in Texas to move back to California.

I used to think I would be a programmer until the day I die but at this point due to various factors I'm ready to toss that aside. I am tired of the business end of software. Even though I write business software, the business end of it is highly stressful and has taken it's toll on me. I want to be an artist. Professionally. I have the skills and I have been devoted to the photography for quite some time and now I'm ready with a faith in <my own> God, some resources, some money (not much), and hopefully some friends along the way to leave California to find my heaven elsewhere. I've been studying San Luis Valley (which is southern Colorado and northern New Mexico) for quite some time. And I've been also looking at the Demming NM area as well. Both areas being located overtop large aquifers that are said to be extremely abundant and dependable.

This year, certain things happened at my work that made me want to either take an elephant gun to my head in a mercy killing, or to escape the slavery prison. You would not believe what I have to put up with at my work. It has completely zapped me of all energy to strive hard at work any longer. So, it has to be soon because I'm not really much for mediocrity. I gravitate towards greatness and if I can't throw that kind of effort into my work then I have to find my escape hatch and get on with part II of my life.

So I've been working on my photography with great energy. Hoping to get together enough material that I can sell prints as I travel. But now I've shared my thoughts with some people and one of them has become a muse for me and you all know her too. Judith. hehe. :) Anyway, as I shared my idea with Judith, her comments made me think about things and a larger idea started to take form and at this point I am really thinking this will work. But getting from point zero to point A is the first step and I'm working on fashioning that to be real.

So I'll back up briefly before continuing. As an artist I would like to have a studio. As a photographer, an analog photographer, and exploring all the old world photographic techniques I think that studio needs to be large so I can do very large wall size gum bichromate prints. That requires quite a bit of space actually. And then after I make them, I need to display them and sell them. So I need a gallery too. Now the musings began, and where things are now is this...

It is no longer just a goal or thing for one person, myself. It is now larger than me. It is several artists, living together, sharing the same gallery, sharing in the efforts to build more space, etc... It is the "Analog Institute". Just a name I am tagging it for now to embody the whole idea. The whole idea is galleries, workshops, and artists living in their own self made community living off the grid and being fairly well self sufficient on site (growing our own food, etc). The idea is that the gallery will be made from recycled materials, mostly papercrete, but other recycled materials will be utilized and it will be built as a sculpture. This has been done elsewhere throughout the world, even in big brother socialist countries where you need permission to do anything in life. A building that's a sculpture should be allowed to be built without plans and specs so long as it is up to code. It will start small but over time I expect it would be quite a sizeable building. Maybe it will be a snake coiled up with arch tops to papercrete walls and like the Guggenheim museum intended that the person walk the whole spiral to view all the art. Then after getting to the center, this is where the head of the snake elevates above or perhaps the tail and its an arch back to the beginning. Tour over. This kind of gallery could be done in segments at different times, as funds and resources and time permit. And over time, more artists join the institute. And when they join, they pay some $'s for the membership, its not much, and for that they get the right to build their own papercrete dwelling and studio and all of us will help them in that process. Over time, the site chosen will have scattered papercrete buildings all over the place each one completely unique and very artistic and also important, done by recycling materials.

So I haven't worked out all the details yet but one of my ideas to the Analog Institute would be to have a building that looks like a nest with an egg in it. And the egg could be a geodesic dome. And that is what got me triggered to write this tonight because of Spaceman's dome and the recent discussion.

I've shared my vision with a few people. I think I have a friend interested in joining me at this point. The details to that are kind of fleshing out. And I'm excited. :)

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Re: [papercreters] My vision

Hi Perry,
I don't post much as things get way beyond my limited technical know~how very fast with this group. I did reach a similar point and looked at similar places and with some of the same criteria. Parts of Washington state met the criteria, as well as the ones you are looking at. After looking all across the country, I ended up moving to the wilds of West Virginia. It certainly has its quirks but it is beautiful. Lots of photo ops and no one seems to know how to spell 'building codes' but I doubt that it would provide clientele for your work.
Clarissa

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Perry Way <perryway@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Perry Way <perryway@gmail.com>
Subject: [papercreters] My vision
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 11:28 PM

I don't know exactly where the best place to start is, but I'm going to temporarily turn off my story telling mode and try to deliver just basic meat and potatoes.

