Saturday, August 30, 2014

Re: Re: [papercreters] Brand new



  I suggest the lady check out the Tiny House info - http://tinyhousetalk.com/
There are lots of good ideas for inexpensive small homes, some of which can be moved to another location if needed.  Papercrete could be used in some of these plans for insulation as spaceman suggests. Depending on availability, she might also consider using a used shipping container as a sturdy component.  They need good insulation in most climates where papercrete panels could also work.  Lots of info on the web (e.g. http://www.tincancabin.com/how-to-build/)
 
 
 
Tom Hay, Ph.D.
A2B Research and Development, LLC
703/672-6033 (internet phone)
tomhay@verizon.net
 
On 08/30/14, spaceman Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net [papercreters]<papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 


On 8/29/2014 10:12 PM, checkyourbrakes2@yahoo.com [papercreters] wrote:
Hi all!  I'm brand new to yahoo groups in general and this page and papercrete in particular.  I've been offered an opportunity to rent on an acre of land.  I'm excited, and want to take the offer, but must come up with a housing plan.  I am a single mom and part time student.  Do you think it's possible to get a tiny house built before mid October? (when it usually starts getting cold here)
Single mom and part time student - sounds like your plate is pretty full. While it is possible to get a tiny house built by mid-October, it won't be dry or ready for sealing. "Possible" with lots of labor. Papercrete is labor intensive. You can prevent some of the physical labor by buying expensive equipment like a real trash rated pump and a good mixer. You need a ready source of paper, lots of it.

If I need something to hold me through the winter.  Would papercreting the inside of a used shed (made of plywood) prevent the off gassing of formaldehyde from the walls? and get us through the winter?  There are plenty of sheds for sale for $250-1000.  What would it cost, approximately, to cover the internal walls with papercrete?  Would it still be safe to use a wood burning stove?
Papercrete is not a vapor barrier and will do nothing to prevent off-gassing by plywood. A used shed should have already lost most of the formaldehyde but you still would want a barrier. If you have access to a tow mixer and plenty of paper it would probably be easier to start from scratch, form some papercrete walls and then put a shed roof on it, covered with papercrete.

How do I find out how people start their walls?
Here's one way - molded panels placed on a frame. For a shed you could mold large thin panels, maybe 4'x4'x4", and screw them to the walls.
http://starship-enterprises.net/Paperdome/

Another way is to make slip forms and mold the walls into place. This gives a tighter seal and turns out to be less work overall.
http://starship-enterprises.net/spraywasher/Index.html


I know this is a lot of questions in one.  Sorry for that.  I'm looking forward to the words of those wiser than myself.  Thank you!
You came to the right place for questions :) Ask all you want. It has been kinda dead around here lately and we can use the stimulation.



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Re: [papercreters] Brand new




On 8/29/2014 10:12 PM, checkyourbrakes2@yahoo.com [papercreters] wrote:
Hi all!  I'm brand new to yahoo groups in general and this page and papercrete in particular.  I've been offered an opportunity to rent on an acre of land.  I'm excited, and want to take the offer, but must come up with a housing plan.  I am a single mom and part time student.  Do you think it's possible to get a tiny house built before mid October? (when it usually starts getting cold here)
Single mom and part time student - sounds like your plate is pretty full. While it is possible to get a tiny house built by mid-October, it won't be dry or ready for sealing. "Possible" with lots of labor. Papercrete is labor intensive. You can prevent some of the physical labor by buying expensive equipment like a real trash rated pump and a good mixer. You need a ready source of paper, lots of it.

If I need something to hold me through the winter.  Would papercreting the inside of a used shed (made of plywood) prevent the off gassing of formaldehyde from the walls? and get us through the winter?  There are plenty of sheds for sale for $250-1000.  What would it cost, approximately, to cover the internal walls with papercrete?  Would it still be safe to use a wood burning stove?
Papercrete is not a vapor barrier and will do nothing to prevent off-gassing by plywood. A used shed should have already lost most of the formaldehyde but you still would want a barrier. If you have access to a tow mixer and plenty of paper it would probably be easier to start from scratch, form some papercrete walls and then put a shed roof on it, covered with papercrete.

