Monday, February 28, 2011

RE: [papercreters] Re: What is it that shrinks in papercrete?



Off topic perhaps but I have also live in a male centric culture (northern NM macho-Hispanic). I'm not complaining. I do find though that if I go to pick up materials or inquire about a product or material that I get excellent attention. They seem to think it's amusing to have an over the hill woman wanting to know the properties of perlite and such things. In fact I quite often go alone even when I have a  male volunteer (unless I have something really heavy or awkward to load). I find people in general and men especially happy to help.

I have not really followed your discussion here and am wondering what your motivation is in looking for more things to put in papercrete. Are you trying to stretch the cement or make a better product? I tried a few mix formulas before I settled on one using things that are cheap, free, and/or readily available. Keep up the good work. Everyone has different circumstances and anything you find that improves things will help all in your area.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
~ in Memoirs of the Life and Writings of Benjamin Franklin

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To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
From: eogreensticks@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:43:27 +1100
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: What is it that shrinks in papercrete?

 
what does CSA stand for? chemical formula?i wonder if sugar would work
as th retarder, as i understand it will for portland and mag cements?
there is a magnesium cement marketed in th US as Grancrete-here in
Tasmania we dont always get the same products as other places-the
Concrete suppliers are a very male- centric mob,I'm not sure they
quite know what to make of a female inquiring about esoteric concrete
suppllies-it would be good to know what the specific chemical formula
is for CSA if possible?

On 2/28/11, shahoma prasad <prahoma@yahoo.com> wrote:
> CSA cements are low shrinkage compared to portland and have a lower carbon
> footprint. Another plus is CSA cements bond really well to organic fibers.
> They are also shipped around more than mag phos cements. You can even find
> CSA cements at HD, bagged under the rapid set brand. Youve got to get the
> purple rapid set bags to be getting CSA's.
> Make sure you pick up some retarder while your there, it can go off quick
> without it. A lot of hardy board products are cellulose and CSA blends.
> Another brand is Ultimax Cements out of California.
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> From: eo greensticks <eogreensticks@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: What is it that shrinks in papercrete?
> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 10:12 PM
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