Having ripened to 45 years old and unhappy with being a slave for the man, I'm now quickly deriving a plan to fit my goal of becoming independent. THIS YEAR.

Now, that's kind of a steep curve. Here I am at ground zero. Realize that I realize that bit. But I need to go independent and quickly, or I'm going to start collapsing and letting go, and that's just not good. So, for the past umpteen years I've had this desire to <fill in the blanks> on my own land in the wilderness. Build my house, grow my own food, live off the grid, etc. For over 25 years I've slaved for the man to make that happen but funny thing is I'm not any closer to accomplishing that than I was after 9/11 when I sold my property in Texas to move back to California.

I used to think I would be a programmer until the day I die but at this point due to various factors I'm ready to toss that aside. I am tired of the business end of software. Even though I write business software, the business end of it is highly stressful and has taken it's toll on me. I want to be an artist. Professionally. I have the skills and I have been devoted to the photography for quite some time and now I'm ready with a faith in <my own> God, some resources, some money (not much), and hopefully some friends along the way to leave California to find my heaven elsewhere. I've been studying San Luis Valley (which is southern Colorado and northern New Mexico) for quite some time. And I've been also looking at the Demming NM area as well. Both areas being located overtop large aquifers that are said to be extremely abundant and dependable.

This year, certain things happened at my work that made me want to either take an elephant gun to my head in a mercy killing, or to escape the slavery prison. You would not believe what I have to put up with at my work. It has completely zapped me of all energy to strive hard at work any longer. So, it has to be soon because I'm not really much for mediocrity. I gravitate towards greatness and if I can't throw that kind of effort into my work then I have to find my escape hatch and get on with part II of my life.

So I've been working on my photography with great energy. Hoping to get together enough material that I can sell prints as I travel. But now I've shared my thoughts with some people and one of them has become a muse for me and you all know her too. Judith. hehe. :) Anyway, as I shared my idea with Judith, her comments made me think about things and a larger idea started to take form and at this point I am really thinking this will work. But getting from point zero to point A is the first step and I'm working on fashioning that to be real.

So I'll back up briefly before continuing. As an artist I would like to have a studio. As a photographer, an analog photographer, and exploring all the old world photographic techniques I think that studio needs to be large so I can do very large wall size gum bichromate prints. That requires quite a bit of space actually. And then after I make them, I need to display them and sell them. So I need a gallery too. Now the musings began, and where things are now is this...

It is no longer just a goal or thing for one person, myself. It is now larger than me. It is several artists, living together, sharing the same gallery, sharing in the efforts to build more space, etc... It is the "Analog Institute". Just a name I am tagging it for now to embody the whole idea. The whole idea is galleries, workshops, and artists living in their own self made community living off the grid and being fairly well self sufficient on site (growing our own food, etc). The idea is that the gallery will be made from recycled materials, mostly papercrete, but other recycled materials will be utilized and it will be built as a sculpture. This has been done elsewhere throughout the world, even in big brother socialist countries where you need permission to do anything in life. A building that's a sculpture should be allowed to be built without plans and specs so long as it is up to code. It will start small but over time I expect it would be quite a sizeable building. Maybe it will be a snake coiled up with arch tops to papercrete walls and like the Guggenheim museum intended that the person walk the whole spiral to view all the art. Then after getting to the center, this is where the head of the snake elevates above or perhaps the tail and its an arch back to the beginning. Tour over. This kind of gallery could be done in segments at different times, as funds and resources and time permit. And over time, more artists join the institute. And when they join, they pay some $'s for the membership, its not much, and for that they get the right to build their own papercrete dwelling and studio and all of us will help them in that process. Over time, the site chosen will have scattered papercrete buildings all over the place each one completely unique and very artistic and also important, done by recycling materials.

So I haven't worked out all the details yet but one of my ideas to the Analog Institute would be to have a building that looks like a nest with an egg in it. And the egg could be a geodesic dome. And that is what got me triggered to write this tonight because of Spaceman's dome and the recent discussion.

