Friday, January 25, 2008

[papercreters] Re: Insulation Value

Hey There........... this thread is making me dizzy!! Have not traveled
to so many Continents in 15 minutes before!

Joanash........... was wondering what sort of a mixer you intend to use
to produce this sort of volume?? Just as a matter of 2cents worth of
input...... I do not build anything in climates as yours under R-50. Two
feet of F/C will surpass this and then some. With the additional
trouble/ expense related to Berming.......... why do you see it as
needed? Have you built Earth Sheltered or Bermed before??

Bob M.

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "ElfNori" <elf@...> wrote:
>
> <shakes head at you> I'll pass thanks. My husband likes that kind of
humor. I never have.
>
> I try to learn something from everyone. Sometimes it's what not to do,
but it's still knowledge. For those of us interested in alternative
building materials, an open mind is very important. Not having an open
mind and being willing to learn is the root of . . . well, you get my
point.
>
> Every technology has it pluses and its advocates. I am not advocating
the use of urethane foam. That wasn't the reason I provided the link.
I've been to MD, I've seen urethane foam insulation applied, I've been
in homes that have it and I can absolutely see Dave's point regarding
its benefits. Spray on foam provides an airtight insulating envelope.
That's part of what makes it so effective. More importantly, I agree
with his assertion there are inadequacies in r-value testing and valid
arguments against using r-value as the benchmark for comparing
insulating technologies. I'm struggling to understand why anyone would
deny those assertions.
>
> There are those in life who can make leaps of logic. I've run into a
handful of them in my life. Dave is one such person. He's a pretty
intelligent guy. There's much to admire about his brain and how it
works. I may never be a monolithic dome fan . . . but that doesn't mean
I can't listen and add to my store of knowledge.
>
> ElfN
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: sire@...
> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
>
> Naturally air infiltration is important, as are half a dozen other
things not mentioned. The whole point of the article is that the R-value
is meaningless, and that's why it is so ridiculous.
>
> I'd love to do a parody of the article if anyone is interested.
>
> Neal
>


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