Wednesday, August 1, 2007

[papercreters] Re: Regarding Forums and Papercrete Building Code

Hear, hear!  I'm also a fan of the forum option, mainly because discussions can be delegated into separate topics.  "Recipes" would be something I could use right now. 
 
The database listed in our files for recipes --
 
 
-- doesn't have the recipe I need for mixing up a 5-gallon batch for wall blocks for my climate.  Should I add sand?  Lime?
 
Y'all say to experiment, and I will, but honestly, I don't know what I'm looking for.  I don't even know what I'm doing.  This is all new to me.  I don't need it to be strong, necessarily, just reliable/durable enough to build an outside decorative nonload-bearing wall.
 
With a forum, I could go to the "Experiments" section and find somebody somewhere who has built blocks for an outside wall, including what worked and what didn't.  I could also add my experience to the forum someday.
 
Just my $.02.
 
Melody in TX
 
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[papercreters] Code Proposal Expert?

I've been digging around trying to find a person with experience
submitting changes to the ICC. I haven't had much success. It would
be great to find someone that has been through the process before with
any product, papercrete related or not.

I'm sure we'd love to pick their brain. Anyone have grand ideas to
find such a person. I'm running out of ideas.

Sincerely,

Neural Cannibal


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[papercreters] Re: Papercrete 101

What are you hoping to do with the papercrete? Different mixes
produce different results. You'll find plenty of help with the math
once we know what mix recipe to calculate.

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Melody" <Melody@...> wrote:
>
> As of yesterday, I've amassed each of the elements I need to make
my first experimental batch of papercrete:
>
> - Hilti SR 16 cool-as-sh*t heavy-duty drill
> - 24" Quick Mud Mixer
> - Several 5-gallon buckets
> - Paper shredder
> - Newspaper
> - Portland cement
> - 4 8' cedar 2x6s to make the form
> - Cedar screws & metal corner pieces
> - 2 pallets for the blocks to drain on
>
> I've found recipes for 200-gallon tow mixers, but extrapolating
that recipe down to a 5-gallon bucket is beyond my mathematical
skills. I seem to recall someone posting here in the last month or
so about his/her recipe for 5-gallon buckets. I'll do a search, but
if you know what I'm talking about, if you could point me to that
discussion, I'd be ever so grateful.
>
> OH -- and thanks to those of you who were so nice and responded to
my premature question about wall building. I've decided to make some
blocks first, then worry about wall footings.
>
> To my neighbor in St. Hedwig -- I'm north of Dripping Springs, out
by Hamilton Pool -- caliche country.
>
> Melody in TX
>



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[papercreters] Re: New here.. Introduction

Welcome Jason.

We have an interesting mix of people here. If you work at it, you
might become crazy enough to fit in. Uhhh wait a sec, maybe I'm the
only one that's nuts? Oh well. Enjoy the group anyway.

A small structure that you describe is a great way to get started.
Take lots of pictures, maybe a video or two, and keep us posted on your
progress.


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[papercreters] Leaky Roof -was- Re: Regarding Forums and Papercrete Building Code

No fair. I cry foul!

You can't just up and tell us your roof leaks and drop it. More info
please. Do you know where it is leaking from? What style of roof?
How old are the shingles (or other roofing surface)? How bad is the
leak? More info please.

Do you need help to figure out the situation and decide what to do
about it.

Water destroys structures. If the roof leaks, the water will cause
more problems and more failures soon after. At least get it
temporarily patched quickly.

If you weren't so mys.terious maybe we could help?

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Dusty <mys.terious@...> wrote:
>
> Hey, gang,
>
> I've been lurking, too, for a long time. (Thanks, Slurryguy, for
> inviting me!) Finally I have something to say.
>
> <snip>
>
> Now, on the subject of building codes, I have a question. Pardon my
> ignorance if the answer is common knowledge - I live a semi-sheltered
> life (the roof leaks). <groan>
>
> <snip>


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[papercreters] Re: Regarding Forums and Papercrete Building Code

Welcome back out into the light, Dusty, don't forget your
sunglasses, 8)

I can't find much to dispute in your well written post.

