Interesting entry for sure. Are you planning on driving on that?
Spaceman
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hi everyone...!
here is my entry for y'all....
the album name is pail 'o' papercrete....
i hope i did it right...
im not the best at computer stuff..
slap me with some feedback...cheers..teri ann
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Exactly.
The ability to simply scoop up the heaviest ingedients from a pile would be extra nice.
I agree that a faster spin rate would be helpful. Adding some teeth to the auger edges would help shred the paper too.
Of course... if you have a front-end loader, no reason why you couldn't use the simple bucket as a tool to help load ingredients into a more traditional mixer. It shouldn't be too difficult to come up with a way to drain a mixer into a loader so that it can lift and place the slurry where you want it.
No need to get all complicated with the system.
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> That works great as a mortar mixer, but I don't think it would pulp
> paper turning that slow. I like the way it adapts from a gate fill, to
> a hose fill. I'll bet it could be adapted to a tractor front-end loader
> real easy. Wouldn't it be great to have something like that to pulp
> paper, mix and dump any height!
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Here is another one, but it isn't a tow mixer. I think you can see some obvious advantages. I loads extremely easily, and could make lifting the slurry to fill high forms trivially simple.
I wonder how difficult it would be to custom build one to fit the front-end-loader on a tractor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZBNgx9shY4
I'm also a sucker for the music sound track.
That works great as a mortar mixer, but I don't think it would pulp paper turning that slow. I like the way it adapts from a gate fill, to a hose fill. I'll bet it could be adapted to a tractor front-end loader real easy. Wouldn't it be great to have something like that to pulp paper, mix and dump any height!
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Here is another one, but it isn't a tow mixer. I think you can see some obvious advantages. I loads extremely easily, and could make lifting the slurry to fill high forms trivially simple.
I wonder how difficult it would be to custom build one to fit the front-end-loader on a tractor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZBNgx9shY4
I'm also a sucker for the music sound track.
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> I wonder if anyone else has had this idea of using an auger (screw)
> instead of a lawn mower blade? I can also see making it into a
> stationary mixer very easily using a side shaft motor and maybe a slip
> clutch to get it up to speed slowly. The far end of the auger could be
> inside a larger pipe with holes in the side of the pipe to force the
> pulp through. It would work a lot like a kitchen sink garbage disposer.
> The screw compactor post I made a while back
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzHyMwfUNbc&feature=related
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzHyMwfUNbc&feature=related> gave me
> the idea. But instead of turning slow dry I think turning fast in water
> would do the trick as well.
>
> Bob the Builder
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I wonder if anyone else has had this idea of using an auger (screw) instead of a lawn mower blade? I can also see making it into a stationary mixer very easily using a side shaft motor and maybe a slip clutch to get it up to speed slowly. The far end of the auger could be inside a larger pipe with holes in the side of the pipe to force the pulp through. It would work a lot like a kitchen sink garbage disposer. The screw compactor post I made a while back http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzHyMwfUNbc&feature=related gave me the idea. But instead of turning slow dry I think turning fast in water would do the trick as well.
Bob the Builder
What I really wanted to ask about is the 1, 2, and 3 pictures of your pressed blocks. Did you use the press you had made with the air assist bottle jacks, or a new method?
Yes, I used the air assisted bottle jack to make all the blocks and the 4" PVC pipe tube block.
I still think that is the way to go. A guy could build bricks all winter and sell them in the spring. You are in the industry, how much does one of those 7-5/8 X 7-5/8 X 15-3/8 hollowed out bricks run anyway (that may not be the current dimensions as I took the measurements off one laying around here that may date to the 30's)? If they are less than $2.00 a piece that is probably too competetive for our labor intensive bricks, but if they are closer to 3 then the idea is intriguing.
The price for what they call for is 8x8x16 but your measurements are what they actually are, that allows for a morter bed, and they run about $1.95 each. But you have to figure in additional cost for morter and a brick layer and that adds about$4.00 more to the cost. That is why I think the T Lox Block have it made over the conventional laying method.
I head up the Alcan for Alaska tomorrow so I am in the throes of cleaning up, prepping for the sojurn, and closing the place up for the winter.
