Papercreters: December 2007

Monday, December 31, 2007

[papercreters] Re: alternative cob book?

You might want to check out the books titled: "The Art of Natural
Building" New Society Publishing: "The Hand Sculpted House" by Jaunto
Evans.

Also I recommend reading "SOLVIVA" by Anna Eddy..... "The Long
Emergency" Kunstler......... "Litle House on a Small Planet" by Shay
Salomon

See Yaaaa.............. Bob
--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Dirtcheapbuilder-Charmaine
<tms@...> wrote:
>
> HI- I have not seen any book with this title.. is it an actual title?
> can you provide more info on where you saw the book? There is a
> merge between using natural and recycled materials. all you need do
> is be creative-- seaweed, sawdust, shredded shrubbery... all can be
> used in papercrete/cob... so don't let the title dictate "secret"
info.
> there is not any, all combinations have been used to make walls and
> plasters, etc... so just experiment!
>
> Charmaine Taylor Publishing
> STOREWIDE SALE on Books & Videos
> www.dirtcheapbuilder.com
> Tel: 1-707-441-1632 PST Eureka, Calif.
>
>
> looking for book, "Alternative Cob Construction."
> Posted by: "Robert & Connie" babalubird@... babalubird
>
> Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:06 pm (PST)
> I ran across this book searching for papercrete info. It seemed to be
> about or at least include papercrete info and recipes.
>
> Does anyone know where to order it? I can't find the site again. Has
> anyone read the book and is it any good?
>
> Connie
>

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Saturday, December 29, 2007

Re: [papercreters] Re: what have we learned? 10 years of experiments

http://starship-enterprises.net
close, though. : )

Dirtcheapbuilder-Charmaine wrote:

On Dec 29, 2007, at 1:25 AM, mud to stone wrote: what have you learned? all ears and ideas
+++++++++

Hi- There is too much to cover to implode the brain of any newbie- papercrete is now in its 10 th year as an online discussion , let alone many who are done building with it,, the onus is on YOU to jump in and read up on the archives, there is plenty posted online just by searching, and there are several articles posted on alt materials use at www.papercrete.com www.livinginpaper.com www.starshipenterprizes.com ( I think)

you will find the medium to be very fun and exciting to play with... so keep reading the posts, and doing research too

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[papercreters] Re: what have we learned? 10 years of experiments

On Dec 29, 2007, at 1:25 AM, mud to stone wrote: what have you
learned? all ears and ideas
+++++++++

Hi- There is too much to cover to implode the brain of any newbie-
papercrete is now in its 10 th year as an online discussion , let alone
many who are done building with it,, the onus is on YOU to jump in and
read up on the archives, there is plenty posted online just by
searching, and there are several articles posted on alt materials use
at

www.papercrete.com

www.livinginpaper.com

www.starshipenterprizes.com

( I think)

you will find the medium to be very fun and exciting to play with... so
keep reading the posts, and doing research too

Charmaine Taylor Publishing
STOREWIDE SALE on Books & Videos

www.dirtcheapbuilder.com
Tel: 1-707-441-1632 PST Eureka, Calif.

Friday, December 28, 2007

[papercreters] alternative cob book?

HI- I have not seen any book with this title.. is it an actual title?
can you provide more info on where you saw the book? There is a
merge between using natural and recycled materials. all you need do
is be creative-- seaweed, sawdust, shredded shrubbery... all can be
used in papercrete/cob... so don't let the title dictate "secret" info.
there is not any, all combinations have been used to make walls and
plasters, etc... so just experiment!

Charmaine Taylor Publishing
STOREWIDE SALE on Books & Videos

www.dirtcheapbuilder.com
Tel: 1-707-441-1632 PST Eureka, Calif.

looking for book, "Alternative Cob Construction."
Posted by: "Robert & Connie" babalubird@tx.rr.com babalubird

Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:06 pm (PST)
I ran across this book searching for papercrete info. It seemed to be
about or at least include papercrete info and recipes.

Does anyone know where to order it? I can't find the site again. Has
anyone read the book and is it any good?

