Papercreters: March 2012

Saturday, March 31, 2012

[papercreters] Re: Paper (crete-less) Weed Mat

Thank you to all who replied. I'll continue my research.

Speaking of leeching BPA, the EPA just declined a petition to prohibit its use in beverage and food containers.

See: http://www.newsmax.com/US/bpa-cancer-ban-packaging/2012/03/30/id/434398

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "trendawareness" <trendlinesystems@...> wrote:
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> My very first papercrete project sort of snuck up on me.
>
> I was pulling weeds in my yard, looked at a barrel of paper slurry that had been sitting out all winter, and thought hum...
>
> Why buy weed mat when I've been stockpiling used paper?
>
> So as a test, I cleared the weeds around a bush and poured a 2" layer of paper slurry (without cement or aggregates) in a 2 foot ring around a bush, leaving about an inch around the stalk clear.
>
> I then "painted" the surface using a clump of grass with a clay root ball as a 'brush". Later, I found mixing the clay into the slurry before pouring probably works better.
>
> Four days, and no rain, later, the paper mat is fully intact and still wet to the touch. Too soon to say for sure, but no weeds so far.
>
> Hopefully it will work as a weed mat and help hold in the moisture during the dry summer months. I may try adding some fertilizer to the slurry and see if I can use the mat as a slow-release applicator.
>
> Based on some paper forms that I poured years ago, the mat should last at least 2 years.
>
> I did have a question however. Is anyone aware of any toxins in typical paper waste that could leach into the soil? My understanding is that non-toxic inks have been the norm for a while now.
>
> I ask because if this test works I'd like to pour larger mats around my vegetables.
>
> Photos of my first test are in the library. I'll update the album in a couple of weeks.
>
> Thanks!
>

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[papercreters] Re: Paper (crete-less) Weed Mat

i'm inclined to agree with ken. did a little googling on "toxins in paper" and got a slew of results, some of them are alarmist exaggerations, but there is some serious concerns also. how and what would leech into the soil would be difficult to tell, but it doesn't appear at all safe. start with wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_pollution

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, ken bolin <bornofthehorses@...> wrote:
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> Do not use it around anything you would eat from to be on the safe side there are tons of chemicals harmful to man used in making paper and I know of no way to know what is in the paper used.
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> Ken
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Friday, March 30, 2012

Re: [papercreters] Re: looking for small batch recipe help

Ron- Thank you very much. That is what I needed. A good place to start so I could work the percentages from there.

Vickey in Alaska

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Ron Richter <ronerichter@yahoo.com> wrote:

Vickey,
Our science class just got done making a model of a house to test for efficiency for a science fair. We used a 5 gal bucket to mix our batches. If your final PC mix is going outside I would suggest sticking with a pound of paper and then adjust your other ingredients as percents. For example for outside I would not go below 2:1 ratio of paper to cement. Make it higher if what you are making needs more strength than insulative qualities like 1.7 to 1. We mixed these batches in the classroom with little mess so it is not huge but you could even do a 2 pounds of paper batch. Keep the ratio simple by using 1 pound of paper then just like a cookie recipe if you double it (the paper) all the other ingredients will double as well.

Since we were making a model we used a ratio of 3:1 because it will never have to withstand outside issues. So in our instance 3:1 was 1 pound of paper to 1/3 pound of cement or 5.3 ounces. Experiment and see what happens. Of course you may include sand and or ???

Ron

From: kjtbeskimo <vickeym@gmail.com>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 2:15 AM
Subject: [papercreters] Re: looking for small batch recipe help

Let's try this again in english.....since it appears I did not make it clear what I was asking for help with.

What I am looking for is approximate quantities to fit in the 5 gallon bucket. I intend to do some experiments but was hoping someone had some basic ideas of what quantities I needed to make just a five gallon bucket of mix not a 200 gallon tow behind mixer.

I know all about hypertufa, using peat moss. Not what I am trying to do here. I want to experiment with papercrete. I know people are using it for sculptures and such. This should not be so hard to figure out, but since I have never done any papercrete I thought maybe someone could give me the basics for a five gallon bucket so I don't end up with way more or less than I will need to make the test batches with.