You're welcome for the invitation.

You yourself are an interesting catch 22.

I was only able to send that invitation through the Yahoo system.
Without that you wouldn't be here to point out Yahoo's limitations.
Irony can be so much fun!

Yogi Berra described it far better than I ever could, "If the world
were perfect, it wouldn't be."

I'm not familiar with the system used on your linux forum. It
certainly sounds interesting. I will make it a point to look at it.

Another great point. We all could do a better job of trimming off
old posts at the end of our replies. Keeping the one you're replying
to makes sense, but rarely is more than that helpful.

It wasn't so bad out in the sunlight was it? C'mon. Get a tan with
the rest of us.


--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Dusty <mys.terious@...> wrote:
>
> Hey, gang,
>
> I've been lurking, too, for a long time. (Thanks, Slurryguy, for
> inviting me!) Finally I have something to say.
>
> First, on the debate of forum vs. yahoo.group; I wasn't going to
open
> this can of worms, but since someone did it for me, I'll grab my
spoon
> and start dishing it out. <mischievous grin>
>
> I belong to the Linux Newbies forum,

http://www.newbieslinux.com/forum/

> , and it works quite well. You can subscribe to any topics you
like, and
> choose to accept email notifications of any new posts in those
topics,
> or any new posts to you in any topic/thread. You can subscribe to
as
> many topics as you like. It has a complete index, making it
relatively
> easy to find either an answer or the appropriate place to ask a
question.
>
> This yahoo.group thing drives me crazy! I don't want individual
emails
> coming in all day, so
> I find myself going days without looking at a new daily digest
because I
> dread the endless scrolling through endless repetitions of
seemingly
> endless threads. I miss half of what's being said because I get
burned
> out before I get to the end of the digest. I have tons (megabytes)
of
> papercrete posts in my email because I don't know which ones to
delete,
> and which ones might have something worth saving. Even if I mark
them
> "important reference" or "general reference", or whatever, it takes
> forever to scroll through to find the one tidbit of information I
saved
> it for - and there is no way to tell which email it might be in. I
> almost never go to the group site.
>
> On the other hand, in the Newbies Linux forum, I only get an email
if
> it's on a topic I'm interested in or an announcement to all
members, and
> all I have to do is click on the email link and Firefox takes me
right
> there. If I need to scroll back to see what else has been said, I
only
> have to look at a post once, except when someone quotes someone
else
> (usually briefly) to make it clear what they're replying to. You
can
> also search for all posts by a certain person, or all posts on a
topic,
> or posts you haven't read yet, or a variety of other options. Each
post
> has a number and the number of the post it is in response to, so
you
> can click that number to quickly get to the originating post.
>
> As for speed, if the HTML code is written properly, the forum is
fast to
> load and to navigate, and is accessible to visually impaired
people.
> John C. Fish (ProfFish in the forum) is the author/moderator of
this
> forum, and can be easily contacted there. He is currently teaching
> accessible web design at a college in New Mexico.
>
> With a forum, you could have a topic just for the building code
project,
> and anyone interested could either subscribe to it or just drop in
> occasionally to see what's going on. There could be topics for
regional
> specific data, recipes, equipment, etc. - even a chat room/coffee
> house/dogpen or whatever you want to call it for general chatting
and
> bantering. It beats the hell out of an email box overflowing with
the
> same messages quoted over and over and over and over and over and
> o..............
>
> Now, on the subject of building codes, I have a question. Pardon my
> ignorance if the answer is common knowledge - I live a semi-
sheltered
> life (the roof leaks). <groan>
>
> Is there a written-in-stone all climates, all structures, all
purposes
> recipe for cinder blocks, stucco, bricks and especially stone? How
about
> the type and dimensions of wood used? I have always thought the
> particular "recipe" depended on where the items were produced and
what
> was available nearby. It seems like a better standard code would be
one
> based on a structural integrity test, in which a sample of the
building
> material is tested for strength, water resistance, etc., not on the
> particular paper (or whatever) it's made of. Knowing the structural
> properties of a material should be sufficient to enable an expert
to
> examine the blueprints for design flaws, shouldn't it?
>
> Thanks for 'listening'.
>
> Dusty
>
> P.S.: Wait until you have to scroll through THIS message a hundred
> times! Personally, I think I'll auto-delete every message that
comes in
> for the next week, just in case. <grin>
>
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[papercreters] Regarding Forums and Papercrete Building Code

