Sunday, February 3, 2008

RE: [papercreters] Re:Mortar

Hi Clyde,

If I’m using it between two thin FC shells strength isn’t as much of an issue.  I’m really looking for fire resistance.  How does the lime adversely affect the mix?

I originally thought to use silty sandy clay that is common here and my thinking is the slacked lime will react with it to make a cement like glue.  Of course I will test it, but would like input that may save me some hassle.

 


From: papercreters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:papercreters@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of clydetcurry
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 5:06 AM
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [papercreters] Re:Mortar

 

---the meta kaolin is manufactured to react with the excess lime from
the portland -add it at a 15% replacement, by weight of the portland -
it makes additional cement, and thus strength - it is not designed to
be used alone - also adding lime would be counter productive as it is
the lime that causes a problem with the excess water in papercrete -
by the way the set characteristics of metakaolin nearly exactly match
those of portland - the usual problem is that people do not use nearly
enough cement in total ! METAKAOLIN COSTS $11 PER 40 LB. BAG IF BOUGHT
IN VOLUME ,TWICE AS MUCH A BAG AT A TIME- GOOD LUCK In
papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "clydetcurry" <clyde@...> wrote:
>
> Metakaolin pozzalon reacts with the excess lime in portland cement, it
> makes it into super cement while radically reduceing the problems that
> papercrete has with holding on to water--- In
> papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Janoahsh" <janoahsh@> wrote:
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > That sounds like a really good mix Eli. What I was referring to
was the
> > cement mix for the papercrete. Most papercrete is made using Portland
> > Cement, but I've heard of others using Metakaolin and Slacked Lime.
> I am
> > curious as how the different applications compare. I remember that
> > Metakaolin increases fire resistance. Is it more or less brittle
> when dry,
> > does it retain water to a greater degree? I'm curious if it might
> be an
> > alternative to using Portland. I'm ready to begin testing again and
> thought
> > to try some clay mixes.
> >
> > Janosh
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:papercreters@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Eli Sutton
> > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 1:14 PM
> > To: papercreters
> > Subject: [papercreters] Re:Mortar
> >
> >
> >
> > I can't speak to pluses and minuses but I can tell you how we make a
> very
> > successful mortar for our papercrete block house under construction.
> >
> > It is based on a traditional mortar mix. We make our slurry from
> newprint to
> > the consistency of oatmeal with the emulsifier shown in the Photos
> section.
> > We wet the blocks before laying up.
> >
> > Into a mixer we throw an almost full 5gal bucket of sand, 1qt of
> lime, 1qt
> > of Metakaolin, and 6qts of Portland. Mix. Add about 12qt of slurry
> adding
> > gradually until the consistency is right. Mix about 7 min.
> >
> > I hope this is useful.
> >
> > Eli
> >
> > BTW check out some pix of the project at
> > http://picasaweb.-google.com/-eli.verdesystems

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