Thanks again for any help.
Vickey in Alaska

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "prrr.t21@..." <prrr@...> wrote:
>
> Sounds like another case of how long is the string. I don't know what final specs you need. If you make a batch of paper pulp, you can dvide it up and add varying amounts of cement, sand, and whatever else you have lying about you need to dispose of. Mould one item from each subbatch and see what ends up satisfactory to you.
>
> I found that whether you compress the material in the mould makes a big difference. Compressing enables immediate demoulding, eliminates shrinkage, greatly speeds up drying and makes a considerably stronger result. But it does require more equipment to do, and reduces final volume.
>
>
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "kjtbeskimo" <vickeym@> wrote:
> >
> > Have been searching messages and every search term I can think of but have not found anything specific. We are newbies getting ready for our first attempt.
> >
> > Our paper is all shredded to little bits using a cross cut paper shredder. We have our drill and mixer blade, a bag of sand and will be getting portland cement soon. (had to buy sand as ours is still buried under snow.
> >
> > We want to make stepping stones and wall plaques for our store. Looking for as lightweight as possible that will still be durable enough for the intended use. (Need lightweight for shipping, we deal mostly with tourists.) But we are trying to find a recipe suitable for this and small enough to mix in a 5 gallon bucket for now.
> >
> > We still have 4 or 5 feet of heavily compressed snow on the ground here, and too cold still to do much outside. Days are finally getting around 30 degrees but nights are around 0 and even below 0 some nights. So larger projects and building our tow behind will not be happening for awhile yet.
> >
> > Does anyone have a suggestion for a recipe for stepping stones and or wall plaques they can recommend. Have found several recipes in the messages I have searched, but not sure which is suitable for which purposes. I know the stepping stones need to be stronger than the wall plaques but would appreciate any suggestions from those who have actually made papercrete.
> >
> > Vickey in Alaska
> >
>

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Re: [papercreters] Re: looking for small batch recipe help

Vickey,

Our science class just got done making a model of a house to test for efficiency for a science fair. We used a 5 gal bucket to mix our batches. If your final PC mix is going outside I would suggest sticking with a pound of paper and then adjust your other ingredients as percents. For example for outside I would not go below 2:1 ratio of paper to cement. Make it higher if what you are making needs more strength than insulative qualities like 1.7 to 1. We mixed these batches in the classroom with little mess so it is not huge but you could even do a 2 pounds of paper batch. Keep the ratio simple by using 1 pound of paper then just like a cookie recipe if you double it (the paper) all the other ingredients will double as well.

Since we were making a model we used a ratio of 3:1 because it will never have to withstand outside issues. So in our instance 3:1 was 1 pound of paper to 1/3 pound of cement or 5.3 ounces. Experiment and see what happens. Of course you may include sand and or ???

Ron

From: kjtbeskimo <vickeym@gmail.com>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 2:15 AM
Subject: [papercreters] Re: looking for small batch recipe help

Let's try this again in english.....since it appears I did not make it clear what I was asking for help with.

What I am looking for is approximate quantities to fit in the 5 gallon bucket. I intend to do some experiments but was hoping someone had some basic ideas of what quantities I needed to make just a five gallon bucket of mix not a 200 gallon tow behind mixer.

I know all about hypertufa, using peat moss. Not what I am trying to do here. I want to experiment with papercrete. I know people are using it for sculptures and such. This should not be so hard to figure out, but since I have never done any papercrete I thought maybe someone could give me the basics for a five gallon bucket so I don't end up with way more or less than I will need to make the test batches with.

Thanks again for any help.
Vickey in Alaska

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "prrr.t21@..." <prrr@...> wrote:
>
> Sounds like another case of how long is the string. I don't know what final specs you need. If you make a batch of paper pulp, you can dvide it up and add varying amounts of cement, sand, and whatever else you have lying about you need to dispose of. Mould one item from each subbatch and see what ends up satisfactory to you.
>
> I found that whether you compress the material in the mould makes a big difference. Compressing enables immediate demoulding, eliminates shrinkage, greatly speeds up drying and makes a considerably stronger result. But it does require more equipment to do, and reduces final volume.
>
>
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "kjtbeskimo" <vickeym@> wrote:
> >
> > Have been searching messages and every search term I can think of but have not found anything specific. We are newbies getting ready for our first attempt.
> >
> > Our paper is all shredded to little bits using a cross cut paper shredder. We have our drill and mixer blade, a bag of sand and will be getting portland cement soon. (had to buy sand as ours is still buried under snow.
> >
> > We want to make stepping stones and wall plaques for our store. Looking for as lightweight as possible that will still be durable enough for the intended use. (Need lightweight for shipping, we deal mostly with tourists.) But we are trying to find a recipe suitable for this and small enough to mix in a 5 gallon bucket for now.
> >
> > We still have 4 or 5 feet of heavily compressed snow on the ground here, and too cold still to do much outside. Days are finally getting around 30 degrees but nights are around 0 and even below 0 some nights. So larger projects and building our tow behind will not be happening for awhile yet.
> >
> > Does anyone have a suggestion for a recipe for stepping stones and or wall plaques they can recommend. Have found several recipes in the messages I have searched, but not sure which is suitable for which purposes. I know the stepping stones need to be stronger than the wall plaques but would appreciate any suggestions from those who have actually made papercrete.
> >
> > Vickey in Alaska
> >
>