I've shared my vision with a few people. I think I have a friend interested in joining me at this point. The details to that are kind of fleshing out. And I'm excited. :)

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Re: [papercreters] Mixing blade idea

I have been considering a chain flail for shredding paper. This looks like it might work for mixing papercrete. For more viscous liquids it appears to mostly mix in one spot, requiring movement of the chain around the edges of the bucket and throughout the mix. It may be more suitable for a hand held mixing method like the drill he is using in the video. Maybe this wouldn't beat you to death like a rigid blade attached to a drill. I think I saw a piece of threaded rod a couple of days ago, and I have some pieces of chain. No promises, but I think I feel a test coming on.

spaceman  All opinions expressed or implied are subject to change without notice upon receipt of new information.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:33 PM, countryatheartok <criswells.ok@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Although I said blade, it is not a blade, it is a chain. I believe this
design could be enlarged somewhat to use with a lawn mower type motor or
an electric motor. It's selling point it that it doesn't have to start
under stress, which means less work for the motor to get it up to speed.
I believe the length could be increased to 6" on each side of the shaft
for an overall length of 12".
 
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[papercreters] The Sandhills of Neb are great also

Hi Perry,

Amen to your thoughts.

Trying to get my family off grid.
Teen son a I are moving off this May. Have had place for going on 6 yrs. Now is the time to go.

Shack, well, going to garden this summer and try to do some fiber arts to sell. But elec fence to keep critters out will take major effort.

Good luck

Calle and the gang

From: Perry Way <perryway@gmail.com>

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 20:28:33 -0700

To: <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [papercreters] My vision

I don't know exactly where the best place to start is, but I'm going to temporarily turn off my story telling mode and try to deliver just basic meat and potatoes.

Having ripened to 45 years old and unhappy with being a slave for the man, I'm now quickly deriving a plan to fit my goal of becoming independent. THIS YEAR.

Now, that's kind of a steep curve. Here I am at ground zero. Realize that I realize that bit. But I need to go independent and quickly, or I'm going to start collapsing and letting go, and that's just not good. So, for the past umpteen years I've had this desire to <fill in the blanks> on my own land in the wilderness. Build my house, grow my own food, live off the grid, etc. For over 25 years I've slaved for the man to make that happen but funny thing is I'm not any closer to accomplishing that than I was after 9/11 when I sold my property in Texas to move back to California.

I used to think I would be a programmer until the day I die but at this point due to various factors I'm ready to toss that aside. I am tired of the business end of software. Even though I write business software, the business end of it is highly stressful and has taken it's toll on me. I want to be an artist. Professionally. I have the skills and I have been devoted to the photography for quite some time and now I'm ready with a faith in <my own> God, some resources, some money (not much), and hopefully some friends along the way to leave California to find my heaven elsewhere. I've been studying San Luis Valley (which is southern Colorado and northern New Mexico) for quite some time. And I've been also looking at the Demming NM area as well. Both areas being located overtop large aquifers that are said to be extremely abundant and dependable.

This year, certain things happened at my work that made me want to either take an elephant gun to my head in a mercy killing, or to escape the slavery prison. You would not believe what I have to put up with at my work. It has completely zapped me of all energy to strive hard at work any longer. So, it has to be soon because I'm not really much for mediocrity. I gravitate towards greatness and if I can't throw that kind of effort into my work then I have to find my escape hatch and get on with part II of my life.

So I've been working on my photography with great energy. Hoping to get together enough material that I can sell prints as I travel. But now I've shared my thoughts with some people and one of them has become a muse for me and you all know her too. Judith. hehe. :) Anyway, as I shared my idea with Judith, her comments made me think about things and a larger idea started to take form and at this point I am really thinking this will work. But getting from point zero to point A is the first step and I'm working on fashioning that to be real.

So I'll back up briefly before continuing. As an artist I would like to have a studio. As a photographer, an analog photographer, and exploring all the old world photographic techniques I think that studio needs to be large so I can do very large wall size gum bichromate prints. That requires quite a bit of space actually. And then after I make them, I need to display them and sell them. So I need a gallery too. Now the musings began, and where things are now is this...