Connie

[papercreters] sculpture & frieze papercrete art

greetings to all mud or glove coverd hands.
this is a new medium for me
i,m a potter
also like to work with natural woodland materials
and paint
added some spanish moss to my 2nd hand mixed batch
interesting texture
don,t know where it will lead
trying to follow the material and processes
while messing with small batches
been making trees and landscape pictures
using various molds ;wood, cardboard boxes plates ,lids and freeform
in awe of you guys that are making home structures
aspire to create large wall friezes (outdoor indoor)
and sculpture - the size stuff i couldn't make with clay
it's wierd not to fire
i know there has to be others discovering papercrete
as an inspiring sculpture medium
what have you learned?
all ears and ideas

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Thursday, December 27, 2007

[papercreters] Blocktite????

A papercreter mentioned using this in his project once. What all does
it do besides make the blocks more water resistent?

Where do you buy or order it?

Thanks.

Connie

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[papercreters] Looking for book, "Alternative Cob Construction."

I ran across this book searching for papercrete info. It seemed to be
about or at least include papercrete info and recipes.

Does anyone know where to order it? I can't find the site again. Has
anyone read the book and is it any good?

Connie

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Tuesday, December 25, 2007

[papercreters] Papercrete & Magnesium Cement

Uwe,

Your interest in magesium cement as a substitute for portland cement is something I share, both in ferrocement and in papercrete. I have not yet had an opportunity to do the requisite experimenting to draw any final conclusions, but here are a few facts I have surmised:

1. There are a variety of cements made from magnesia, in these three varieties: magnesium oxychloride cement, magnesium oxysulfate cement, and magnesium phosphate cement. Each having their own pros and cons.

2. A primary benefit of magnesium cements is that they are produced at a far lower temperature than portland cement, and therefore far less CO2 is released into the atmosphere in the production. Thus, a more "green" product. If a papercrete mix could be devised using a magnesium cement, it would probably result in a broader interest in the green building field.

3. Some of the down sides of magnesium cements have been the reason for their lack of wide-spread acceptance and use. Some are more vulnerable to water and chemical deterioration, and some will leach magnesium.

4. Magnesium cements that I've read about have a very quick set time, which seriously limits batch sizes and workability. For example, I've heard that Grancrete, which is a magesium cement-based product, will set in something like 20 minutes, a time that can be perhaps doubled with retarders, but still a very fast set time. I certainly wouldn't want to be caught with a 200 gallon tank partially empty and hard as a rock...

5. Magnesium cements are more expensive, because they aren't produced in the same scale of volume that portland cement is produced.

6. Successful magnesium cement mix designs are more difficult to achieve, are often the basis of proprietary products, and are thus more closely guarded (= "secrets").

I imagine that there is a successful magesium cement-based papercrete, and I think it would have at least three positive qualities:
- quicker setting and drying, possibly less shrinkage;
- greener, less CO2 created in the production; and
- harder, greater compressive strength.

If anyone can further enlighten me on any reasons why magnesium cement would not work in a papercrete mix, or if someone has some experience with magnesium cement papercrete mix design, I would be very interested. Or, do you know of a magnesium cement expert who might help us design a magnesium cement papercrete mix?

In the meantime, I'm looking forward to when I'll have adequate time and space for the requisite experimentation...

Happy holidays,

Eric Randall
Fairfield, Iowa

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Friday, December 21, 2007

[papercreters] Bagged BENTONITE clay in Seattle area

GOT THIS EMAIL ON THE COB LIST- WANTED TO SHARE IT WITH THE GROOUPS FOR
YOU LUCKY SEATTLEITS

From Dulane:

Available in Seattle, WA:

BAGS OF BENTONITE CLAY AVAILABLE. FREE. APPROX 200 50-LB BAGS. APPROX
1800
100-LB BAGS. PICK UP AT MACMILLAN-PIPER, 150 S. HORTON ST., SEATTLE, WA
98134. SEE BRIAN OR TAMI. PHONE 206-340-2851.

If anyone is even moderately intersted, this is good clay for
plastering and
other projects. Maybe a cob oven?

I know I went on about this two weeks ago, but I went down and picked
up a
nice dry 50 lb bag and it was still wrapped in plastic on the pallet.

The company used it in well drilling...so it isn't the highest grade
stuff
(food grade), but it is regular bentonite. I think they were getting
low on
the 50 lb bags, but they had lots of 100 lb bags.