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Re: [papercreters] Re: Top bar honeybee hive made of papercrete

I don't understand your question. Oh...wait...I get it. You're being a SMART ASS. Well thanks for all your help. Or should I say, lack thereof. OK. Let me put this out there. I'm new to the papercrete world, and have been doing some research on the subject, lots of reading, but no hands-on experience. I'm putting together the needed materials for my first papercrete project - the papercrete top bar beehive because I read that large flower pots can be made by papercreting so why not a top bar beehive? My mixing vessel will be a 15 gallon HDPE tank and will probably be using a stationary electric drill as my mixing motor (yes, I know, probably underpowered, but I 've got to try somewhere before my inventive mind goes elsewhere). I'm looking at the possibility of getting some pumice to lighten the end product, but evidently there's none of it to be had in the East Coast (I'm in Maryland), though US Pumice in the West Coast is sending me a sample. If anyone knows of a reliable source of pumice, preferably pumice sand, or pea-size aggregate (1/4"), in the Maryland area, please let me know. Thanks to all of you in advance. Well, all of you except the above-mentioned smart ass.

Raf

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Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:56 AM
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Top bar honeybee hive made of papercrete

How long's a piece of string?

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Flea" <fleaflier@...> wrote:
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> Hi Y'all:
>
> I'm a top bar bee keeper and I've been thinking of molding a beehive out of papercrete. Thinking of placing chicken wire inside the walls for tewnsile strength, but would like to go as light as possible, while keeping the elements out. Any recipe ideas to suggest?
>
> Raf
>

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[papercreters] Re: looking for small batch recipe help

Let's try this again in english.....since it appears I did not make it clear what I was asking for help with.

What I am looking for is approximate quantities to fit in the 5 gallon bucket. I intend to do some experiments but was hoping someone had some basic ideas of what quantities I needed to make just a five gallon bucket of mix not a 200 gallon tow behind mixer.

I know all about hypertufa, using peat moss. Not what I am trying to do here. I want to experiment with papercrete. I know people are using it for sculptures and such. This should not be so hard to figure out, but since I have never done any papercrete I thought maybe someone could give me the basics for a five gallon bucket so I don't end up with way more or less than I will need to make the test batches with.

Thanks again for any help.
Vickey in Alaska

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "prrr.t21@..." <prrr@...> wrote:
>
> Sounds like another case of how long is the string. I don't know what final specs you need. If you make a batch of paper pulp, you can dvide it up and add varying amounts of cement, sand, and whatever else you have lying about you need to dispose of. Mould one item from each subbatch and see what ends up satisfactory to you.
>
> I found that whether you compress the material in the mould makes a big difference. Compressing enables immediate demoulding, eliminates shrinkage, greatly speeds up drying and makes a considerably stronger result. But it does require more equipment to do, and reduces final volume.
>
>
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "kjtbeskimo" <vickeym@> wrote:
> >
> > Have been searching messages and every search term I can think of but have not found anything specific. We are newbies getting ready for our first attempt.
> >
> > Our paper is all shredded to little bits using a cross cut paper shredder. We have our drill and mixer blade, a bag of sand and will be getting portland cement soon. (had to buy sand as ours is still buried under snow.
> >
> > We want to make stepping stones and wall plaques for our store. Looking for as lightweight as possible that will still be durable enough for the intended use. (Need lightweight for shipping, we deal mostly with tourists.) But we are trying to find a recipe suitable for this and small enough to mix in a 5 gallon bucket for now.
> >
> > We still have 4 or 5 feet of heavily compressed snow on the ground here, and too cold still to do much outside. Days are finally getting around 30 degrees but nights are around 0 and even below 0 some nights. So larger projects and building our tow behind will not be happening for awhile yet.
> >
> > Does anyone have a suggestion for a recipe for stepping stones and or wall plaques they can recommend. Have found several recipes in the messages I have searched, but not sure which is suitable for which purposes. I know the stepping stones need to be stronger than the wall plaques but would appreciate any suggestions from those who have actually made papercrete.
> >
> > Vickey in Alaska
> >
>

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[papercreters] Re: looking for small batch recipe help

Sounds like another case of how long is the string. I don't know what final specs you need. If you make a batch of paper pulp, you can dvide it up and add varying amounts of cement, sand, and whatever else you have lying about you need to dispose of. Mould one item from each subbatch and see what ends up satisfactory to you.