How do I find out how people start their walls?
Here's one way - molded panels placed on a frame. For a shed you could mold large thin panels, maybe 4'x4'x4", and screw them to the walls.
http://starship-enterprises.net/Paperdome/

Another way is to make slip forms and mold the walls into place. This gives a tighter seal and turns out to be less work overall.
http://starship-enterprises.net/spraywasher/Index.html


I know this is a lot of questions in one.  Sorry for that.  I'm looking forward to the words of those wiser than myself.  Thank you!
You came to the right place for questions :) Ask all you want. It has been kinda dead around here lately and we can use the stimulation.



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Re: [papercreters] Brand new



I'm pretty useless but the pros who will be along later would be better equipped to provide answers if you disclose your general location. How cold it gets and humidity levels have a huge impact on drying time.
There may also be someone in your area who would let you come around to help/learn.


Good luck.


On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:12 PM, checkyourbrakes2@yahoo.com [papercreters] <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi all!  I'm brand new to yahoo groups in general and this page and papercrete in particular.  I've been offered an opportunity to rent on an acre of land.  I'm excited, and want to take the offer, but must come up with a housing plan.  I am a single mom and part time student.  Do you think it's possible to get a tiny house built before mid October? (when it usually starts getting cold here)

If I need something to hold me through the winter.  Would papercreting the inside of a used shed (made of plywood) prevent the off gassing of formaldehyde from the walls? and get us through the winter?  There are plenty of sheds for sale for $250-1000.  What would it cost, approximately, to cover the internal walls with papercrete?  Would it still be safe to use a wood burning stove?

How do I find out how people start their walls?

I know this is a lot of questions in one.  Sorry for that.  I'm looking forward to the words of those wiser than myself.  Thank you!





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Friday, August 29, 2014

[papercreters] Brand new



Hi all!  I'm brand new to yahoo groups in general and this page and papercrete in particular.  I've been offered an opportunity to rent on an acre of land.  I'm excited, and want to take the offer, but must come up with a housing plan.  I am a single mom and part time student.  Do you think it's possible to get a tiny house built before mid October? (when it usually starts getting cold here)

If I need something to hold me through the winter.  Would papercreting the inside of a used shed (made of plywood) prevent the off gassing of formaldehyde from the walls? and get us through the winter?  There are plenty of sheds for sale for $250-1000.  What would it cost, approximately, to cover the internal walls with papercrete?  Would it still be safe to use a wood burning stove?

How do I find out how people start their walls?

I know this is a lot of questions in one.  Sorry for that.  I'm looking forward to the words of those wiser than myself.  Thank you!




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Thursday, August 28, 2014

Re: [papercreters] Please help me




If you have a good source of paper and cement you can build as large a house as you want. It is best to keep houses small if you can, only large enough to serve their purpose. You could make your blocks trapezoidal for a round wall, like a ger, and use a reciprocal roof or a traditional roof.

spaceman
starship-enterprises.net/Domes/DomeHouse/DomeHouse%20Home.html

On 8/28/2014 5:34 AM, tsogtoo21@yahoo.com [papercreters] wrote:

Hi, I am Erdenetsogt, from Mongolia. I want to start small business to make papercrete blocks. It's really environmentally friendly technology. I need your help that what's best way to start it. Is it possible to build houses or what size of house it can be used to construct? Do you have any business plan or procedures?

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[papercreters] Please help me



Hi, I am Erdenetsogt, from Mongolia. I want to start small business to make papercrete blocks. It's really environmentally friendly technology. I need your help that what's best way to start it. Is it possible to build houses or what size of house it can be used to construct? Do you have any business plan or procedures?