Hey, gang,

I've been lurking, too, for a long time. (Thanks, Slurryguy, for inviting me!) Finally I have something to say.

First, on the debate of forum vs. yahoo.group; I wasn't going to open this can of worms, but since someone did it for me, I'll grab my spoon and start dishing it out. <mischievous grin> 

I belong to the Linux Newbies forum, http://www.newbieslinux.com/forum/ , and it works quite well. You can subscribe to any topics you like, and choose to accept email notifications of any new posts in those topics, or any new posts to you in any topic/thread. You can subscribe to as many topics as you like. It has a complete index, making it relatively easy to find either an answer or the appropriate place to ask a question.

This yahoo.group thing drives me crazy! I don't want individual emails coming in all day, so
I find myself going days without looking at a new daily digest because I dread the endless scrolling through endless repetitions of seemingly endless threads. I miss half of what's being said because I get burned out before I get to the end of the digest. I have tons (megabytes) of papercrete posts in my email because I don't know which ones to delete, and which ones might have something worth saving. Even if I mark them "important reference" or "general reference", or whatever, it takes forever to scroll through to find the one tidbit of information I saved it for - and there is no way to tell which email it might be in. I almost never go to the group site.

On the other hand, in the Newbies Linux forum, I only get an email if it's on a topic I'm interested in or an announcement to all members, and all I have to do is click on the email link and Firefox takes me right there. If I need to scroll back to see what else has been said, I only have to look at a post once, except when someone quotes someone else (usually briefly) to make it clear what they're replying to. You can also search for all posts by a certain person, or all posts on a topic, or posts you haven't read yet, or a variety of other options. Each post has a number and  the number of the post it is in response to, so you can click that number to quickly get to the originating post.

As for speed, if the HTML code is written properly, the forum is fast to load and to navigate, and is accessible to visually impaired people. John C. Fish (ProfFish in the forum) is the author/moderator of this forum, and can be easily contacted there. He is currently teaching accessible web design at a college in New Mexico.

With a forum, you could have a topic just for the building code project, and anyone interested could either subscribe to it or just drop in occasionally to see what's going on. There could be topics for regional specific data, recipes, equipment, etc. - even a chat room/coffee house/dogpen or whatever you want to call it for general chatting and bantering. It beats the hell out of an email box overflowing with the same messages quoted over and over and over and over and over and o..............

Now, on the subject of building codes, I have a question. Pardon my ignorance if the answer is common knowledge - I live a semi-sheltered life (the roof leaks). <groan>

Is there a written-in-stone all climates, all structures, all purposes recipe for cinder blocks, stucco, bricks and especially stone? How about the type and dimensions of wood used? I have always thought the particular "recipe" depended on where the items were produced and what was available nearby. It seems like a better standard code would be one based on a structural integrity test, in which a sample of the building material is tested for strength, water resistance, etc., not on the particular paper (or whatever) it's made of. Knowing the structural properties of a material should be sufficient to enable an expert to examine the blueprints for design flaws, shouldn't it?

Thanks for 'listening'.

Dusty

P.S.: Wait until you have to scroll through THIS message a hundred times! Personally, I think I'll auto-delete every message that comes in for the next week, just in case. <grin>

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