I found that whether you compress the material in the mould makes a big difference. Compressing enables immediate demoulding, eliminates shrinkage, greatly speeds up drying and makes a considerably stronger result. But it does require more equipment to do, and reduces final volume.

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "kjtbeskimo" <vickeym@...> wrote:
>
> Have been searching messages and every search term I can think of but have not found anything specific. We are newbies getting ready for our first attempt.
>
> Our paper is all shredded to little bits using a cross cut paper shredder. We have our drill and mixer blade, a bag of sand and will be getting portland cement soon. (had to buy sand as ours is still buried under snow.
>
> We want to make stepping stones and wall plaques for our store. Looking for as lightweight as possible that will still be durable enough for the intended use. (Need lightweight for shipping, we deal mostly with tourists.) But we are trying to find a recipe suitable for this and small enough to mix in a 5 gallon bucket for now.
>
> We still have 4 or 5 feet of heavily compressed snow on the ground here, and too cold still to do much outside. Days are finally getting around 30 degrees but nights are around 0 and even below 0 some nights. So larger projects and building our tow behind will not be happening for awhile yet.
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion for a recipe for stepping stones and or wall plaques they can recommend. Have found several recipes in the messages I have searched, but not sure which is suitable for which purposes. I know the stepping stones need to be stronger than the wall plaques but would appreciate any suggestions from those who have actually made papercrete.
>
> Vickey in Alaska
>

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[papercreters] Re: Top bar honeybee hive made of papercrete

How long's a piece of string?

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Flea" <fleaflier@...> wrote:
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> Hi Y'all:
>
> I'm a top bar bee keeper and I've been thinking of molding a beehive out of papercrete. Thinking of placing chicken wire inside the walls for tewnsile strength, but would like to go as light as possible, while keeping the elements out. Any recipe ideas to suggest?
>
> Raf
>

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[papercreters] Re: Welding spider gears in mixer differential?

It is more important why it disintegrated in the first place. Did a spider gear disintegrate, a ring gear or did the pinion bearing break?

Normally welding it will let both wheel turn together when the pinion is under pressure. Since both wheels are already turning, it won't make much of a difference.

(Husband is a mechanic and a stock car racer)

Vickey in Alaska

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Thursday, March 29, 2012

Re: [papercreters] Welding spider gears in mixer differential?

I wouold say it depends on the surface you are towing it on, while mixing.

Welded spiders will make the wheels turn together and on asphalt or concrete
or even hard dirt your tow vehicle will have a hard time making a turn when
the mixer is loaded.

How about welding only one spider.Then only one tire will drive the mixer
and with the othter tire wheel free-wheeling, turning will be a non issue.

Dan
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I wonder if anyone could help me with this. I had the differential on my tow
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mixer suggested that welding the spider gears would make the assembly hold
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Re: [papercreters] Paper (crete-less) Weed Mat

Thanks, Ken, I found your reference; it also has a nice read:

http://www.paperonweb.com/envrn.htm which might help. I was just thinking, might termites come up for a snack?

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Barry Norris <barry.pomaikai@gmail.com> wrote:

You might have weeds pushing through anyway, depending on what's in the soil there. The clay "frosting" might sprout in a week or so, depending on the temps. As for "leachates", I can't see any reason to worry, but try a look-up in Snopes if it will make you feel better. You didn't collect the paper from a hazmat source or some other obviously contaminated site, like weed killer sacks and such. You could always douse any tender seedlings that come up with boiling hot water, too, just to be really tidy (but the frosting might run a bit).

Aloha!

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:00 PM, trendawareness <trendlinesystems@gmail.com> wrote:

My very first papercrete project sort of snuck up on me.

I was pulling weeds in my yard, looked at a barrel of paper slurry that had been sitting out all winter, and thought hum...

Why buy weed mat when I've been stockpiling used paper?

So as a test, I cleared the weeds around a bush and poured a 2" layer of paper slurry (without cement or aggregates) in a 2 foot ring around a bush, leaving about an inch around the stalk clear.

I then "painted" the surface using a clump of grass with a clay root ball as a 'brush". Later, I found mixing the clay into the slurry before pouring probably works better.