I see a new mixer, an axle change with a vehicle for power, and a press on next summer's agenda. A stationary tow mixer is going to be parked in the middle of the next structure I build with a mountain of paper nearby. We'll see.
I going to post pictures of my press as soon as I get time, I think everybody that is thinking about pressing will like the idea. I also have a new idea for a mixer, using your idea of an auger inside a tank running across the middle or bottom of the tank. The setup would be much the same as the tow mixer except it would have four wheels instead of just two, the tank would be placed between the two sets of wheels and the u-joint connection would be in the side of the the tank with the augar on the end of it and it would run across the tank and be supported on the opposit end so it would stay straight, the vortex would run right to left instead of top to bottom. Just something that popped into my head.
You seem to have a goodly supply of paper where do you get it? When I'm here for the duration (retired) I can set up a regular pick-up route to obtain paper on a regular basis, but I live (as many of us do) out in the sticks so the weekly route will be 60 to 70 miles.
My wife works at a Doctor's clinic with three or four doc's and her clinic, and also where I work at City Hall, it is amazeing how much paper is shred everyday at these places, and they always put it into plastic bags. They would be very thankful if someone would pick it up so they don't have to haul it to the dumpster.
Ron
--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" <criswells.ok@...> wrote:
Perry! Thanks so much for the plastic wrap idea. I used it inside my
papercrete mold and it worked great. Like I thought it does create
wrinkles and also some little air pockets, but for stones or bricks it
will work great. Saves a lot of time and hassle of drying and removing
the stone from the mold. All I had to do to remove it, was just turn it
over on its back and the plastic wraped stone slipped right out. Now I
can do a assemblyline and really start to turn out stones.
Thanks again
Bob the builder
P.S. I didn't use a plastic bag, I used that stuff you wrap up multiple
boxes on a shipping skid.
P.S. I POSTED PICTURES OF THE MOLD(S) AND THE NEWLY POURED STONE. The other molds I pictured are other molds that I made of stones using 10w30 motor oil as a release agent on the original stone (it didn't work) I had to force the original stones out of the papercrete and broke the papercrete mold doing so. It even happened on the first one and I was able to repair that mold with just carpenters glue. I will repair the other two the same way and using your plastic wrap idea they should last a very long time.
Perry! Thanks so much for the plastic wrap idea. I used it inside my
papercrete mold and it worked great. Like I thought it does create
wrinkles and also some little air pockets, but for stones or bricks it
will work great. Saves a lot of time and hassle of drying and removing
the stone from the mold. All I had to do to remove it, was just turn it
over on its back and the plastic wraped stone slipped right out. Now I
can do a assemblyline and really start to turn out stones.
Thanks again
Bob the builder
P.S. I didn't use a plastic bag, I used that stuff you wrap up multiple
boxes on a shipping skid.
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Perry, that is fantastic. What a wonderful undertaking and am very interested in knowing what happens. If there is anything I can do let me know. Ev
Sunny Acres Update Addendum:
Evelyn and fellow lurkers,I just met with Dan DeVaul, owner of DeVaul Ranch and Sunny Acres (I had the spelling wrong earlier) briefly after lunch and gave him the quick 2 minute spiel about papercrete since he pressed me for some kind of details. I have invited him to dinner tomorrow night where we can discuss this Co-op idea I have that will benefit him, the community and future papercrete builders here in San Luis Obispo. I don't know if you knew this already but recently Forbes did one of those ratings for the best place to live in the country and the city of San Luis Obispo came up as the #1 ranking. That blew me away! Little San Luis Obispo, city caught midway between the history and the future. Perhaps this is apropos, a Co-op in San Luis Obispo and we can take a leading role in getting papercrete approved as a building material.I will let y'all know what happens over time, as well as the details to the Co-op idea I have. But for the moment I'm stealing some time from work to write this email so I've got to go.PerryOn Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Perry Way <perryway@gmail.com> wrote:For the lurkers, Sunny Acres is an 80 acre site on the outskirts of San Luis Obispo. It is the remnants of an old old ranch (DuVaul Ranch), the man who owns it is a recovered alcoholic and he runs a non-governmental controlled sort of halfway house for people who needed to get back on track in life. Homeless people, recovering alcoholics, battered women, ex con's etc. His method of working with people was a special method, one filled with love. It was highly successful from the standpoint of helping those who went through his special program. It was always a money pit of some kind, it never turned a profit even though they busied themselves operating a roadside vending