Charmaine Taylor Publishing
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Wednesday, December 19, 2007

Re: [papercreters] How to Pump Papercrete - Sand in Mix

Also adds thermal mass.

ElfN

----- Original Message -----

From: Mikey Sklar

To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 1:34 AM

Subject: Re: [papercreters] How to Pump Papercrete - Sand in Mix

Hi Eric,

You seem surprisingly familiar with my area being from Iowa. I do have a well that brings up 108F mineral water.

You bring up some good points about sand. I have been using large quantities of sand for these reasons:

- strengthen the mix

- reduce portland cement - portland issues - (cost, transportation, storage, carbon)

- reduce flammability

- reduce dry time

- reduce costs

The structures I am building are small and the insulation is thick enough at 12" that I don't mind giving up a little R-value.

-Mikey

http://greenacre-hotsprings.blogspot.com

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Re: [papercreters] How to Pump Papercrete - Sand in Mix

Hi Eric,

You seem surprisingly familiar with my area being from Iowa. I do have a well that brings up 108F mineral water.

You bring up some good points about sand. I have been using large quantities of sand for these reasons:

- strengthen the mix

- reduce portland cement - portland issues - (cost, transportation, storage, carbon)

- reduce flammability

- reduce dry time

- reduce costs

The structures I am building are small and the insulation is thick enough at 12" that I don't mind giving up a little R-value.

-Mikey

http://greenacre-hotsprings.blogspot.com

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007

[papercreters] How to Pump Papercrete - Sand in Mix

Hi Mikey,

Thanks for your sharing of your papercrete adventures in your posts, blog, and videos -- inspirational!

I always have wanted to visit Truth or Consequences -- anyplace with a name like this has got to be interesting and have interesting edges. With Virgin Galactic spaceport nearby, and hot springs -- are you luck enough to have a well over one of the famous T or C hot springs? And T or C has Elephant Butte Lake State Park nearby. A lot going on in your corner of New Mexico. Hopefully you'll have a papercrete place for me to sleep by the time I'm next making a pilgrimage out west!

I did want to ask about your mix. I'm puzzled why you would use so much sand in a mix that is designed as an insulating core between two ferrocement shells. Looks like you don't need the sand for structural reasons, with FC skins, I would think flame resistance isn't the reason. Doesn't seem like shrinkage would be an issue since you'll be able to fairly easily get the FC through your outer skins. Is it to satisfy the code folks?

Would you be so kind as to share your thinking?

Thanks much!

Eric
Fairfield, Iowa
(where we only dream about papercrete for several months each year..;--.)

At 09:30 AM 12/18/2007, you wrote:

The "forms" are:

- welded 3/8" rebar
- 6" x 6" x 10 gauge welded wire mesh
- 1.75lb expanded metal lath

You can see a flickr set with the construction of the dome here:

http://tinyurl.com/2of8cy

The mix is:

- 60# paper
- 30# sand
- 15# portland
- 5# lime

I am using 50% more water than usual to help the pump move the mix.

On Dec 18, 2007, at 7:49 AM, David-The Hern wrote:

> Hi Mikey, nice vid, thanks.
>
> What are the forms made of, and is there nothing underneath the inner
> form? Also what recipie is the papercrete? Thanks Dave.
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Mikey Sklar <sklarm-yahoo@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> I just posted a video to youtube which I think most papercreters
> will
>> want to watch. It shows my usage of a inexpensive trash pump to move
>> papercrete over 70' from my mixer. This includes a 8' vertical a the
>> end of the run. The pump is a 3" Multiquip QP-3TE with 9HP gas motor.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhoScNNYNQI
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

-Mikey
http://greenacre-hotsprings.blogspot.com

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Re: [papercreters] Re: Mountainview Dome is back!

<LOL> Nori, not Nora. Elf Nori

ElfN

----- Original Message -----

From: Robert & Connie

To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:49 AM

Subject: [papercreters] Re: Mountainview Dome is back!

Oh, sorry. Guess I don't know the names here well enough yet.
Forgive me if I associated the wrong name with elfnori.

But many thanks in spite of my goof.