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Wednesday, August 27, 2014

Re: [papercreters] Tow Mixer



Dear Murry,  Thanks for the gift card.  I would probably sell it for 800$ because I can make another one with parts.  There is a lot put into a mixer.  I still dream of making slurry but can get the time right now.   Mike


On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:48 AM, "murry.holley@yahoo.com [papercreters]" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




Greetings:)
Hi this is Murry from San Marcos TX. I am about to start a project that will require about 75 cuyds of Hybrid -Adobe for walls and maybe an additional 40 cuyds of papercrete for the roof.If at all possible I would like to purchase or lease a tow mixer that  is already built in lieu of starting from scratch. 

If anyone can help it is greatly appreciated.

Thanks and best wishes
Murry






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[papercreters] Re: Tow Mixer



Hello,

My name is Phil and I have a tow mixer about 3/4's finished. I live about

60 miles north of Sacramento Ca. 

Anyone in my area interested in finishing it.  My back is gone so I will not

get back to that project again in this life time.  530-846-3847 if interested

in it , give me a call.



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[papercreters] Re: thin panels



Hi Terry,


You're right,my concern is about good insulation papercrete is providing .My first hive is well insulated:I didn't see many bees fanning even for the hottest days,just 3 to 5 of them,sometimes.... and I like papercrete for its good weight/strength ratio at a very low price,not currently so bad...Potos will come ,of course but not very often:I'm living 150 km away from the farm and I am working for the week so I could only work on my projects for the weekends. But it will be done

Claude B.


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[papercreters] Re: thin panels



Hi,

You're right Terry ,the concern of papercrete roof of my first hive,and the "walls" of tje Ktbh,is good insulation and interresting strength/weight :The bees ,in the first hive don't fan or just 3 to 5 of them I saw,sometimes when it was really hot . Photos will come but not very often I am living 150 km away from the farm and I am working in a factory for the week...
regards
Claude B.


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[papercreters] Tow Mixer



Greetings:)

Hi this is Murry from San Marcos TX. I am about to start a project that will require about 75 cuyds of Hybrid -Adobe for walls and maybe an additional 40 cuyds of papercrete for the roof.If at all possible I would like to purchase or lease a tow mixer that  is already built in lieu of starting from scratch. 


If anyone can help it is greatly appreciated.


Thanks and best wishes

Murry



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[papercreters] Re: thin panels



I look forward to this,  Claude.  Upload some photos to the group's photo files?  The extra insulation would help keep them more comfortable through all seasons, right?

TerryW


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Tuesday, August 26, 2014

Re: [papercreters] Re: thin panels



Hi,


 My papercrete hive's roof is 8 months old now and doesn't show any sign of deterioration:I painted it with 3/4 layers of acrylic multipurpose paint.Storms didn't damage it ,(OK it didn't hail too much...) .So next weekend I will do my first experiments for my next KTBH I will follow your advices with the external wood frame  made with L shaped +- 2" x1" wodden sticks with chicken wire nailed on it  .I know that they will  shrink,so I will fill the gaps with ,maybe plaster,,and I'll use some screws to fix papercrete on the wood frame.After that I think I'll lay corrugated polyethylene/polypropylene on the internal sides:It will be easier to cut possible bonding of comb...Anyway I'll take pictures of this , a sort of short tutorial without pretension,except giving papercrete another use..I hope

regards
Claude B. 


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Thursday, August 21, 2014

Re: [papercreters] RESEARCH on Papercrete- from Cardiff UK



done

On 8/21/2014 2:21 PM, Charmaine Taylor charmainertaylor@gmail.com [papercreters] wrote:
This is an email from  Joana, she NEEDS to hear from you active and knowledgeable Papercreters-- ( like Spaceman, Judith Williams and others here!

Please contact her by email if you have something to say, agree to be interviewed.  

The cement industry may actually be a great supporter of 'crete as it shows a "positive' use of cement/concrete material in small amounts .

Her request:

Malato, Joana <jmalato@cardiffmet.ac.uk>
Dear Charmaine,

 

I am undertaking a PhD at Cardiff Metropolitan University in Sustainability Marketing and the cement industry. As you may be aware, there is a huge drive supported by government legislation to reduce the construction industry's carbon emissions and I am particularly looking at the barriers and drivers that influence a more sustainable behaviour in the industry.
 