stand selling things they grew on the ranch as well as seasonal things like Christmas Trees and Pumpkins. The recovery and assistance program was so successful that the County would sometimes send people to Sunny Acres for improvement when the County facilities weren't able to help them. Some time ago, in more recent times, some developer took hillside property nearby and subdivided and built some expensive homes that overlook Sunny Acres. There is a nasty woman on the City Council who bought one of those homes. She's an import from Los Angeles and brings along with her all her big city methods for shutting down honest people like DuVaul (who owns Sunny Acres) because it was an eyesore to her. She pursued relentlessly for years to get Sunny Acres to raze some old barns they had on the property that were in a state of disrepair. And she was successful at forcing them to take down their roadside vending operation because it was being run from a "non-permitted" chicken coup like structure and operating with a business license. DuVaul had to pay out some outrageous fees for attorneys and permits and whatnot.. and because he was operating his ranch as a full blown charity, he had no money to fight the "evil witch". Not being able to even conduct any sales from their vending structure and having to tear it apart, they lacked funds to continue. From what Evelyn is saying, they finally got to DuVaul and now have broken him to the point that he can't keep Sunny Acres running as a charity halfway house any longer. So sad...
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Sunny Acres Update Addendum:
For the lurkers, Sunny Acres is an 80 acre site on the outskirts of San Luis Obispo. It is the remnants of an old old ranch (DuVaul Ranch), the man who owns it is a recovered alcoholic and he runs a non-governmental controlled sort of halfway house for people who needed to get back on track in life. Homeless people, recovering alcoholics, battered women, ex con's etc. His method of working with people was a special method, one filled with love. It was highly successful from the standpoint of helping those who went through his special program. It was always a money pit of some kind, it never turned a profit even though they busied themselves operating a roadside vending stand selling things they grew on the ranch as well as seasonal things like Christmas Trees and Pumpkins. The recovery and assistance program was so successful that the County would sometimes send people to Sunny Acres for improvement when the County facilities weren't able to help them. Some time ago, in more recent times, some developer took hillside property nearby and subdivided and built some expensive homes that overlook Sunny Acres. There is a nasty woman on the City Council who bought one of those homes. She's an import from Los Angeles and brings along with her all her big city methods for shutting down honest people like DuVaul (who owns Sunny Acres) because it was an eyesore to her. She pursued relentlessly for years to get Sunny Acres to raze some old barns they had on the property that were in a state of disrepair. And she was successful at forcing them to take down their roadside vending operation because it was being run from a "non-permitted" chicken coup like structure and operating with a business license. DuVaul had to pay out some outrageous fees for attorneys and permits and whatnot.. and because he was operating his ranch as a full blown charity, he had no money to fight the "evil witch". Not being able to even conduct any sales from their vending structure and having to tear it apart, they lacked funds to continue. From what Evelyn is saying, they finally got to DuVaul and now have broken him to the point that he can't keep Sunny Acres running as a charity halfway house any longer. So sad...
Tomorrow is the deadline for submitting your entry into the Pail 'O Papercrete competition.
Hurry up and post your entry.
The moderators (nice people that we are) are willing to entertain appeals for a deadline extension if you can post a photo of some partially completed work of you project entry.
So hurry up!!
Get off your Pail and post your entries.
--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, slurryguy@... wrote:
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> Pail 'O Papercrete Competition.
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> Announcing the first ever "Pail 'O Papercrete" Competition.
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> Objective:
> To encourage as many Papercreters members as possible to mix up a small batch of papercrete and make something fun, interesting, educational, silly, useful, beautiful, and/or any combination of those attributes or more as appropriate.
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> Rules:
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> 1. Cost of materials for anyone to duplicate a project must be less than $10. (Not including tools used to construct the project.)
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> 2. Entries must be described in detail by posting about your efforts on Papercreters. Your descriptions should not only show off your efforts, but provide all the information required for someone to duplicate your project in every detail if they so desire. Include a list of materials used, and their cost.