Connie

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "ElfNori" <elf@...> wrote:
>
> Who's Nora?
>
> ElfNori
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert & Connie
> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:20 PM
> Subject: [papercreters] Re: Mountainview Dome is back!
>
>
> Thanks, Nora.
>
> I beat you to it--been trying it for a few days till I got
through. It
> took me a total of 3 days to get through the entire site--well
worth
> it. Thanks for directing me to it, Nora, and thanks, Robert, for
> providing such wonderful, detailed info.
>
> Connie
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[papercreters] Call for Articles - TLS' Women in SB & NB Issue

This email was sent out a while back - and I have received some
great responses, but there are many women out there working in
strawbale and natural building who have not sent in their
updated article or new one. So I'm resending this information,
extending the deadline and planning to publish the issue for
distribution early in 2008. This is open to every woman who is
involved in strawbale and other types of natural building.

Here's the information:

The theme of The Last Straw journal's March 2008 issue is The
Women of Strawbale and Natural Building. In addition to
updating the articles about women involved in strawbale and
natural building in 1995 (TLS issue #10/Constructive Women),
we want to feature women who are currently involved now, and
updates on all the women who were featured in TLS#10.

Your involvement can be related to any aspect - workshop
instructor, teaching an online course or in the classroom,
helping with an association, architect, engineer, designer,
design/builder, owner/builder, contractor, subcontractor,
supplier, natural building materials store owner, plasterer, writer,
author, consultant, promoter, realtor, codes official, lender,
insurer...

We want to feature women from around the world, so please
help us get the word out by passing this along to others!

Here's what I'm looking for:

1. Photograph - a head shot or a photo showing the person
doing a workshop, teaching a class, working on a project. 300
dpi jpg or tiff format 3x4

2. Brief bio of how you got involved, what you do (planning,
design, construction, plaster, cob, strawbale, light straw clay,
and such)

3. A brief note about projects (types of projects and materials),
involvement in associations, experience teaching or doing
workshops, any other contributions to their particular field of
expertise and work

This issue will take time to bring together, so the sooner you can
send information to us the better.

If you have questions or need more information, just ask.

Thanks. Look forward to hearing from you!

Joyce
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Joyce Coppinger, Managing Editor
The Last Straw journal
GPFS/TLS, PO Box 22706, Lincoln NE 68542-2706 USA
402.483.5135, fax 402.483.5161
<thelaststraw@thelaststraw.org>
www.thelaststraw.org

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[papercreters] Re: Mountainview Dome is back!

Oh, sorry. Guess I don't know the names here well enough yet.
Forgive me if I associated the wrong name with elfnori.

But many thanks in spite of my goof.

Connie

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "ElfNori" <elf@...> wrote:
>
> Who's Nora?
>
> ElfNori
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert & Connie
> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:20 PM
> Subject: [papercreters] Re: Mountainview Dome is back!
>
>
> Thanks, Nora.
>
> I beat you to it--been trying it for a few days till I got
through. It
> took me a total of 3 days to get through the entire site--well
worth
> it. Thanks for directing me to it, Nora, and thanks, Robert, for
> providing such wonderful, detailed info.
>
> Connie
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [papercreters] Re: How to Pump Papercrete

The "forms" are:

- welded 3/8" rebar
- 6" x 6" x 10 gauge welded wire mesh
- 1.75lb expanded metal lath

You can see a flickr set with the construction of the dome here:

http://tinyurl.com/2of8cy

The mix is:

- 60# paper
- 30# sand
- 15# portland
- 5# lime

I am using 50% more water than usual to help the pump move the mix.

On Dec 18, 2007, at 7:49 AM, David-The Hern wrote:

> Hi Mikey, nice vid, thanks.
>
> What are the forms made of, and is there nothing underneath the inner
> form? Also what recipie is the papercrete? Thanks Dave.
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Mikey Sklar <sklarm-yahoo@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> I just posted a video to youtube which I think most papercreters
> will
>> want to watch. It shows my usage of a inexpensive trash pump to move
>> papercrete over 70' from my mixer. This includes a 8' vertical a the
>> end of the run. The pump is a 3" Multiquip QP-3TE with 9HP gas motor.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhoScNNYNQI
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

-Mikey
http://greenacre-hotsprings.blogspot.com

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[papercreters] Re: How to Pump Papercrete

Hi Mikey, nice vid, thanks.

What are the forms made of, and is there nothing underneath the inner
form? Also what recipie is the papercrete? Thanks Dave.

