Re: [papercreters] papercrete in the far north frozen wasteland

I don't have any structure in mind, I am thinking built from scratch.  I thought covering a mobile home with strawbale would be a good idea, papercrete would also seem viable.  I was wondering about the snow banks which can cover a house, and spring thaws, as well as the cold temps.

Brian

On 2/25/2012 4:05 PM, spaceman wrote:

I don't live in an arctic region and it doesn't often get below the teens here, but I have worked with papercrete in below freezing weather. There didn't seem to be any problem other than it was miserable getting wet in that weather. The last batch I did a couple of weeks ago froze the first night and now that it has cured for a while it doesn't seem to be affected at all.

If you keep it dry, pc should perform as well as any other insulation. Considering that pc runs in the range of R3 per inch of thickness, you would probably want lots of thickness in that kind of temperature. Have you done any heat loss calculations on a building you are thinking of? Things like doors and windows, slab insulation, roof material and color all affect it, along with the amount of exposed area.

spaceman

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[papercreters] Re: permit to use papercrete in city in Texas

You might also consider a vermicomposting system that uses red wiggler worms.

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>
> Greetings,
>
> The toilet is a standard bucket toilet aka humanure. the book is on the
> internet. The grey/black water set up, since in Texas all kitchen water
> is considered black water, is similar to this video.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBMpaWq4EKE
>
> We wanted systems that we can build ourselves and that are financially
> responsible. Also, that we can repair ourselves. Like most people on
> this list, we are monetarily challenged. We also wanted a system that
> the county won't complain about.
>
> Bright Blessings,
> Garth & Kim Travis
> www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
> Bedias, Texas
>
> On 2/24/2012 1:49 PM, Paul wrote:
> > Hi Garth & Kim,
> >
> > could you please outline your composting setup, what type of setup do
> > you have and could you explain more about the composting system and grey
> > water for my benefit and others please. Would be interested in knowing
> > how you settled on your design and what options you discounted and why?
> > Could save a lot of reiteration and resources.
> >
> > Regards, Psul
> >
> > --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:papercreters%40yahoogroups.com>, Garth & Kim Travis <gartht@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > You may want to save yourself some money by going with a compost toilet
> > > and grey water system. Much better for the environment and much cheaper
> > > than a septic. I wish I had saved that money. That is what we use now,
> > > the septic sits, unused.
> > >
> > > Bright Blessings,
> > > Garth & Kim Travis
> > > www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
> > > Bedias, Texas
> > >
> > > On 2/23/2012 2:00 PM, michael wrote:
> > > > Yesterday ran into the city inspector of my small city 14,000. I know
> > > > him because I used to be home inspector. I asked him about doing
> > > > Papercrete and he said sure. His answer was bases on has it been used
> > > > before and I had explained yes and it has been tested. I happen to be
> > > > trying to move to the hill country away from this city but that was
> > very
> > > > encouraging. The cost of a well and septic being $17,000 is a bite out
> > > > of my budget. I may build something small on my property (hallway to
> > > > wood shop) just to practice and use as a reference that
> > > > I have built in city limits. Mike
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Re: [papercreters] Re: permit to use papercrete in city in Texas

Greetings,

The toilet is a standard bucket toilet aka humanure. the book is on the
internet. The grey/black water set up, since in Texas all kitchen water
is considered black water, is similar to this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBMpaWq4EKE

We wanted systems that we can build ourselves and that are financially
responsible. Also, that we can repair ourselves. Like most people on
this list, we are monetarily challenged. We also wanted a system that
the county won't complain about.