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> 3. Pictures are required. The more pictures the better. Obviously we want to see your final result, but showing step by step what you did and how you did it will be important. Videos are encouraged, but not required. Putting a link or a credit line encouraging video viewers on YouTube or other video hosting services to come join us on Papercreters would be awesome touch, but not required.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/
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> 4. Possible entry types include, but are not limited to the following ideas:
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> Small science experiments exploring what papercrete can do, different recipes, and/or mixing-forming processes.
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> Art projects of all kinds.
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> Useful household objects that take advantage of papercrete.
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> Any papercrete object that generates a good laugh. (Keep it G-rated.)
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> Other
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> 5. Members submitting entries should actively answer any questions and help others understand or duplicate what they have done.
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> 6. Multiple entries are encouraged.
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> 7. Submit your entry to this contest by posting about it on Papercreters. Include "POP Contest Entry _________" in the subject line of your post. Fill in the blank by including whatever name you have given your project.
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> 8. DEADLINE FOR ENTRIES IS JULY 31, 2009.
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> 9. Papercreters Moderators reserve the right to modify these rules as necessary, but it seems very unlikely that will be required. We intend to keep this competition as wide open as possible to encourage creativity. Moderators rulings are final.
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> 10. Members will vote in a poll to determine the winner.
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> 11. The winning project will be displayed as the featured photo on the Papercreters Home Page for a couple of months. Other prizes may be offered as we work it out. Any member or business that would like to donate a prize for the contest, please email slurryguy@... .
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> LET'S GET STARTED!!
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Thank you, Perry!
Evelyn, we all experience what you've related from time to time. No harm, no foul. It's "all good" we are kindred spirit eh? :)
Slurryguy, how did you know that was one of my alltime very favorite movies? I must say that the road to Aspen looks very much like the road to Abiquiu. Can't wait to meet Jim Carey and What's his name.
Sincerely, Judith
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Taking a cue from Spaceman, I also fired up Google earth to see a preview of my thousand mile journey to Abiquiu.
I was surprised to see that Google would actually create a video clip of me driving my vehicle through the route.
Here is a portion of my trip uploaded to YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=yKRtdgQhVbw
Somehow Google knew someone would be carpooling with me. Anybody recognize themselves in the video?
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I'm starting to feel lucky that I live "only" six and a half hours away! This afternoon I used Google Earth to generate driving directions, and then "play" the route as a scenic tour. It was interesting but surely did take a long time. And that's at accelerated speed, it will be a long drive in reality.
Is there now an airport in Santa Fe, or is Albuquerque still the closest one?
Spaceman
I am so thrilled to see you on here. I'm sure there will be no shortage of help for you with your mixer problems.
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There is a small airport in Santa Fe but it is expensive to take the hop from Alb. then you still have to drive an hour to get to Abiquiu. Most people just land in Alb and drive up from there. It's just under 2 hrs.
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When I lived in central Or I used to drive straight west across the state, down through Idaho, Utah, SW CO, the Four Corners area. It was 24 hrs exact. If I got tired I pulled over in Moab to sleep for an hr or 2. Nice ride.
I guess you'll have to decide if you drive or fly. I'm not sure what I'd do but you have dogs to consider etc. I'm really looking forward to meeting you so hope you make it.
I really can't wait to meet everyone.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:51:53 -0700
Subject: [papercreters] Driving to Abiququ for PC meet
wow.. I just ran a mapquest-- for me it will be 1453 miles, and 22+
hours driving, so 3 8 hour days since I can t drive 12 hours a day
anymore-- 8 is my full limit.
makes flying sound good, and def. will find a dog sitter.
we have no real airline service to anywhere here, so will also check
out flying If I must.
the worst part is driving towards Los Angeles, my most unfavorite city.
I MUST focus on the end reward!
I would consider picking up some one on the way!!! ... I can email
the full route to anyone who is South of me and interested to travel
along, and share gas.
we could meet up at some point, and either I come to you, or you meet
me close to the route at a public place where you can park your car
for a week
( I dont really want to drive 100 miles out of the way to pick up
folks if I dont have to.)
so I am tossing that out as an invite. 101 South from Eureka CA
thru SF, Bakersfield, above LA, Flagstaff across the 1-40 thru AZ
to ALbu. to Judiths
am willing to pick up a 3nd or 4th person at short distance too.
email me if interested, and I will send the route I have
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