Greg
From: slurryguy <slurryguy@yahoo.com>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 9:42:28 AM
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete Floors
"...concrete floors, they can be made beautiful with colorful acid
stains ..."
Yes, See Nelda's Example:
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/papercrete rs/message/ 3024
"--- a papercrete floor. Perhaps it has been mentioned before and
thus it would be an "in the box" idea for this group. "
Perhaps the most frequently discussed example would be Spaceman's
papercrete in a slab on a dome. Unfortuneately I can't find a post
where you can see pictures. Maybe he will enlighten us where the
pictures can be found on his website?
Here's a post where he talks about it, though:
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/papercrete rs/message/ 4929
We've discussed his papercrete slab with hydronic tubes in quite a
few different threads, feel free to search the archives.
--- In papercreters@ yahoogroups. com, sire@... wrote:
>
> While there are legitimate reasons why people do not like staight
concrete floors, they can be made beautiful with colorful acid stains
and are increasingly found in high end offices, hotels, and homes.
Nothing surpasses them for enjoying radiant heat. Sure there have
been some plumbing problems with copper pipe that reacted or leaked,
so copper is not recommended in a slab. That is why pex is
recommend and using pex there will be no such problems.
>
> However, if someone wants radiant heat and prefers something other
than a slab, I will provide a suggestion. I am basically an "out of
the box" thinker. If I told you all the things I have done
that "they" said couldn't be done, it would surprise you. However,
I also have one foot still in the box. I can go check with that
foot and it will tell me if my idea will work or if it won't.
Sometimes that foot doesn't tell me for sure or give me a clear
message, so I will go try my idea anyway. Some people are good at
floating out imaginative but unworkable ideas, and people who have
some common sense about what works can be a valuable resource for
such people.
>
> So let me suggest an "out of the box" idea that is very appropriate
for this group --- a papercrete floor. Perhaps it has been
mentioned before and thus it would be an "in the box" idea for this
group. Some will appreciate the advantages of a papercrete floor
immediately, while others will want to have some reasons, so I will
list some:
>
> 1. A Papercrete Floor will still provide an excellent medium for
radiant heat, somewhat less than a concrete floor due to the
insulation value, but still acceptable.
> 2. It will provide more flexibility and give than a concrete or
tile floor.
> 3 It will provide an excellent medium for acid staining or other
creative finishes.
> 4 The mixture can be fine tuned to provide custom degrees of
flexibility (which I call sponginess) vs. hardness. It can even be
made to have more give in it than wood.
> 5 All the other usual advantages of papercrete: do it
yourself, cheap, etc. There is no need to spend $10,000 on a custom
floor when you can make it yourself.
>
> One of the only downsides is that it will take time to dry, so
don't close the windows and doors while it is doing so. :) Since
the slab is usually the first thing done in construction, this should
not be an issue.
>
> Neal
>
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