Four days, and no rain, later, the paper mat is fully intact and still wet to the touch. Too soon to say for sure, but no weeds so far.

Hopefully it will work as a weed mat and help hold in the moisture during the dry summer months. I may try adding some fertilizer to the slurry and see if I can use the mat as a slow-release applicator.

Based on some paper forms that I poured years ago, the mat should last at least 2 years.

I did have a question however. Is anyone aware of any toxins in typical paper waste that could leach into the soil? My understanding is that non-toxic inks have been the norm for a while now.

I ask because if this test works I'd like to pour larger mats around my vegetables.

Photos of my first test are in the library. I'll update the album in a couple of weeks.

Thanks!

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Re: [papercreters] Paper (crete-less) Weed Mat

You might have weeds pushing through anyway, depending on what's in the soil there. The clay "frosting" might sprout in a week or so, depending on the temps. As for "leachates", I can't see any reason to worry, but try a look-up in Snopes if it will make you feel better. You didn't collect the paper from a hazmat source or some other obviously contaminated site, like weed killer sacks and such. You could always douse any tender seedlings that come up with boiling hot water, too, just to be really tidy (but the frosting might run a bit).

Aloha!

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:00 PM, trendawareness <trendlinesystems@gmail.com> wrote:

My very first papercrete project sort of snuck up on me.

I was pulling weeds in my yard, looked at a barrel of paper slurry that had been sitting out all winter, and thought hum...

Why buy weed mat when I've been stockpiling used paper?

So as a test, I cleared the weeds around a bush and poured a 2" layer of paper slurry (without cement or aggregates) in a 2 foot ring around a bush, leaving about an inch around the stalk clear.

I then "painted" the surface using a clump of grass with a clay root ball as a 'brush". Later, I found mixing the clay into the slurry before pouring probably works better.

Four days, and no rain, later, the paper mat is fully intact and still wet to the touch. Too soon to say for sure, but no weeds so far.

Hopefully it will work as a weed mat and help hold in the moisture during the dry summer months. I may try adding some fertilizer to the slurry and see if I can use the mat as a slow-release applicator.

Based on some paper forms that I poured years ago, the mat should last at least 2 years.

I did have a question however. Is anyone aware of any toxins in typical paper waste that could leach into the soil? My understanding is that non-toxic inks have been the norm for a while now.

I ask because if this test works I'd like to pour larger mats around my vegetables.

Photos of my first test are in the library. I'll update the album in a couple of weeks.

Thanks!

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Re: [papercreters] Re: Paper (crete-less) Weed Mat

This should help http://www.paperonweb.com/chemical.htm http://www.msds.com/ so unless you pay to have your paper screened or have the equipment to test it yourself I would not use it (PC)around edibles.

Ken
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From: trendawareness <trendlinesystems@gmail.com>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:05 AM
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Paper (crete-less) Weed Mat

Thanks for the reply.

Could you direct me to some authoritative sources?

A quick Google search quotes the EPA as saying the leaching of BPA is a "concern" but the primary source of exposure appears to be from plastic bottles, less so for paper, save for perhaps register receipts.

Other Goggle searches for "paper chemicals leaching" don't produce much else other than scientific "papers" discussing the leaching threat from other materials.

Thanks again!

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, ken bolin <bornofthehorses@...> wrote:
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> Do not use it around anything you would eat from to be on the safe side there are tons of chemicals harmful to man used in making paper and I know of no way to know what is in the paper used.
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> Ken
> LEAD FOLLOW OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PapercreteEarthbagsandVeggieoilohmy/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HomeMadeHydroponics/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/barrelponics/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alcoholfuel/
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> From: trendawareness <trendlinesystems@...>
> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:00 PM
> Subject: [papercreters] Paper (crete-less) Weed Mat
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> My very first papercrete project sort of snuck up on me.
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> I was pulling weeds in my yard, looked at a barrel of paper slurry that had been sitting out all winter, and thought hum...
>
> Why buy weed mat when I've been stockpiling used paper?
>
> So as a test, I cleared the weeds around a bush and poured a 2" layer of paper slurry (without cement or aggregates) in a 2 foot ring around a bush, leaving about an inch around the stalk clear.
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> I then "painted" the surface using a clump of grass with a clay root ball as a 'brush".   Later, I found mixing the clay into the slurry before pouring probably works better.
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> Four days, and no rain, later, the paper mat is fully intact and still wet to the touch.   Too soon to say for sure, but no weeds so far.
>
> Hopefully it will work as a weed mat and help hold in the moisture during the dry summer months.   I may try adding some fertilizer to the slurry and see if I can use the mat as a slow-release applicator.
>
> Based on some paper forms that I poured years ago, the mat should last at least 2 years.
>
> I did have a question however.   Is anyone aware of any toxins in typical paper waste that could leach into the soil? My understanding is that non-toxic inks have been the norm for a while now.
>
> I ask because if this test works I'd like to pour larger mats around my vegetables.
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> Photos of my first test are in the library. I'll update the album in a couple of weeks.
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> Thanks!
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[papercreters] Welding spider gears in mixer differential?