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Mikey Sklar <sklarm-yahoo@...>
wrote:
>
> I just posted a video to youtube which I think most papercreters
will
> want to watch. It shows my usage of a inexpensive trash pump to move
> papercrete over 70' from my mixer. This includes a 8' vertical a the
> end of the run. The pump is a 3" Multiquip QP-3TE with 9HP gas motor.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhoScNNYNQI
>

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Monday, December 17, 2007

[papercreters] How to Pump Papercrete

I just posted a video to youtube which I think most papercreters will
want to watch. It shows my usage of a inexpensive trash pump to move
papercrete over 70' from my mixer. This includes a 8' vertical a the
end of the run. The pump is a 3" Multiquip QP-3TE with 9HP gas motor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhoScNNYNQI

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Saturday, December 15, 2007

Re: [papercreters] Re:CAPS

THANKS DANA

DON'T WE ALL WANT TO BE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE?

I WAS INJURED IN A CAR ACCIDENT AND HEARING,SIGHT WENT DOWNHILL

GLASSES NO LONGER HELP.

WHEN PEOPLE TELL ME THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MY MOTORIZED WHEELCHAIR I TELL THEM IF THEY CAN MAKE ME NOT NEED IT THEY CAN HAVE IT.

I HOPE YOU AND YOUR HAVE GREAT HOLIDAYS AND A PROSPEROUS

NEXT YEAR.

SC

Dana Smith <dsmith1039@yahoo.com> wrote:

I think you explained yourself perfectly. May God bless you during this season.

Dana Smith

----- Original Message ----
From: SILVERCRONE <newsilvercrone@sbcglobal.net>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 3:04:38 AM
Subject: [papercreters] Re:CAPS

DUE TO SOMEONE ASKING ME TO TURN OFF CAPS

SC

I'M VISUALLY IMPAIRED.I WRITE IN ALL CAPS
I LOVE MY COMPUTER.ALL MY FRIENDS LIVE HERE.
SO DO MY ENEMIES,BUT I DELETE THEM LOL __._,_.___

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Friday, December 14, 2007

Re: [papercreters] Re:CAPS

I think you explained yourself perfectly. May God bless you during this season.

Dana Smith

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Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 3:04:38 AM
Subject: [papercreters] Re:CAPS

DUE TO SOMEONE ASKING ME TO TURN OFF CAPS

ON THE BOTTOM OF EACH OF MY E MAILS IT EXPLAINS WHY I TYPE IN CAPS BUT BECAUSE THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEONE ON A LIST THAT THINKS I'M JUST NOT AWARE OF MODERN TECHNOLOGY I DECIDED TO MAKE THIS MY STANDARD REPLY.

I THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST.

ITS NOT THE READING THAT IS A PROBLEM.THERE ARE ALL KIND OF WAYS FOR THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED TO ENLARGE TO READ.THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE IS NO WAY TO "UN STICK" LOWER CASE LETTERS WHEN TYPING TO TELL WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN HERE IS AN EXAMPLE WHEN YOU WRITE R AND N IN LOWER CASE IT LOOKS LIKE THIS rn THERE ARE MANY LOWER CASE LETTERS THAT "STICK TOGETHER"

UNTIL TECHNOLOGY FIGURES A WAY TO CORRECT THIS , WE WILL HAVE TO WRITE IN CAPS. ACCORDING TO NET MANNERS ITS OK FOR THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED TO TYPE IN CAPS.

THIS IS ONLY CONCESSION WE ASK .PLEASE JUST READ THE CONTENT OR IF IT BOTHERS YOU TO MUCH JUST DELETE

I'M VISUALLY IMPAIRED.I WRITE IN ALL CAPS
I LOVE MY COMPUTER.ALL MY FRIENDS LIVE HERE.
SO DO MY ENEMIES,BUT I DELETE THEM LOL

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Thursday, December 13, 2007

[papercreters] Alternate route to the recipes

Glen Mentgen has copied the current database into a pdf file that he stored at http://www.nurl.us/7ks or http://tinyurl.com/ytrrn2

Thanks, Glen.

Please note that this is not a replacement for the database, it is just easy access to the current (soon to be obsolete) information, for those who are having a problem accessing the recipes. You need the free adobe reader to read it, but that is probably already installed in your browser.

