Hi All;
Calle made an important point about the time it takes to do P/C in formed applications. Up where I live it is a way difficult scenario... might be at best 5 months in which P/C could be made into blocks. By the way... building an entire home equates to a lot of P/C being made!
The answer I have found cuts the process down to days instead of months. I use blocks that are already made... that are a burden to the farmer all-in-all, that have better environmental returns, and that are more cost effective. Strawbales that are coated in P/C have advantages over any known building method?! At least in my many years of research I have not found otherwise. But, if you know something (your proven research)I don't please let me know?
Take Care........... Bob
--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, calle vallede <valledecalle@...> wrote:
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> Good Morning PCers,
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> My comments will be that if we want some relief from all this garbage, why don't we get a bill through each states legistative body to get some relief.
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> I know the the county where we will build does not have all of these regs. I have a feeling that the unions are into this big time.
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> So contact your state senator and see if we can do something about it on a state by state basis.
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> After see the book "The Independent Home or House" that someone has on their web site, I like that much better than "Living Off The Grid"Â makes one sound over the top "Green" which is the hot button word now.
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> Please don't take this the wrong way, but I was raised Green by my parents, only it went to all aspects of living. We reuse, we recycle clothing (belong to Freecycle, and Freesource, use Craigslist etc) but refuse to have to go the expensive route, ie the lets make as much money off these folks as we can.   Being economical, living as frugally as possible should be the name of the game.
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> It only takes a few of us to start the ball to rolling. You have to approach it from a very common sense kind of direction, be as professional as possible and give them great examples. Please let them know that for each permit that has to be issured that they have to hire more folks to process it, and that that is not being green on a local or county or state level. We need to be green with our employement also.
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> When you look at how many work for the city, county, state and feds it is almost more than those of us supporting them.
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> Each of you has so much to contribute, thanks and I hope to get to know more of you as time goes on.
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> At times it seems just too much to learn , to absorbtion is too slow, and I seem to be running too fast. Even though I have studied different alternative building methods for years, papercrete is the one I want to do, but it seems so time intensive.
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> Off to get more cleaning done, if I only had hired help. LOL
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> Calle
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> Thanks Bob that answered a lot of questions I had about applying P/C over OSB exterior. I notice you measure P/C mixtures the same way I do, now I have one more question, I see below that you say " Applying P/C over a strawbale wall is to my knowledge the most efficient way to assemble a home" My question is, when you apply the P/C over strawbales outside, do you then seal the P/C with something like Ferrocement? (which can also be blown) Also I notice you live in one of the last portions of America that enjoys Freedom, I work for a city that had lax rules for building, we knew we were suppose to enforce stricter rules but we really need housing, our governer just had to accept the stimulus money from the Federal Goverment and now we have to enforce a set of rules that was patterend after California building laws, we never required a builder to have a license (only the plumbing, electrical, HVAC trades) now since out governor took the Federal Money
> we now have to license everybody including roofers, drywallers, general builders.... .etc. Our country is going to pop if they don't quite putting heavier laws on us. Oh yeah in order to support that Fed requirement, we have to collect a $5.00 fee to check everybody's insurance and bonds, and send $4.50 to the Government telling them we did. Man that has got to take the cake.
> Thanks for your quick return
> Bob T B
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> --- In papercreters@ yahoogroups. com, "Bob" <robertmerrill1953@ ...> wrote:
> Â Hi There;
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> Yes, the P/C was applied over OSB and many other concoctions that had
> Â served the warehouse. The carpet was an industrial low / tight nap with
> Â woven (Kanga) backing. I don't recommend carpet that has foam backing.
> Â In regards to dampening... I have never applied a stucco-like material
> Â without pre-moistening. Often curing the application with addition
> Â misting. as far as where it is used...... obviously P/C (alias the big
> Â sponge) can never be inundated with moisture... snow, driving rain,
> Â backsplash.. .. are all taboooo!!!! Hope this helps you.
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> Take Care........ ..... Bob
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> Â --- In papercreters@ yahoogroups. com, "countryatheartok"
> Â criswells.ok@ wrote:
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> Â Bob, I was looking over you photo post and saw that you had applied PC
> Â over discarded carpet that was held in place with wood laths. Before
>  you applied the PC, did you dampen the carpet? Also do you think this
> Â procedure would work on the outside of an OSB exterior wall?
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> Â Bob T B
> Applying P/C over a strawbale wall is to my knowledge the most
> efficient way to assemble a home. Compare time, money, and the issues
> Â that comprise sustainability and this wall cannot be beat. That is why
> Â it is nearly impossible to build in America. I live in one of the last
> of the portions of America that enjoys freedom. Note the glass facing
> southward. But, what you cannot see os the 25 tons of river rock under
> the floors... P.A.H.S. (passive annual heat storage). Stores the
> summers excess heat for use into the winter. Suppose someday we two-leggers
> will be as smart as the gophers and groundhogs??
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> Â The non-shrink P/C mix design best for coating bales:
> 1 part portland;Â
> 2Â parts lime;Â
> 3Â parts clay;
> 6-8 parts sand; and
> 20 parts emulsified paper (drained).
>
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