Thursday, September 17, 2015

Re: [papercreters] Re: Where have all the Papercreters gon?



Greetings :)

I am a vegetarian . I try to respect all forms of life. But the only life forms on this planet that can be sustained solely by the sun are plants. I admit I massacre a lot of fruits and vegetables regularly. It is part of what it takes to be alive. 

I am retired from commercial construction. In my time in construction I cut or caused to be cut many, many trees. There was one tree that I was responsible for the destruction of. It was a tremendous White Oak well over 100' tall. The root ball dwarfed the bull dozer that had taken it down. It was a real struggle to get the the tree down. When it fell I got a really sick feeling. That was 50 years ago. It has stayed with me. I have been to the forests of the west coast. I have seen magnificent, Redwood, Western Red Cedar and Douglas Fir. These trees are many hundreds even thousands of years old. It really disturbs me to think of these wonderful ancient life forms being cut down to make 2x4s.

In my work with papercrete I have discovered that today a large portion of paper is already in the recycle stream.  I have not evaluated the merits of recycled paper going into papercrete vs current normal recycle products.

For my current project I am in too deep so  I will continue with papercrete. Moving forward I plan to investigate Styrofoam as a material to replace paper. Currently at least in this area there are no Styrofoam recycle options.


Another material might be wheat straw. I did a sample but but did not chop the straw. My tow mixer did not chop it at all.

My ultimate goal is sustainable living while respecting all  the other life forms I share the planet with.

Best wishes
Murry




From: "Tobias Gogolin usertogo@gmail.com [papercreters]" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Where have all the Papercreters gon?

 
Well written Victor!
For similar reasons have I meanwhile discovered 'Living Tree Architecture' and I imagine building with living trees and cob, and would use papercrete only where it can't be avoided, or it has properties that surpass those of more natural and sustainable alternatives! I am sure papercrete is the least offensive type of concrete but it at the end of its life cycle still constitutes trash and cost a lot of energy to produce!
Just mention that to plant a seed for those that haven't investigated it!

cheers

Tobias


On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 2:36 PM, stoneybog stoneybog@yahoo.com [papercreters] <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hello Murray
I happen to be a tree lover but don't quite understand your perspective on harvesting trees.
1. Trees convert co2 in the air into carbon (wood) as they grow. 
2. When harvested and used to build with, this carbon is locked up in the building just like the paper in papercrete.
3. When you drive your car/truck, you are converting carbon that is locked up in the fuel into among other things co2. 
The carbon in the fuel was locked up and safely stored below the ground. After our vehicles convert it to co2, it needs to be converted back to carbon. Trees do that as long as they are growing. When they die, the carbon in them is again released into the air in the form of co2 by the bacteria and bugs eating them. Burying wood/paper where it doesn't decompose (landfills) is actually a good thing because it keeps the carbon locked up.
So using wood is a good thing. Harvesting mature trees is a good thing as long as we replace every tree cut down with at least 1 new tree. Trees are not the cause of our carbon problem. People using cars are. Trees are a potential cure for the problem.
I hope that is clear. 
Keep locking up the carbon. Keep papercreting.

Victor @ 
The Stoneybog


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From: "Murry Holley murry.holley@yahoo.com [papercreters]"
Date:09-16-2015 8:55 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Where have all the Papercreters gon?

 
Hello Caroline:)

Hope all is going well for you.

We live out of town out 621 toward Staples. We are off Ohfferman Hill road on Foster Lane.

I got a tow mixer from a man in San Angelo. Currently I am building a barn. I am using it as my lab for testing the mixes i will be using on our house. Hope to start house construction in November,

I am using a "Hybrid-adobe mix- Pulped paper, clay which we have an abundance of on this side of the freeway, sand and cement. I have done some test mixes with wood ash and lime in lieu of cement that seem to work well. But with all the other non standard items i have to run down it just not feasible for me to try to collect that much wood ash at this time.

My number 1 goal is to not cut or be responsible for the cutting of trees. So that has been a challenge. I did find a truss manufacturer that will make my trusses out of recycled wood. I am using the hybrid adobe of load bearing exterior walls.

This has been a project a long time in the dream/planning process.

I would be happy to show you everything I am doing. I would love to hear about your experience with papercrete.

You can reach me at 512-557-8344

Best wishes
Murry Holley




From: "Caroline Baker caroline659@yahoo.com [papercreters]" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:48 AM
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Where have all the Papercreters gon?

 
Hey!  I live in Wimberley !  Where in San Marcos is your project and what is it you are doing?  I made a small planter wall with papercrete several years ago.  It held up pretty well for awhile but I never painted it or finished it with anything and now it appears to be wearing away a bit.  I figure when I get the motivation I will just slap another coat over the top of what I have and it should fix it.  Then I'll make it a point to paint it.
Would like to get back into making papercrete but need a project that isn't too hard.  Maybe another planter wall to match the other one.  Anyway, if you are up to sharing your project let me know.  Would love to come see what you've got going.
Caroline Duchscher








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