          Spaceman  All opinions expressed or implied are subject to change without notice upon receipt of new facts.

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Re: [papercreters] Hello group owner\admin- registration FAQ

Someone needs to approve your registration. There's a blurb I need to include . . . I'm waiting for someone to get back to me with the blurb. Hopefully, that will happen today. Regardless, as soon as I get the blurb, I'll handle approving those who have registered.

ElfN

----- Original Message -----

From: sheelakasha

I have signed on the PC recipe database (maybe "PC cookbook" is a
more appropriate name?)

how can i add receipies and tests I have been doing lately?

please reply shortly...

much regards
udi

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[papercreters] Re: Papercreters database

All the userid and password does is allow addition of information to the database. It doesn't protect any of your financial information or personal information, other than your email address which is available to anyone in the yahoo group. Because it doesn't protect any sensitive information, there's no point in making it md5 encrypted (appears as asterisks). If any of the moderators sees something in the database that shouldn't be there, the information will be delete and the offender's access will be cut off, so high security isn't a must.

If you don't have recipes to add to the database, there is no reason for you to register. You can view any of the recipes by clicking List Recipes and selecting your preferred sorting method.

ElfN

----- Original Message -----

From: Ruth Ketvirtis

To: elf@elfnori.com

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:03 AM

Subject: Papercreters database

Hi Elf,
I belong to the Yahoo Papercreters group, and tried to register for the database, but my password didn't get disguised as asterisks. Didn't want to join for this reason.
Thanks for all the work you are doing. I know a website in process as people are pushing can be very difficult. However, I appreciate what you are doing.
Best wishes for a joyous holiday.
Ruth

" You don't ever have to do anything sensational in order to love or to be loved. The real drama of life (that which matters most) is rarely center stage or in the spotlight. ." Fred M. Rogers

Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

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[papercreters] Hello group owner\admin- registration FAQ

I have signed on the PC reciepe database (maybe "PC cookbook" is a
more appropriate name?)

my user name on yahoo is sheelakasha though i registered as my Gmail
user Levecosolutions

how can i add receipies and tests I have been doing lately?

please reply shortly...

much regards
udi

Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:

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<*> Your email settings:
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<*> To change settings online go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/join

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Wednesday, December 12, 2007

Re: [papercreters] PAPERCRETE .NET

I'm assuming you mean "sacred" not "afraid". Follow this link and you can view the recipes.

http://www.papercreters.net/index.php?inc=4

You don't need to tell me you registered. I get a notice whenever someone registers. One of the moderators will handle approving your registration. You need to be registered if you want to contribute recipes, but you don't need to be registered to see the recipes.

ElfN

----- Original Message -----

From: silvercronestill

To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 4:11 PM

Subject: [papercreters] PAPERCRETE .NET

.
IM SUPPOSED TO TELL YOU I REGISTERED
OR THE RECIPES THAT SCARED?
SC

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[papercreters] PAPERCRETE .NET

IM SUPPOSED TO TELL YOU I REGISTERED
OR THE RECIPES THAT SCARED?
SC

Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/

<*> Your email settings:
Individual Email | Traditional

<*> To change settings online go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/join

(Yahoo! ID required)

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:

http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [papercreters] new member

Okay, it's on the horizontal menu between register and login. You'll need the email address you signed up with to retrieve your information.

ElfN

----- Original Message -----

From: ElfNori

To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 3:38 PM

Subject: Re: [papercreters] new member

<LOL> Sounds like you used the wrong userid and/or password. Because the login script is generic and functions for all clubs and groups with login, you're getting the standard raspberry. I'm going to add the retrieve login script so you can get your userid and password. Once it's on the menu, click the link and fill out the information and it will send you your userid and password. Use the userid and login you receive to login and enter information.

ElfN

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Re: [papercreters] new member

Uh . . . have you registered? Have you had your registration approved by one of the moderators?

I'm off to add the retrieve login info link.

ElfN

----- Original Message -----

From: SILVERCRONE

To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:27 PM

Subject: Re: [papercreters] new member

IT SAYS I HAVNT PAYED MY DUES SO I CANT LOOK

SC

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Re: [papercreters] new member

If it wanted you to add only, you're in the wrong place.

http://www.papercreters.net/index.php?inc=4

Choose the sort order, then hit go.

