Friday, May 20, 2011

Re: [papercreters] Re: Share your clay recipes



Hello Ashok
 
I have done a different experiment. On one hand I tried adding portland to the paper/water mix. This resulted in fairly nice bricks that held their shape. On the other I tried just drying the mulched paper. THe resultant brick was deformed and had shrunk a fair bit. My conclusion was that the portland added structure to the paper as it cured and thus added better pouricity to the block.
 
As to decay I think one has to consider the chemical makeup of clay vs portland. Clay is what I plant my garden in. It supports life. The kind of life that decomposes plant material. As long as there is some amount of moisture, these organisms will be active at doing what they do best. Portland on the other hand is caustic. Extremly corrosive (check out the warnings on the package). Thus portland makes a much better preservative than clay.
 
However!!! I once read a Mother Earth News article on the use of clay with sand and asphalt emulsion. I have also heard of clay used in combination with lime. The addition of lime or the emulsion create a chemical change in the clay that allow it to harden and form a somewhat water resistant material. This would certianly slow down if not completely stop any breakdown of organic material (paper).  
 
I did try mixing some wood ash with the mulched paper to see what that would do. Structurely it was similar to the paper mulch brick but chemically it was different. The ash is insulative and caustic (lye). Both are desireable when working with wet paper. Not sure what portland would have done to that mix.
 
Something else that seemed to work better. I took the white styrofoam packaging that most electronics comes in these days and put it in my paper mulcher. I then took the paper and foam and placed it in a form and let it dry. The strength of the block seemed somewhat less but the shape was less deformed.
 
I haven't done any other experimenting with these recipies. Let me know if someone has.

Victor @
The Stoneybog

--- On Fri, 5/20/11, ashokchand2000 <ashokchand2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: ashokchand2000 <ashokchand2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Share your clay recipes
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Received: Friday, May 20, 2011, 2:12 AM

 
Dear Pam,
Consider the following thought experiment.
In a papercrete mixer put the newsprint and water but do not put in the cement and run it.

What will result?

In my understanding, the mixer, working as a pulper alone, will shred the newsprint into wood fibre and mix air in the mix making it quite light and foamy.

If you add cement to the mix, papercrete results.
So what is different in the two experiments?

Cement actually coats the shredded newsprint (wood fibre) with itself protecting the wood fibre from the environment so that it no longer decays. Also, to some extent,the cement expands and fills the voids created by the mixing. The long setting time of papercrete allows the voids to gather some strength.

Clay has no natural affinity to anything. That includes wood fibre. It will not coat individual wood fibres but will mix between the wood fibres.
It does not expand on coming in contact with water.

This suggests that the resulting mix will have very poor strength and will decay with time.
Regards
Ashok

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@...> wrote:
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> How about starting out by substituting clay for cement in the same amount then adjusting from there. Please share if you do this. I have been doing it and am having good results, but seem to think more clay than cement is required. I am serious about your sharing your results. Attention to detail is not my forte.
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> "There are none happy in the world but being who enjoy freely a vast horizon." Damodora
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> Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercretebyjudith.com/blog
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> More papercrete info at http://squidoo.com/papercretebyjudith
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> I live in Alabama so red clay is abundant, I would think that the clay would have to be dried and sifted to use in papercrete? Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®From: "PamC" <honeyland12@...>
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> Hello everyone Pam here from east TN, I'm looking for a clay recipe so I can quit using cement in my papercrete, plz help
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