It is no longer just a goal or thing for one person, myself. It is now larger than me. It is several artists, living together, sharing the same gallery, sharing in the efforts to build more space, etc... It is the "Analog Institute". Just a name I am tagging it for now to embody the whole idea. The whole idea is galleries, workshops, and artists living in their own self made community living off the grid and being fairly well self sufficient on site (growing our own food, etc). The idea is that the gallery will be made from recycled materials, mostly papercrete, but other recycled materials will be utilized and it will be built as a sculpture. This has been done elsewhere throughout the world, even in big brother socialist countries where you need permission to do anything in life. A building that's a sculpture should be allowed to be built without plans and specs so long as it is up to code. It will start small but over time I expect it would be quite a sizeable building. Maybe it will be a snake coiled up with arch tops to papercrete walls and like the Guggenheim museum intended that the person walk the whole spiral to view all the art. Then after getting to the center, this is where the head of the snake elevates above or perhaps the tail and its an arch back to the beginning. Tour over. This kind of gallery could be done in segments at different times, as funds and resources and time permit. And over time, more artists join the institute. And when they join, they pay some $'s for the membership, its not much, and for that they get the right to build their own papercrete dwelling and studio and all of us will help them in that process. Over time, the site chosen will have scattered papercrete buildings all over the place each one completely unique and very artistic and also important, done by recycling materials.

So I haven't worked out all the details yet but one of my ideas to the Analog Institute would be to have a building that looks like a nest with an egg in it. And the egg could be a geodesic dome. And that is what got me triggered to write this tonight because of Spaceman's dome and the recent discussion.

I've shared my vision with a few people. I think I have a friend interested in joining me at this point. The details to that are kind of fleshing out. And I'm excited. :)

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[papercreters] My vision

I don't know exactly where the best place to start is, but I'm going to temporarily turn off my story telling mode and try to deliver just basic meat and potatoes.

Having ripened to 45 years old and unhappy with being a slave for the man, I'm now quickly deriving a plan to fit my goal of becoming independent. THIS YEAR.

I've shared my vision with a few people. I think I have a friend interested in joining me at this point. The details to that are kind of fleshing out. And I'm excited. :)

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Re: [papercreters] Signs of old age

That's a pretty clever idea! I may have to make myself one of those!

Given that it's basically just a flail, I wonder how effective it'd be at pulping paper? Maybe it it was pre-soaked. Looks like it'd be substantially safer then a lot of things people are using to mix papercrete.

Greg

From: countryatheartok <criswells.ok@sbcglobal.net>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 8:34:59 PM
Subject: [papercreters] Signs of old age

Dumby me, I forgot to include the site for the chain mixer blade http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=PxFj7h6Rc9Y

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Re: [papercreters] Metal Studs was/ Using a lawnmower as a mixer

cool, looking forward to seeing it.

more input!
Johnny 5

spaceman  All opinions expressed or implied are subject to change without notice upon receipt of new information.

On 4/28/2010 7:48 PM, Perry Way wrote:

Awesome. This gives some direction to my vision. Thanks so much!

Now I suppose you're wondering what my vision is. Well.. I'll share some of that, but in a post all it's own. And I'll do it soon so as to not make you wait forever haha.

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Re: [papercreters] Mixing blade idea

Like a giant submersible blender! :) (I have one of them and love it)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:33 PM, countryatheartok <criswells.ok@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Although I said blade, it is not a blade, it is a chain. I believe this
design could be enlarged somewhat to use with a lawn mower type motor or
an electric motor. It's selling point it that it doesn't have to start
under stress, which means less work for the motor to get it up to speed.
I believe the length could be increased to 6" on each side of the shaft
for an overall length of 12".

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Re: [papercreters] Metal Studs was/ Using a lawnmower as a mixer

Awesome. This gives some direction to my vision. Thanks so much!

Now I suppose you're wondering what my vision is. Well.. I'll share some of that, but in a post all it's own. And I'll do it soon so as to not make you wait forever haha.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net> wrote:

Big box stores like Lowes and Home Depot usually carry them, they are often cheaper at construction supply houses. Locally a store called "The Drywall Shop" has them for a decent price. Around here most construction supply houses will also sell to the public, but as you say the best price often goes to contractors, which is understandable since they buy the most.

http://starship-enterprises.net/Domes/DomeHouse/DomeHouse%20Home.html has a bit more information about my dome. Which photo on the group website? The picture on the home page shows the interior of my big dome at the top, and the small workshop dome at the bottom. Back when Slurry Guy was setting up the group I gave him permission to use any of my website's photos...

Reality - what a concept!
spaceman  

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Friday, April 30, 2010

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Re: [papercreters] The Sandhills of Neb are great also

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[papercreters] The Sandhills of Neb are great also

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