Re: [papercreters] Re: Floor Question for Ron and Doris

You mention that building codes probably save lives. That is the common argument that the code people use and I find it to be very untruthful. I challenge anyone to show documented proof of a home not built to code falling over onto a neighbor's lot, collapsing in the night and killing the occupants or whatever. Houses may sag, foundations will crack and sheetrock break, but, give me a break, they just dont' collapse in a heap. You are more likely to have that happen to a commercially built and "engineered " commercial structure than in someone's do it yourself house. And, Ron and Doris, I commend you on your beautiful addition to your home. The point I am making is that it is not possible to build such a structure within areas where codes are enforced now matter how well designed and sturdily built. And if big companies ever get in the PC business, which I doubt very much, the product will be as expensive  as standard building materials, again negating the promise of papercrete as an affordable way for people of limitied means to build a home. --- On Mon, 5/30/11, doris <yakishome@yahoo.com> wrote: From: doris <yakishome@yahoo.com> Subject: [papercreters] Re: Floor Question for Ron and Doris To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 3:58 PM   Building codes add expense and complexity to any type of building especially innovative materials that have not been tested over time. Codes probably save lives by making it difficult to cut too many corners. Our building is not that cheap. There is a lot of cement in that paper (probably too much). I think it would hold up to a tornado better than a lot of stick homes we have seen on the news lately(all built to code). Anything new has to be "not normal" and difficult and subversive to a degree. As for the future, I think a big company will adapt papercrete to a new type of insulated concrete forms. Fully engineered, mass produced and greener than the foam they currently use. But you make a good point Donald, but I would at least scale up to dog houses. Ronthebuilder --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Donald Miller <donald1miller@...> wrote: > > For all of us ooh-ing and ahh-ing over Ron and Doris' addition, and it is quite impressive, remember that for the vast majority of us living in areas with building code enforcement, this building would never be allowed without the very expensive OK from an architect or engineering firm. And it probably wouldn't be allowed in it's present form even with that. Not without a lot of very expensive and unnecessary changes. Which defeats the purpose of Papercrete as an economical building medium in which a low cost and safe home can be built by people of modest means and abilities. This is why the papercrete movement with all it's promise will never be realized and the medium will be reduced to being used for birdhouses. > > --- On Mon, 5/30/11, countryatheartok <criswells.ok@...> wrote: > > > From: countryatheartok <criswells.ok@...> > Subject: [papercreters] Re: Floor Question for Ron and Doris > To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 7:46 AM > > >   > > > > > I was just about to correct my question when I read your answer, I went > back through the photo section and saw where Ron had laid down a 2x4 > frame and covered it with OSB. That is still pretty amazing. Velva and I > are amazed as how well your project has turned out. We wish we were both > retired so we would have more time to devote to our little project. > > Bob & Velva > Question: Is Ron laying Laminate flooring directly over the PC > subfloor? > > No there were the 4X8 forms of PC he laid first then put plastic over > that then over that he built a frame like structure out of 2x4's then > the sub-floor on top of that then the laminate flooring. I think there > are some pictures in the older photo album where you can see the process > if not let me know and I will post them. > Hope this helps. > > Doris and Ron > > > > > >

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