Friday, January 25, 2008

RE: [papercreters] Re: Insulation Value

Hi Bob,

There are several Reasons for berming and no I haven’t done it before, but have been involved and looking at it for years.

I live on the edge, in more ways than one, I live in an area with literally thousands of volcanoes, most inactive.  We have earthquakes also.

Berming and growing natural cover is helpful environmentally and aesthetically.

Scientists claim we are entering a time of increased earthquake activity, and global political tension, that can cause flying debris from weather, wars, and volcanic eruption.  A double thin shell FC egg is approximately 40+ times stronger than rectilinear conventional construction and is therefore much more disaster resistant..  Bury the egg and it protects the shell even more as well as moderating temperature extremes.

Drainage is key as well.  The dryer the earth is the less heat conducted.

I presently have an 8HP Honda driven Goldblat mortar mixer, but have a 500 gallon Tank that I’m planning to convert to a papercrete mixer. 

It is quite possible that climatic conditions will become much more severe as the planet adapts to deforestation, overpopulation and natural long term cycles.

 

 

 


From: papercreters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:papercreters@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Merrill
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 12:25 PM
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Insulation Value

 


Hey There........... this thread is making me dizzy!! Have not traveled
to so many Continents in 15 minutes before!

Joanash........... was wondering what sort of a mixer you intend to use
to produce this sort of volume?? Just as a matter of 2cents worth of
input...... I do not build anything in climates as yours under R-50. Two
feet of F/C will surpass this and then some. With the additional
trouble/ expense related to Berming.......... why do you see it as
needed? Have you built Earth Sheltered or Bermed before??

Bob M.

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "ElfNori" <elf@...> wrote:
>
> <shakes head at you> I'll pass thanks. My husband likes that kind of
humor. I never have.
>
> I try to learn something from everyone. Sometimes it's what not to do,
but it's still knowledge. For those of us interested in alternative
building materials, an open mind is very important. Not having an open
mind and being willing to learn is the root of . . . well, you get my
point.
>
> Every technology has it pluses and its advocates. I am not advocating
the use of urethane foam. That wasn't the reason I provided the link.
I've been to MD, I've seen urethane foam insulation applied, I've been
in homes that have it and I can absolutely see Dave's point regarding
its benefits. Spray on foam provides an airtight insulating envelope.
That's part of what makes it so effective. More importantly, I agree
with his assertion there are inadequacies in r-value testing and valid
arguments against using r-value as the benchmark for comparing
insulating technologies. I'm struggling to understand why anyone would
deny those assertions.
>
> There are those in life who can make leaps of logic. I've run into a
handful of them in my life. Dave is one such person. He's a pretty
intelligent guy. There's much to admire about his brain and how it
works. I may never be a monolithic dome fan . . . but that doesn't mean
I can't listen and add to my store of knowledge.
>
> ElfN
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: sire@...
> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
>
> Naturally air infiltration is important, as are half a dozen other
things not mentioned. The whole point of the article is that the R-value
is meaningless, and that's why it is so ridiculous.
>
> I'd love to do a parody of the article if anyone is interested.
>
> Neal
>

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