I came across Papercrete through Brian Murphy from Green Spec, and is a great example of alternative construction materials and methods which ultimately are more sustainable. It is critically important to capture your views on this topic and to understand from your perspective the key drivers and barriers to a more sustainable industry.
 [ this means YOU GUYS..I am retired now- Charmaine]
It would be highly appreciated if we could arrange a short interview at a time and place at your convenience. In advance I deeply appreciate your time and interest.
 
I assure you that all information gathered will be kept entirely confidential and participants' anonymity will be respected at all times with methods advised by the university being strictly adhered to.
 
I also wish to offer to provide you a copy of an executive summary of my thesis when it is completed and defended at Cardiff Metropolitan University.
 
I look forward to hearing from you.
 
Kind Regards

--
Charmaine

Charmaine Taylor/Publishing & Elk River Press
PO Box 375 Cutten CA 95534
www.papercrete.com

Some people forget that their beliefs don't make them a better person. 
*Their behavior does*

"Have courage for the great sorrows of life and patience for the small ones. And when you have laboriously accomplised your daily task, go to sleep in peace. God is awake." 
(Victor Hugo, 1802-1885)
 
 

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[papercreters] RESEARCH on Papercrete- from Cardiff UK



This is an email from  Joana, she NEEDS to hear from you active and knowledgeable Papercreters-- ( like Spaceman, Judith Williams and others here!

Please contact her by email if you have something to say, agree to be interviewed.  

The cement industry may actually be a great supporter of 'crete as it shows a "positive' use of cement/concrete material in small amounts .

Her request:

Malato, Joana <jmalato@cardiffmet.ac.uk>

Dear Charmaine,

 

I am undertaking a PhD at Cardiff Metropolitan University in Sustainability Marketing and the cement industry. As you may be aware, there is a huge drive supported by government legislation to reduce the construction industry's carbon emissions and I am particularly looking at the barriers and drivers that influence a more sustainable behaviour in the industry.
 
I came across Papercrete through Brian Murphy from Green Spec, and is a great example of alternative construction materials and methods which ultimately are more sustainable. It is critically important to capture your views on this topic and to understand from your perspective the key drivers and barriers to a more sustainable industry.
 [ this means YOU GUYS..I am retired now- Charmaine]
It would be highly appreciated if we could arrange a short interview at a time and place at your convenience. In advance I deeply appreciate your time and interest.
 
I assure you that all information gathered will be kept entirely confidential and participants' anonymity will be respected at all times with methods advised by the university being strictly adhered to.
 
I also wish to offer to provide you a copy of an executive summary of my thesis when it is completed and defended at Cardiff Metropolitan University.
 
I look forward to hearing from you.
 
Kind Regards

--
Charmaine

Charmaine Taylor/Publishing & Elk River Press
PO Box 375 Cutten CA 95534
www.papercrete.com

Some people forget that their beliefs don't make them a better person. 
*Their behavior does*

"Have courage for the great sorrows of life and patience for the small ones. And when you have laboriously accomplised your daily task, go to sleep in peace. God is awake." 
(Victor Hugo, 1802-1885)
 
 


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Tuesday, August 19, 2014

Re: [papercreters] Standard of papercrete



There is no standard as far as I know. Just about everybody develops their own formula. I use a varying recipe depending on what the pc is for. You'll see anywhere from 10% cement to paper (by weight) on up to 200% cement to paper, with various adjuncts like perlite, mica, fly ash, clay, sand, etc.

Not much testing has been done other than seat-of-the-pants tests on various projects. The University of New Mexico did some compression tests on bricks a couple of decades ago. You'll find a link in the files of the group. Several years ago there was a group organized to do all the formalities to get pc into the standard building codes but the group fell apart because of personality conflicts and the project died on the vine.

If you do testing or run across any documentation, please share with the group!

spaceman

On 8/17/2014 7:03 PM, Achmad Basuki achmadbasuki@yahoo.com [papercreters] wrote:

Dear all,
I am intetested to papercrete matetial. Can everyone give me standard of papercrete mix design and standard test of papercrete based panel or structure?
Thankyou very much.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

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