Papercreters: Re: [papercreters] Re: Petrefied Hessian

Wednesday, December 1, 2010

Re: [papercreters] Re: Petrefied Hessian

Dear Spaceman.

I was not attacking any individual, and at no time did I comment on
anyone's math ability. I attacked the logic, or lack of it that people
replied with as a whole. but if you look at the questions asked it should
be apparent that, as obviously no one in this group has used this, which
has been stated, then the answers cannot be majicked out. If someone has
to ask if a single layer of hessian painted with cement is "earthquake
proof", or the value of products in an unknown location then I really
doubt where they will go with understanding what is available to learn.

I posted the information for everyone's benefit so they could learn the
recipe. It is up to them if they "choose" to "stop, think & learn". End
of this part of the subject!!!!

My apologies for the typographical error with getting the squares back to
front. That was my mistake when I typed it in.

As mentioned in a previous post, the hessian (burlap) is stretched over a
wooden frame. ie. the petrified hessian is used as you would a wall
board/cladding. It is not meant to replace papercrete. I figure it would
be great for non structural walls due to it's light weight and speed of
coverage. Good for ceilings too I would expect.

Wayne

>
> Well, there are some on the list who have done and are doing.
> There are a lot more who would like to but don't know how
> so they are trying to learn. Basically there are folks
> here who have some knowledge and are trying to help, and
> there are folks who are trying to get some of that
> knowledge. Putting someone down because of their lack of
> knowledge and experience is not helpful. If you don't have
> an answer then don't give one, but don't attack the person
> asking. After all, were you born with all your knowledge
> or did you have to learn it like the rest of us? At least
> the ones who have joined a list like this are trying to
> learn and are aware of a problem even though the solution
> might not be apparent to them. You should give them credit
> for trying to learn.
>
> You'll find that in the USA most folks are math challenged and don't
> even know for sure if they are getting the right change at the
> grocery store. The store clerks could not give change without the
> cash register that tells them how much to give back. When the power
> goes off they can not sell anything! Education is a joke in public
> schools, you get very little practical knowledge there. I'm
> constantly amazed at the number of people who haven't even yet
> figured out how to turn on their spell checker.
>
> Back to the original question - I haven't ever bought burlap so have
> no idea of the cost per sq.ft. Portland cement runs about ten
> cents a pound, lime is slightly more. I don't offhand remember the
> rest of the ingredients. I did notice some apparent math errors in
> the recipe. I really doubt that a gallon or so of mix will cover
> 8m square, which is 64 square meters. More likely it was meant to
> say 8 square meters, which still seems like a lot to cover with
> that small amount of mix. It must be really thin like paint, and
> therefore not very strong.
>
> Petrified Hessian would probably not be the most practical thing to
> use to seal papercrete, there are easier and cheaper ways. It's
> certainly not strong enough to use for an underground building. Dirt
> is really heavy and a thin layer of crusty burlap is not going to
> support much. IMHO this would be suitable for a quick temporary
> shelter but not practical for a larger building or for anything
> permanent. That round house that was linked recently was nice but
> way expensive for just a thin shell. Not to mention the waste that
> was implied.
>
> That's why I'm building with papercrete. It is relatively cheap,
> strong, good insulation, and easy to work with. It can be done with
> a minimum of equipment and a lot of work, or better equipment and
> less work.
>
> spaceman
>
> All opinions expressed or implied
> are subject to change without notice
> upon receipt of new information.
>
> http://Starship-Enterprises.Net
>
>
> On 12/1/2010 12:47 PM, Wayne wrote:
> > I posted the recipe. I have not made the product yet. I live
> in
> > Australia, you probably live somewhere else. For crying out
> loud
> > people, if you can't work these basic things out for yourself
> then
> > how can you be capable of constructing a dwelling fit to live
> > in????????
> >
> > What happened everyone's ability to do things for themselves.
> I
> > thought this was a forum full of practical and capable
> people. After
> > all the replies I have had on this one I am doubting my
> original
> > thoughts on that.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
>