ElfN

----- Original Message -----

From: SILVERCRONE

To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [papercreters] new member

I WENT TO SITE AND CANT FIGURE OUT HOW TO LOOK

IT WANTED ME TO ADD ONLY

SC

ElfNori <elf@elfnori.com> wrote:

Visit the site and look. If you have any issues, please let me know. I've got one more script to add, but its lack doesn't stop anyone for adding recipes or looking up recipes. Editing recipes is, of course, an entirely different thing.

ElfN

----- Original Message -----

From: SILVERCRONE

To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:32 AM

Subject: Re: [papercreters] new member

E GET TO SEE THE RECIPES?

SC

HOW DOES ONE GET TO SEE THE RECIPES?

SC

I'M VISUALLY IMPAIRED.I WRITE IN ALL CAPS
I LOVE MY COMPUTER.ALL MY FRIENDS LIVE HERE.
SO DO MY ENEMIES,BUT I DELETE THEM LOL

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Re: [papercreters] new member

<LOL> Sounds like you used the wrong userid and/or password. Because the login script is generic and functions for all clubs and groups with login, you're getting the standard raspberry. I'm going to add the retrieve login script so you can get your userid and password. Once it's on the menu, click the link and fill out the information and it will send you your userid and password. Use the userid and login you receive to login and enter information.

ElfN

----- Original Message -----

From: SILVERCRONE

To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:27 PM

Subject: Re: [papercreters] new member
IT SAYS I HAVNT PAYED MY DUES SO I CANT LOOK

SC

Spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net> wrote:
Welcome to the group.

1. Papercrete is absorbent like a sponge unless you seal it after it is cured.
2. Freeze/Thaw doesn't bother papercrete after it cures.
3. You can form papercrete over a negative mold as long as you remove it once it becomes firm enough. It does shrink while curing (depending on formula used), so might crack if left on the mold.
4. Recipes vary according to the use. A basic recipe would be 2:1 paper to cement by weight, and lots of water to mix. The water drains away leaving the cement in the paper fibers. There is a database of recipes (a work in progress) at http://papercreters.net
5. Throw a bucket of latex paint into the mix. That'll seal it. Recycle your drain water into the next batch. Other sealants used include silicon caulk dissolved in turpentine, asphalt emulsion, deck seal, elastomeric paint. The AE is mixed in like the latex, the others applied after curing.
6. Days to weeks, or even months depending on your climate, temperature, humidity, airflow, and of course thickness.
7. Wet papercrete works a lot like clay. Staining is no problem, it's paper after all.

Papercrete is just a fraction of the weight of concrete, depending on the exact formula used. Send us pictures of your experiments : )
       Spaceman    All opinions expressed or implied  are subject to change without notice  upon receipt of new facts.      mad4glass wrote:
Hi everybody,      1.Is papercrete absorbent after curing (a most important issue for   mosaicists!).  2. Can  papercrete resist the elements in a climate with hot summers   and cold winters (freeze/thaw cycle)? If not, are there any proper   sealants you can recommend me for use? (Not an issue in my current   project).  3. Can I form papercrete over a negative mold (well prepared with a   release agent of course)?  4. I need recipes/mixes for my project in planning. Anyone there who   can help me?  5. Can you recommend the use of latex/acrylic admixes as a fortifier   or are these a no-no in papercrete?  6. Approximate time of curing (depending on thickness and wetness of   course)?  7. Surface treatment - like "wet carving", staining,...?      
I'M VISUALLY IMPAIRED.I WRITE IN ALL CAPS
I LOVE MY COMPUTER.ALL MY FRIENDS LIVE HERE.
SO DO MY ENEMIES,BUT I DELETE THEM LOL
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Re: [papercreters] new member

IT SAYS I HAVNT PAYED MY DUES SO I CANT LOOK

SC

Spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net> wrote:

Welcome to the group.

