Papercreters: Re: [papercreters] Re: my first posting

hey, thats true, one could easily go papercrete mad-hard to find peeps
that are obsessed with mud and slurries at th supermarket, tell u wot!

On 1/23/11, Ron Richter <ronerichter@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Josephine,
> On the bottom of most posts to this forum is a link to Photos. This the
> real "learning area" as far as I'm concerned, especially if a picture is
> worth a thousand words. One of our members, Bob the Builder, has posted
> some really explicit photos of his experiments with Papercrete (PC) as far
> as sidewalks are concerned. I believe he used adobe (mud) in some instead
> of (or in addition to) portland cement like many of the rest of us use. He
> will jump in here and explain it I'm sure.
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> Anyway here is a direct link to his sidewalk "stones" and then you could
> look at all the other cool pictures as well.
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/photos/album/1000048770/pic/list
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> CAUTION: Visiting this site of pictures may steal your life from you! Your
> time may not be your own and all your friends may think you've suddenly
> changed nationalities with this new language you speak.
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> Have fun.
> Ron
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> Hi Ben
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> Thankyou for your
> reply
> I dont know if I was expecting
> anything...but that was great. If you have a pic of the sidewalk for me that
> would be wonderful..
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> Josephine
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> We had some extra papercrete and put it on the ground as a
> sidewalk. Amazingly, it has held up even though: 1) it is directly on dirt
> with no provisions for drainage; 2) we are NY, a more humid climate than
> some;
> and 3) it is under trees. I am not sure it stays truly hard, but it has
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> disintegrated.
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> I will try to attach a pix "Papercrete Sidewalk" to
> this. Just as an aside, the irregular appearance of our little test house
> is
> because we were trying different finishin coats.
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> Ben Viglietta
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> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com,
> "Josephine" <josephine15@...> wrote:
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>> Judith
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>> This is my very first message.
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>> I am fascinated with
> Papercrete and want to know if you can apply it directly to the ground to
> make
> slabs to walk on or to have under a patio or make a path with it. This
> would
> save a lot of time leveling the ground etc.
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>> And do you think
> Papercrete would be suitable for this application in all environments
> ...like
> rain and hot sun that we have here in Australia?
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>> Cant wait to
> hear your reply
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>> Many thanks
>> Josephine
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> Australia
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: JUDITH WILLIAMS
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>> I agree with Spaceman that the simple form of
> papercrete should be all that is needed. However, if you have something
> lying
> around that you would throw away anyway you could consider putting it in
> the
> mix. I ended up with thousands of woven polypropylene bags a few years
> ago.
> When I tried to fill one to use as an earthbag I discovered that they had
> deteriorated and are not strong enough. So I'm thinking of using some of
> them
> as an underlayment for a papercrete floor or just cutting them up and
> throwing
> then in the mixer. I know I am tired of moving them every time in neaten
> up. I
> haven't deviated much from the original "recipe" but I think anything that
> has
> fibers would be fine in a mix. They must be kept short though or they will
> tangle around the blade.
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>> They who can give up essential
> liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor
> safety.
>> ~ in Memoirs of the Life and Writings of Benjamin
> Franklin
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>> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
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> From: Spaceman@...
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>> For
> what purpose? Papercrete is fine for building just the way it is, plenty
> of
> compression strength. I don't think anyone wants to build a bank vault
> with
> it. IMHO if you are looking for a material with high tensile strength, you
> want something other than papercrete. My experience with putting metal
> into
> papercrete is that the pc shrinks away from the metal leaving it rattling
> around in a void. I don't have a source of cuttings to try in a batch, but
> since you do, how about doing some tests and posting the results?
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>> Rope would add some nice fibers, would probably need to be cut into
> short pieces and then shredded so that the fibers can mix with the paper.
> Just
> throwing rope into a mix won't work too well. Again, why would you want to
> do
> this since pc works great without it? It seems to be a lot of extra work
> for
> possibly a marginal improvement.
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>> spacemanAll
> opinions expressed or impliedare subject to change without noticeupon
> receipt
> of new information.http://Starship-Enterprises.Net
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> On 1/14/2011 4:52 AM, derk wrote:
>> The reason i ask is i watched a tv
> programme about safe bank vault building and in the concreting process
> they
> use stainless steel cuttings which make the finished concrete slab
> amazingly
> strong in both compression and tensile situations. For papercrete i
> imagine
> you need a scrap product that would adhere readily to it. IF you used old
> rope
> how long would the strand of rope have to be , when in the process would
> you
> add them to the papercrete mix , how else would adding rope effect the
> other
> qualities of the finished product... derk
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