Papercreters: Re: [papercreters] Re: What is it that shrinks in papercrete?

the attraction of using magnesium concrete in place of portland for me
is: a)lower energy footprint in manufacture and in curing absorbs CO2
from the atmosphere, b.)possibility of greater water and fireproof
papercrete (my land in NE Tasmania is in bushfire and high rainfall
zone) The papercrete i have made seems good so far but the water does
seem to come through in places-i havent determined yet if this is
related to the shape of the structure? i can't understand why, if
portland repels fibre, it works in papercrete? i have done
experimental stuff with sawdust/clay/portland and so far it is also
good tho i wonder if it may fail after a few years?

On 3/1/11, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Off topic perhaps but I have also live in a male centric culture (northern
> NM macho-Hispanic). I'm not complaining. I do find though that if I go to
> pick up materials or inquire about a product or material that I get
> excellent attention. They seem to think it's amusing to have an over the
> hill woman wanting to know the properties of perlite and such things. In
> fact I quite often go alone even when I have a male volunteer (unless I
> have something really heavy or awkward to load). I find people in general
> and men especially happy to help.
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> I have not really followed your discussion here and am wondering what your
> motivation is in looking for more things to put in papercrete. Are you
> trying to stretch the cement or make a better product? I tried a few mix
> formulas before I settled on one using things that are cheap, free, and/or
> readily available. Keep up the good work. Everyone has different
> circumstances and anything you find that improves things will help all in
> your area.
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> They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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> ~ in Memoirs of the Life and Writings of Benjamin Franklin
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> Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercretebyjudith.com/blog
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> More papercrete info at http://squidoo.com/papercretebyjudith
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> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> From: eogreensticks@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:43:27 +1100
> Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: What is it that shrinks in papercrete?
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>> Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: What is it that shrinks in papercrete?
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