Saturday, October 17, 2009

[papercreters] Re: Illinois weather sodium silicate in some paints/ good for papercrete



I am using ferrocement and concrete for our earhsheltered house My Wife and I are building, Mainly because it will be partially below grade and want to be sure it can handle the moisture.
 
I do beleive papercrete will work in wet weather as long and you break the conductivity from papercrete and concrete foundation so it will not absorb moisture.  and keep above grade and under 3-4 ft eave all around house and protected from weather.(cobb would do as well) I would like to try after we get our house  project done . Has to be better than the chinese drywall.
 
I do think building codes should and must be more conducive for self building using  waste stream materials as you are all doing and I am against families going into debt working forever paying a bank for their house, Better for family to build their own house of materials as you are doing without the mortgage.  
 
But the biggies with the money have little incentive to release us from slavery.
 
They want to inslave us more with regulations, red tape etc for control. Safety is on the bottom of the list. (look at your approved chinese drywall that has made people sick )
I am not a fan of drywall period. rather have a cement based product or natural clay.

--- On Sat, 10/17/09, Jim Elbrecht <elbrecht@email.com> wrote:

From: Jim Elbrecht <elbrecht@email.com>
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: F/C joins earthship sodium silicate in some paints/ good for papercrete
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 7:36 AM

 
Cool. I've got a gallon of that I bought for a lampworking project.
I'll put it to use.

I got my gallon from
http://www.chemistr ystore.com/ search.cgi? keywords= sodium+silicate [$15
& another $15 to ship it to NY- but I couldn't find it locally in a
small size]

">My 2 cents hope is helpful, I am in Illinois cool and wet now, so I
am using ferrocement instead of papercrete here. "

Very helpful- thanks. I've been wondering if PC made sense for
our northern climes. Are you saying you use Ferro-cement 'this time
of year' -- or because we have 'this time of year' Ferrocement is a
better choice?

I'm having a hard time imagining PC lasting through 100 NY winters-
and have been wondering if it isn't just coincidence [and local style]
that most of the folks on this list are from the Southwest.

Jim

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:07:17 -0000, "jgbigard" <jgbigard@yahoo. com>
wrote:

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>SOME latex pain contains sodium silicate, which can act as an accelerator, too much silicate can accel to much and have weaker laminate,but unless you put all latex pain into mix, prob not a problem.
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>I also use sodium silicate in my mix water for concrete and ferrocment mix (1 0unce per 10 pounds cement)seems to mix better and cleanup easier.
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>Then I also take sodium silicate and mix 1 part water,put into sprayer and spray the completed concrete pour or ferrocment to seal the suface to lock in moisture so will cure and not dry.
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>Sodium silicate diluted with water also sprayed onto concrete is supposed to help waterproof it. Lot of products to make concrete waterproof has or still has silicate in it. One of the best is lithium silicate (sp)
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>Sodium silicate is also called water glass. (dip eggs to preserve them)also fire retarder,added to degreasers, cleaners ,detergent,helps keep thing in suspension and used as a paper glue, may be great for the papercrete mix.
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>Chemical co. sell in drums for best price, 350.00 to 500.00 for the pure stuff , I think drumweighs 6-700pds heavy stuff like syrup and them mix with water a drum goes long ways. (bantag may be one)
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>My 2 cents hope is helpful, I am in Illinois cool and wet now, so I am using ferrocement instead of papercrete here.
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>--- In papercreters@ yahoogroups. com, "robertmerrill1953" <robertmerrill1953@ ...> wrote:
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>> The term "kick" is used to describe set-up time. If we have found one flaw in F/C it is the length of cure time. I found by accident that latex paint has an effect on the cure time. Whilst doing a workshop at Lost Valley we thru some discarded paint in the tow mixer. As usual we did not use it all and I simply covered it for the next days class. Imagine my surprise to find a half full tow mixer solidified the next a.m.!! I have since been using latex to cure times more reasonable and to add some moisture resistence to the mix.
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>> Yes, F/C stands for Fibrecrete which is none other than P/C papercrete. I particularly refer to a mix that utilizes emulsified fibre, portland cement, lime, clay, and sand. It gives me the non-shrink material necessary for the plastering of bare strawbales.
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>> No, there is never such a thing as a stupid question.... .. maybe some dumb answers though?! hahaha
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