I wonder if anyone could help me with this. I had the differential on my tow mixer lock up and disintegrate and a friend of mine who has never used a tow mixer suggested that welding the spider gears would make the assembly hold up better. I looked up the procedure on line and it is quite doable, just don't know if it's worth the effort.
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Re: [papercreters] Re: Paper (crete-less) Weed Mat

I think the papercrete mulch would be perfectly acceptable. I used it last summer here in SW Arizona where you definitely need something to help keep the ground cool and it worked very well. Some of the nervous nellies on these online forums that come off with some of their observations and statements are rarely backed with any scientific data. It sounds like you have done your homework on this and are quite informed on the matter. We probably are in more danger from the plastic packaging that everything is wrapped in any more than using pulp as a mulch. What do you suppose the commercialy available weed barrier stuff is made of? I'd feel safer with paper.

--- On Thu, 3/29/12, trendawareness <trendlinesystems@gmail.com> wrote:

From: trendawareness <trendlinesystems@gmail.com>
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Paper (crete-lesI thins) Weed Mat
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 8:05 AM

Thanks for the reply.

Could you direct me to some authoritative sources?

A quick Google search quotes the EPA as saying the leaching of BPA is a "concern" but the primary source of exposure appears to be from plastic bottles, less so for paper, save for perhaps register receipts.

Other Goggle searches for "paper chemicals leaching" don't produce much else other than scientific "papers" discussing the leaching threat from other materials.

Thanks again!

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, ken bolin <bornofthehorses@...> wrote:
>
> Do not use it around anything you would eat from to be on the safe side there are tons of chemicals harmful to man used in making paper and I know of no way to know what is in the paper used.
>
>
> Ken
> LEAD FOLLOW OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY
>
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/12VDC_PowerPLus/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PapercreteEarthbagsandVeggieoilohmy/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/
> http://solarpanelkitatharborfreight.ning.com/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HomeMadeHydroponics/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/barrelponics/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alcoholfuel/
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> From: trendawareness <trendlinesystems@...>
> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:00 PM
> Subject: [papercreters] Paper (crete-less) Weed Mat
>
> My very first papercrete project sort of snuck up on me.
>
> I was pulling weeds in my yard, looked at a barrel of paper slurry that had been sitting out all winter, and thought hum...
>
> Why buy weed mat when I've been stockpiling used paper?
>
> So as a test, I cleared the weeds around a bush and poured a 2" layer of paper slurry (without cement or aggregates) in a 2 foot ring around a bush, leaving about an inch around the stalk clear.
>
> I then "painted" the surface using a clump of grass with a clay root ball as a 'brush". Later, I found mixing the clay into the slurry before pouring probably works better.
>
> Four days, and no rain, later, the paper mat is fully intact and still wet to the touch. Too soon to say for sure, but no weeds so far.
>
> Hopefully it will work as a weed mat and help hold in the moisture during the dry summer months. I may try adding some fertilizer to the slurry and see if I can use the mat as a slow-release applicator.
>
> Based on some paper forms that I poured years ago, the mat should last at least 2 years.
>
> I did have a question however. Is anyone aware of any toxins in typical paper waste that could leach into the soil? My understanding is that non-toxic inks have been the norm for a while now.
>
> I ask because if this test works I'd like to pour larger mats around my vegetables.
>
> Photos of my first test are in the library. I'll update the album in a couple of weeks.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [papercreters] Re: Paper (crete-less) Weed Mat

Just google dioxin and websites related to dioxin and paper manufacture will come up

From: trendawareness <trendlinesystems@gmail.com>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 11:05 AM
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Paper (crete-less) Weed Mat

Thanks for the reply.

Could you direct me to some authoritative sources?

A quick Google search quotes the EPA as saying the leaching of BPA is a "concern" but the primary source of exposure appears to be from plastic bottles, less so for paper, save for perhaps register receipts.

