Saturday, September 1, 2007

[papercreters] papercrete covered containers -was- Re: ugly eco home

You have the ideal tool to make any shabby block work disappear. Use
that sprayer and spray a layer of papercrete stucco over the top.
Use a little lime in the mix to help it stick. You should even be
able to trowel it nice and smooth if that's your desire. Heck if you
really want a flat surface try to screed the wall with a long
straight edge after spraying.

Whether you feel the amount of labor involved was worth the effort is
clearly a personal value judgement. Insulating the container makes a
lot of sense but how you insulate it depends upon what other factors
are important to you.


All any insulation will do is even out the temperature changes in any
structure. If you add thermal mass inside, you can ventilate and
cool the inside at night and close it up during the day.
(summertime). Insulation doesn't replace the need for
heating/cooling it just lowers the demands on the heating/cooling
system. Is there space where you could put a metal barrel inside?
Maybe use it as a plant stand or something? Decorate it and fill it
with water. If you cool that water at night, you can blow a fan
across that barrel during the day keeping the inside comfortable.
Simple cheap and effective. Want a fancier system? Try 2 barrels.
One inside and one outside. Put a tiny pump in place to pump water
back and forth between the barrels. Put the pump on a timer so that
the water sits in the outside one during the night and on the inside
one during the day. I suggest cannibalizing an old dead washing
machine for solenoid valves. If the outside tank sits on top of the
container gravity can be used to drain the water inside in the
morning.

Keep in mind that Mikey is in a desert climate. I'm assuming
typically low humidity. Wetter climates will want to do something
about condensation on the inside tank.

Of course, you can always stick a window air conditioner in a wall.


--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Mikey Sklar <sklarm-yahoo@...>
wrote:
>
>
> I feel like I spent too much time insulating my office container.
The
> result is really just a slow down of temperature shifts. Keep in
mind
> I used up to 15" of PC in some areas. I will probably end up
redoing
> it as well to get a different shape as my block work is shabby.
>
> On the other hand. If i needed a instant storage or workshop I
would
> consider buying the refridgerated containers made by Matsoy (used
of
> course). These go for about $3500 for a 33' container and have
been
> pre insulated on the inside with 7" of foam then stainless steel
> walls added. They are very futuristic.
>
> The pro's who do container mods for these scifi prefabs and custom
> cases for secret weapons usually fur out the containers with
1x2's.
> They add 2" of blue eps across the walls and ceiling.
>
> On Sep 1, 2007, at 7:36 AM, slurryguy wrote:
>
> > Dang. I sure wish I had read this second post of John's before I
> > replied to his first one.
> >
> > <sigh>
> >
> > I guess he's not talking about an uninsulated container after all.
> >
> > My previous comments don't apply the same to INSULATED containers.
> >
> > Oh well. Maybe my last post served a purpose and illustrated some
> > issues that were unrelated to what John is advocating. At the
very
> > least I got a good rant out of my system. It felt good at the
> > time. :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "John Annesley" <John@>
wrote:
> >>
> >> Regarding it looking like a cargo container, just so you know- I
> > have built with papercrete
> >> using my own free labor, but if you were to actually hire folks
to
> > run the equipment and build
> >> a papercrete house, it would likely be cheapest just to coat
cargo
> > containers with papercrete,
> >> rather than try to build a load bearing papercrete wall system
and
> > bond beam or post and
> >> beam with papercrete infill, and then framing a roof of some
kind.
> > Plus, cargo containers are
> >> getting past code in California and all over the world in small
and
> > large construction alike;
> >> there's precedent. They can't burn so inspectors may be fine with
> > coating them with a
> >> relatively untested insulator such as papercrete instead of the
> > current trend of using rigid
> >> foam insulation on the exterior of buildings and then giving
that a
> > stucco coat. One might be
> >> able to get the major inspections taken care of without code
being
> > concerned with what
> >> comprises the 'stucco' coat: one could consider papercrete as a
> > thick alternative stucco and I
> >> might be wrong, but perhaps inspections aren't required for
stucco
> > work? I'm in rural AZ and
> >> don't have to worry about codes at the moment.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>



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