I think I just got jabbed about the length of my posts.
Daoh! (Quoting a line I'm sure is in a new animated movie.)
Guilty as charged.
--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "ElfNori" <elf@...> wrote:
>
> I haven't read the whole post (but will) as I'm massively pressed
for time, but wanted to add my 2 cents.
>
> The building code needs to be divided into function
> Infill
> Insulation
> Stucco
> Structural
>
> You know what an organization freak I am . . . and I think that's
where we need to start. I've only listed those that come to my mind
immediately and have to do with building construction.
>
> ElfN
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: slurryguy
> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:01 AM
> Subject: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete building code.
>
>
> I can envision several starting points. Most of them could be
worked
> on simultaneously.
>
> 1) Important! Define what "WE" want. What are the expectations of
> the Papercreters membership? I'm talking basic principles for
> starters. The specifics will get defined in our draft papercrete
> code. Members will be able to help discuss and define those
> specifics as it gets written. Right now we need to set goals.
>
> 2) Get Organized. Who will take the lead on this project? I'm
> willing to help organize. There will need to be a lead person
> pulling information together and crafting a draft document. I'm
> willing to contribute to the writing process, but being the lead
> writer is more than I can do right now. Ideally all the draft
> documentation will be published online so any of us can refer to
it
> as we craft our proposal. We don't want this stashed on someone's
> hard drive. How much of our discussions belong on the
Papercreters
> email list? It's all on topic, but I don't want to overload this
> list and hamper the great chemistry we've built here. For now
let's
> keep it here, but I'll have alternatives at the ready if we need
to
> take some discussion off this list.
>
> 3) Examine the existing codes. This is an area where we can
> leverage the entire membership of Papercreters. Right now we have
> almost 600 members. If as little as 10% helped out, that would be
a
> team of 60 people pulling together for the same goal.
>
> I bet some of the already written existing codes could be
partially
> plagiarized to make the writing of a papercrete code go faster
and
> easier. We could divide and conquer. Papercrete is a wood
product,
> so it makes sense that much of what exists for stick framing,
timber
> framing, and log construction would apply well, but not
everything.
> Other currently coded materials will parallel in a similar
manner.
> Some stuff is similar, some isn't.
>
> The following materials in the existing codes may have some
topics
> that parallel papercrete, but not everything.
>
> Stick Framing
> Timber Framing
> Log Construction
> Strawbale Construction
> Concrete Construction
> Brick and Masonry
> SIP's
> Cellulose Insulation
> Stucco
> Plaster
> Roofing
> others I didn't think of off the top of my head.
>
> Many members may have experience in a particular topic and can
> rapidly dig through the code and pull out examples of text that
might
> be easily plagiarized to become part of a papercrete code. With
> enough volunteers we could rapidly do massive research.
>
> 4) Examine other existing codes. Some other codes may
> need "tweaking" to relate well to papercrete. Plumbing,
Electrical,
> HVAC, Insulation, Foundation, and others may need some kind of
> special considerations when associated with papercrete. The vast
> majority of those systems will work fine just as written, but a
few
> special details may be important. The same divide and conquer
> attitude using many volunteers can speed this along.
>
> Do we have a member that is a Plumber? He/she would be ideal to
dig
> through the plumbing codes to see if any special allowances need
to
> be made when plumbing a papercrete structure.
>
> Electrician? same as above.
>
> etc...
>
> 5) Research what is required to submit proposals for the IBC.
> Ideally we'd have someone that is an expert.
> Here's the website:
>
http://www.iccsafe.org/
>
> Do we have a member that has dealt with the organization before?
>
> It would be great to have a several members that are willing to
dig
> deep into that web site and become experts on what is required.
>
> 6) Start defining what is unknown. We don't know everything we
need
> to know. As we go along we need to define specifics about the
> information that needs to be collected to successfully put
papercrete
> into the IBC. Initially we may not have the resources required to
> get the information we need. At least we need to know where we
> stand. Once we know what is missing we can start planning what we
> need to do to get what we need.
>
> All of this can be divided up and worked on. The lead writer
should
> NOT be expected to do it all. There are many smart and
resourceful
> members here. Working together, it will be much easier.
>
> The best question a member can ask about this project:
>
> "Where can I be of the most help? What can I do?"
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Portell" <chris@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I had a sad phone convo today with my local building
department. I
> tried to be jovial, but a think Jubba Da Hut was on the other end
of
> the fun, judging by his grunts. ]
> > What he did say was that the material needs to have a geoligist
or
> engineering firm to test the material. Crickey!>?
> >
> > anyone have a few geologists and engineers laying around?
> >
> > I am actuall tempted to just start thumbing throught the yellow
> pages and start raqndomly calling these guys. Haven't mustard up
the
> courage yet though.
> >
> > What is the exact steps that we need to pursure to get it coded?
> > IMO i think we should start with an engineering firm er
something
> like that.
> > Thoughts?
> > Chris
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: slurryguy
> > To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 10:04 AM
> > Subject: [papercreters] Papercrete building code.
> >
> >
> > We've discussed building codes and the desire seems to be
> > overwhelming, if not nearly unanimous that we'd like to see
> > papercrete incorporated into the International Building Code.
> >
> > Think about some of the discussions we've had about other
> building
> > code topics. Think about how some codes seem to make sense an
> others
> > seem designed to cause headaches and expense.
> >
> > How do "WE" want a papercrete building code to be written?
> >
> > I'm convinced that eventually papercrete will end up in the
code.
> > The question is, WHO WILL WRITE IT? Will the papercrete code be
> > based upon a document written by a company that is manufacuring
> > various products and sees it as an opportunity to boost their
> sales?
> > Would such a point of view on the code make it more difficult
to
> > build inexpensively? Who knows what restrictions or other
product
> > requirements might be included in a papercrete code written by
a
> > commercial entity?
> >
> > Why wait?
> >
> > Why should we stand idly by and wait for someone to write a
code
> that
> > may or may not be workable for most of our members?
> >
> > We may not have all the information and documented testing data
> that
> > will eventually be required to gain offical papercrete
acceptance
> in
> > the code, but why can't we START NOW?
> >
> > Why can't we begin to write a code proposal TODAY? RIGHT NOW!
> > Who among us has experience writing these kinds of documents?
> > Is there a volunteer to take the lead on this kind of project?
> >
> > What are the key points that should be addressed in a
papercrete
> > building code?
> >
> > What would be safe?
> >
> > How can a papercrete code be written such that it will help
avoid
> > problems?
> >
> > I submit that we can start a rough draft of a code proposal
with
> the
> > information we already have on hand. We may not know everything
> we
> > need to. We do know some of it. A journey begins with a single
> > step. A draft code proposal would also serve to help define
> EXACTLY
> > what additional information we need to learn to make it happen.
> >
> > I'm willing to help. I volunteer be part of the solution. I CAN
> NOT
> > and I WILL NOT do it alone. There's too much that I don't know
to
> be
> > fully qualified to do the project solo. I will contribute the
> best
> > that I can.
> >
> > To be done properly, it makes sense to have several specialties
> > advising in crafting such a document. Architect, Engineer,
> Builder,
> > Lawyer, Electrician, Plumber, HVAC specialist, and probably
some
> > others. I bet most of these specialties are represented in our
> > membership. Above all, one person good at writing technical
type
> > documents needs to take the lead.
> >
> > Who wants in? Who is willing to contribute? Speak up! Let's get
> > started!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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