Other Goggle searches for "paper chemicals leaching" don't produce much else other than scientific "papers" discussing the leaching threat from other materials.

Thanks again!

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, ken bolin <bornofthehorses@...> wrote:
>
> Do not use it around anything you would eat from to be on the safe side there are tons of chemicals harmful to man used in making paper and I know of no way to know what is in the paper used.
>
>
> Ken
> LEAD FOLLOW OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY
>
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/12VDC_PowerPLus/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PapercreteEarthbagsandVeggieoilohmy/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/
> http://solarpanelkitatharborfreight.ning.com/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HomeMadeHydroponics/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/barrelponics/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alcoholfuel/
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: trendawareness <trendlinesystems@...>
> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:00 PM
> Subject: [papercreters] Paper (crete-less) Weed Mat
>
> My very first papercrete project sort of snuck up on me.
>
> I was pulling weeds in my yard, looked at a barrel of paper slurry that had been sitting out all winter, and thought hum...
>
> Why buy weed mat when I've been stockpiling used paper?
>
> So as a test, I cleared the weeds around a bush and poured a 2" layer of paper slurry (without cement or aggregates) in a 2 foot ring around a bush, leaving about an inch around the stalk clear.
>
> I then "painted" the surface using a clump of grass with a clay root ball as a 'brush". Later, I found mixing the clay into the slurry before pouring probably works better.
>
> Four days, and no rain, later, the paper mat is fully intact and still wet to the touch. Too soon to say for sure, but no weeds so far.
>
> Hopefully it will work as a weed mat and help hold in the moisture during the dry summer months. I may try adding some fertilizer to the slurry and see if I can use the mat as a slow-release applicator.
>
> Based on some paper forms that I poured years ago, the mat should last at least 2 years.
>
> I did have a question however. Is anyone aware of any toxins in typical paper waste that could leach into the soil? My understanding is that non-toxic inks have been the norm for a while now.
>
> I ask because if this test works I'd like to pour larger mats around my vegetables.
>
> Photos of my first test are in the library. I'll update the album in a couple of weeks.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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[papercreters] Re: Paper (crete-less) Weed Mat

Thanks for the reply.

Could you direct me to some authoritative sources?

A quick Google search quotes the EPA as saying the leaching of BPA is a "concern" but the primary source of exposure appears to be from plastic bottles, less so for paper, save for perhaps register receipts.

Other Goggle searches for "paper chemicals leaching" don't produce much else other than scientific "papers" discussing the leaching threat from other materials.

Thanks again!

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, ken bolin <bornofthehorses@...> wrote:
>
> Do not use it around anything you would eat from to be on the safe side there are tons of chemicals harmful to man used in making paper and I know of no way to know what is in the paper used.
>
>
> Ken
> LEAD FOLLOW OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY
>
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/12VDC_PowerPLus/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PapercreteEarthbagsandVeggieoilohmy/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/
> http://solarpanelkitatharborfreight.ning.com/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HomeMadeHydroponics/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/barrelponics/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alcoholfuel/
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: trendawareness <trendlinesystems@...>
> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:00 PM
> Subject: [papercreters] Paper (crete-less) Weed Mat
>
> My very first papercrete project sort of snuck up on me.
>
> I was pulling weeds in my yard, looked at a barrel of paper slurry that had been sitting out all winter, and thought hum...
>
> Why buy weed mat when I've been stockpiling used paper?
>
> So as a test, I cleared the weeds around a bush and poured a 2" layer of paper slurry (without cement or aggregates) in a 2 foot ring around a bush, leaving about an inch around the stalk clear.
>
> I then "painted" the surface using a clump of grass with a clay root ball as a 'brush". Later, I found mixing the clay into the slurry before pouring probably works better.
>
> Four days, and no rain, later, the paper mat is fully intact and still wet to the touch. Too soon to say for sure, but no weeds so far.
>
> Hopefully it will work as a weed mat and help hold in the moisture during the dry summer months. I may try adding some fertilizer to the slurry and see if I can use the mat as a slow-release applicator.
>
> Based on some paper forms that I poured years ago, the mat should last at least 2 years.
>
> I did have a question however. Is anyone aware of any toxins in typical paper waste that could leach into the soil? My understanding is that non-toxic inks have been the norm for a while now.
>
> I ask because if this test works I'd like to pour larger mats around my vegetables.
>
> Photos of my first test are in the library. I'll update the album in a couple of weeks.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>
>
>
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Re: [papercreters] Paper (crete-less) Weed Mat

An interesting project, and though I would have no problem using this kind of mat on ornamental shrubery, I would be hesitant to use it in a vegetable garden. Dioxin is one of the deadliest chemicals known to man and is a by-product of paper making industry, in particular when paper is bleached in order to make it white for newspapers (papercreters favorite) and other uses. Dioxin is a cancer hazard, and has been implicated in reproductive and developmental problems. Though some experts say that dioxin is harmless in small amounts, I say "do you want to take a chance with your life and/or health at stake based on someone's "expertice"? Do some internet research on the subject, then judge for yourself.

