Re: [papercreters] Re: Domes and spraying papercrete / tilt up construction

Look at Mikey Sklar pc fence sections on his site thats just what my forms look like after I used them for a while same size except his is a pc section of fence an mine is a 2x4/plywood form.

 

Ken

mountainfair <yahooposting@dreamthefuture.org> wrote:

OK, I think I am getting a better idea of this.

So the 2"x4" frame on the "face" - this is a frame that connects the
edges of the two separate 4x8 sheets of plywood? And wire in the
middle of the sheets of plywood keeps them from bowing out in the
middle, while the 2x4 frame holds the edges? I am a bit confused as
to where the 2x4 frame connects to the plywood or how it is positioned.

Any metal/rebar/chicken wire/etc in the middle for reinforcement?

Do you cut channels for utilities later or include them as block outs
in the pour?

What kind of wire do you use? How do you attach it?

Sorry to throw all these questions at you - Im just hungry to learn more.

-Eli



--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, ken bolin
wrote:
>
> I need to get another digi cam, but no not yet I'll get some
pictures going. Some of the walls are at 7ft so far. They are 2 ft
thick just think of a 4ft by 8ft plywood sheet laying on its long
length with a 2x4 frame on it's face and another sheet nailed to the
other side of the 2x4s sort of a sandwich. As for how they lay during
use they lay on the 8ft length with the first pour on the footers.
Then I just move them along the footer about 7ft and start the next
section of wall. As for weight on top as I go up, by that time you
take into account the overlap it's only 42 sq ft of pc being pour
anyway (7ft over. 3ft up from the last pour) so the 2ft base pour
handles it fine. I put 2 2ft x 4ft end forms across the wall on the
footer to get the wall started then use one as I go around and up the
wall. So what you have is the last pour acts as an end form and the
2ft x 4ft end form keeps the pc from pouring out as you move along the
wall.I run wire across the wall to each form
> to hold it to width as I pour pc in it.
>
> Ken
>
> mountainfair wrote:
> Sounds interesting Ken -
>
> Do you have any pictures you can share so I can get a better idea of
> what you are doing? I am not quite clear on how your forms work.
>
> How high have you built wall like this? Are you concerned about the
> wet weight on top of the dry wall as you go up?
>
> How thick are the walls you are slip forming?
>
> Would love to hear more.
>
> -Eli
>
>
>
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, ken bolin
> wrote:
> >
> > Danggggg Clyde a whole week coolnesssss well I have found my love in
> pc. Its slipforming I have sprayed, bricked, hand thrown, and
> bigblocked like Mike in N.M.. But nothing speaks volumes better I
> think then my newest way to sling pc. Two 4x8 sheets of plywood with
> 2x4 braces in the sandwich little wire threading to hold a couple of
> plates to width. Mix and pour mix and pour fill it to the top, let set
> cut the wire move the panel up or over with about 1/2 foot overlap
> from the last pour. My only problem is keeping enough paper on hand.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > clydetcurry wrote:
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> > that is good I guess, however let us not miss the forest for the
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> > it not occur to you that the bricks can be as light as 4 pounds a
> > piece if dry and properly made - I am here to tell tell you that after
> > 7 years playing with papercrete ( I'm building 10,000 square feet ) If
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> > dynamic as you - just thoughts - bricks and mortar - Clyde T. Curry
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