1. Papercrete is absorbent like a sponge unless you seal it after it is cured.
2. Freeze/Thaw doesn't bother papercrete after it cures.
3. You can form papercrete over a negative mold as long as you remove it once it becomes firm enough. It does shrink while curing (depending on formula used), so might crack if left on the mold.
4. Recipes vary according to the use. A basic recipe would be 2:1 paper to cement by weight, and lots of water to mix. The water drains away leaving the cement in the paper fibers. There is a database of recipes (a work in progress) at http://papercreters.net
5. Throw a bucket of latex paint into the mix. That'll seal it. Recycle your drain water into the next batch. Other sealants used include silicon caulk dissolved in turpentine, asphalt emulsion, deck seal, elastomeric paint. The AE is mixed in like the latex, the others applied after curing.
6. Days to weeks, or even months depending on your climate, temperature, humidity, airflow, and of course thickness.
7. Wet papercrete works a lot like clay. Staining is no problem, it's paper after all.

Papercrete is just a fraction of the weight of concrete, depending on the exact formula used. Send us pictures of your experiments : )
       Spaceman    All opinions expressed or implied  are subject to change without notice  upon receipt of new facts.      mad4glass wrote:
Hi everybody,      1.Is papercrete absorbent after curing (a most important issue for   mosaicists!).  2. Can  papercrete resist the elements in a climate with hot summers   and cold winters (freeze/thaw cycle)? If not, are there any proper   sealants you can recommend me for use? (Not an issue in my current   project).  3. Can I form papercrete over a negative mold (well prepared with a   release agent of course)?  4. I need recipes/mixes for my project in planning. Anyone there who   can help me?  5. Can you recommend the use of latex/acrylic admixes as a fortifier   or are these a no-no in papercrete?  6. Approximate time of curing (depending on thickness and wetness of   course)?  7. Surface treatment - like "wet carving", staining,...?      

I'M VISUALLY IMPAIRED.I WRITE IN ALL CAPS
I LOVE MY COMPUTER.ALL MY FRIENDS LIVE HERE.
SO DO MY ENEMIES,BUT I DELETE THEM LOL __._,_.___

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Re: [papercreters] new member

I WENT TO SITE AND CANT FIGURE OUT HOW TO LOOK

IT WANTED ME TO ADD ONLY

SC

ElfNori <elf@elfnori.com> wrote:

Visit the site and look. If you have any issues, please let me know. I've got one more script to add, but its lack doesn't stop anyone for adding recipes or looking up recipes. Editing recipes is, of course, an entirely different thing.

ElfN

----- Original Message -----

From: SILVERCRONE

To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:32 AM

Subject: Re: [papercreters] new member

E GET TO SEE THE RECIPES?

SC

HOW DOES ONE GET TO SEE THE RECIPES?

SC

I'M VISUALLY IMPAIRED.I WRITE IN ALL CAPS
I LOVE MY COMPUTER.ALL MY FRIENDS LIVE HERE.
SO DO MY ENEMIES,BUT I DELETE THEM LOL __._,_.___

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Re: [papercreters] new member

The only major piece I haven't gotten finished is the edit recipes bit for those who have or will enter recipes. Everything else is there. Any future changes will be to presentation, not to content. Please feel free to enter a recipe if you've got one, any techniques for mixing or applying that recipe, add any projects you have finished or in process for that recipe, etc. At this point, I need to know what works and what doesn't. Nothing should be broken, but I need to know anything needing adjusting or reorganizing. I've written new image upload and edit scripts and will get those included in admin soon. If you who have recipes, techniques and builds (fences, houses, barns, pig sties, etc.) to add, nag me and I'll get it done sooner.

I respond reasonably well to nagging . . . and am hoping to get back to the project soon.

ElfN

----- Original Message -----

From: Spaceman

To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:38 PM

Subject: Re: [papercreters] new member

.
Try clicking the link that says "list recipes" : )

As I said, it's a work in progress, so not very many there yet. Last I heard the project was awaiting final tweaking before folks start entering recipes in bulk. Another source of recipes would be the archives for this list. Just go to the home page and do a search for "recipe".
       Spaceman 

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Re: [papercreters] new member

Try clicking the link that says "list recipes" : )

As I said, it's a work in progress, so not very many there yet. Last I heard the project was awaiting final tweaking before folks start entering recipes in bulk. Another source of recipes would be the archives for this list. Just go to the home page and do a search for "recipe".

        Spaceman  All opinions expressed or implied are subject to change without notice upon receipt of new facts.

SILVERCRONE wrote:

HOW DOES ONE GET TO SEE THE RECIPES?

SC

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