Raf

From: trendawareness <trendlinesystems@gmail.com>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:00 PM
Subject: [papercreters] Paper (crete-less) Weed Mat

My very first papercrete project sort of snuck up on me.

I was pulling weeds in my yard, looked at a barrel of paper slurry that had been sitting out all winter, and thought hum...

Why buy weed mat when I've been stockpiling used paper?

So as a test, I cleared the weeds around a bush and poured a 2" layer of paper slurry (without cement or aggregates) in a 2 foot ring around a bush, leaving about an inch around the stalk clear.

I then "painted" the surface using a clump of grass with a clay root ball as a 'brush". Later, I found mixing the clay into the slurry before pouring probably works better.

Four days, and no rain, later, the paper mat is fully intact and still wet to the touch. Too soon to say for sure, but no weeds so far.

Hopefully it will work as a weed mat and help hold in the moisture during the dry summer months. I may try adding some fertilizer to the slurry and see if I can use the mat as a slow-release applicator.

Based on some paper forms that I poured years ago, the mat should last at least 2 years.

I did have a question however. Is anyone aware of any toxins in typical paper waste that could leach into the soil? My understanding is that non-toxic inks have been the norm for a while now.

I ask because if this test works I'd like to pour larger mats around my vegetables.

Photos of my first test are in the library. I'll update the album in a couple of weeks.

Thanks!

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Re: [papercreters] looking for small batch recipe help

Aloha, Vickey,

Be sure to keep that portland cement bone-dry, maybe using one of those "hermetically-sealing" plastic bins, with some silica gel packs added. What - you t'ink dis coconut know how deal wit' SNOW?? Mebbe shave ice, yah. Srsly, you can try a 1-2-3(or more) parts of portland cement, sand - or perlite - and paper pulp, soaked, blended to mush, drained before measuring, mixing well with little bits of water added at a time to get that usable consistency you know you need, then molding, but I think the waaaay-sub 50 degree weather will force you to triple the time before unmolding, and I'd think the same would be true before stress-testing your first items. There's simply no substitute for just mudding up, keeping careful notes on your mix, da kine, and expecting a crumbling mess or something looking like someone sat on the saltines. I learn something new every time - sometimes the same lesson, sometimes it works, then I try something new, like fooling with yard-sale "carving" tools, brushing, scratching, gouging, and so on, just trying to look like I know what I'm doing. Sure is fun, though.

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:53 PM, kjtbeskimo <vickeym@gmail.com> wrote:

Have been searching messages and every search term I can think of but have not found anything specific. We are newbies getting ready for our first attempt.

Our paper is all shredded to little bits using a cross cut paper shredder. We have our drill and mixer blade, a bag of sand and will be getting portland cement soon. (had to buy sand as ours is still buried under snow.

We want to make stepping stones and wall plaques for our store. Looking for as lightweight as possible that will still be durable enough for the intended use. (Need lightweight for shipping, we deal mostly with tourists.) But we are trying to find a recipe suitable for this and small enough to mix in a 5 gallon bucket for now.

We still have 4 or 5 feet of heavily compressed snow on the ground here, and too cold still to do much outside. Days are finally getting around 30 degrees but nights are around 0 and even below 0 some nights. So larger projects and building our tow behind will not be happening for awhile yet.

Does anyone have a suggestion for a recipe for stepping stones and or wall plaques they can recommend. Have found several recipes in the messages I have searched, but not sure which is suitable for which purposes. I know the stepping stones need to be stronger than the wall plaques but would appreciate any suggestions from those who have actually made papercrete.

Vickey in Alaska

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Wednesday, March 28, 2012

Re: [papercreters] Paper (crete-less) Weed Mat

Do not use it around anything you would eat from to be on the safe side there are tons of chemicals harmful to man used in making paper and I know of no way to know what is in the paper used.

Ken
LEAD FOLLOW OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY

From: trendawareness <trendlinesystems@gmail.com>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:00 PM
Subject: [papercreters] Paper (crete-less) Weed Mat

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