Bright Blessings,
Garth & Kim Travis
www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
Bedias, Texas

On 2/24/2012 1:49 PM, Paul wrote:
> Hi Garth & Kim,
>
> could you please outline your composting setup, what type of setup do
> you have and could you explain more about the composting system and grey
> water for my benefit and others please. Would be interested in knowing
> how you settled on your design and what options you discounted and why?
> Could save a lot of reiteration and resources.
>
> Regards, Psul
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:papercreters%40yahoogroups.com>, Garth & Kim Travis <gartht@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings,
> > You may want to save yourself some money by going with a compost toilet
> > and grey water system. Much better for the environment and much cheaper
> > than a septic. I wish I had saved that money. That is what we use now,
> > the septic sits, unused.
> >
> > Bright Blessings,
> > Garth & Kim Travis
> > www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
> > Bedias, Texas
> >
> > On 2/23/2012 2:00 PM, michael wrote:
> > > Yesterday ran into the city inspector of my small city 14,000. I know
> > > him because I used to be home inspector. I asked him about doing
> > > Papercrete and he said sure. His answer was bases on has it been used
> > > before and I had explained yes and it has been tested. I happen to be
> > > trying to move to the hill country away from this city but that was
> very
> > > encouraging. The cost of a well and septic being $17,000 is a bite out
> > > of my budget. I may build something small on my property (hallway to
> > > wood shop) just to practice and use as a reference that
> > > I have built in city limits. Mike
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No virus found in this message.
> > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
> > > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4827 - Release Date:
> 02/23/12
> > >
> >
>
>
>
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I know things can get discouraging especially when you have worked so hard and are tired beyond belief. Sometimes it helps to take a little break. I remember when my husband an I were building 25 or so years ago. We were such workaholics! When it all got to be too much we would take a couple of days and go to a nearby motel, one with a pool and hot tub. We took our favorite beverages, ate at restaurants and slept a large percentage of time. I'm so thankful my mother was closeby and could stay with the kids (the last 2 were born during the building process). One of our favorite getaways was taking a watercolor workshop in Santa Fe. We were really able to get our minds on something different --- and we ended up with a couple of nice paintings. Now I am on my own and building with papercrete. I have a lot of help from friends but still have to be careful not to get too intense. 

I would say maybe you need a little treat. Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing candidly. All of this experience whether positive or otherwise is very helpful to all of us.



Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercretebyjudith.com/blog

More papercrete info at http://squidoo.com/papercretebyjudith

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From: valledecalle@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 15:22:33 -0600
Subject: [papercreters] Thanks to each of you in your support. It means so much. Permission from Mods (Not a money making venture, but educational)

 

Too much stress in my life right now.

Kids can drain a mom in short order.

The thought of finally having lights at night,  or using a mixer is beyond exciting.

Creating something out if nothing takes far too much time, effort and energy.
Our learning curve on Earthbag building has been brutal.
When we lost a 19 ft wall last fall we were crushed emotionally,  no one was injured, but my husband and teen were heart broken.

So when Spaceman says it is horrible to see your sprayed wall slide to the ground,  we know the feeling.

I wanted to papercrete the bag walls, but hubby has been using our clay/sand soil to make adobe crate.

It is so labor intensive with a little concrete mixer, hauling water and running a genie for hours.

We are hoping that our rather mild winter means that the plastic covered walls and the covered adobe crete walls are standing and remain stable.

Labor intensive beyond belief.

Calle

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Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 19:23:14 GMT+00:00
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Don't go Calle, we value you!

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 11:03 AM, spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net> wrote:

 

Please remember that you only heard from a couple of members out of the over 1,800 here. Don't let a couple of vocal aggressive people appear to be a majority. Obviously none of the objectors went and actually read the group home page outlining what is acceptable here.

We would hate to lose you as a member. You have been around for a long time and as one of the ones "doing it" we like to hear your infrequent updates.

spaceman


On 2/25/2012 10:53 AM, valledecalle@yahoo.com wrote:

Thanks Spaceman for the note on why our messages are other places, never thought about "yahoo", pulling the plug,  very smart of you guys.

You are so correct, won't ever approach this group again.

I will try to get your email and Judith addresses in my address book.

Thanks for all of your work.

Wish the couple who have gotten so far on their house would post again.

Later,

Calle

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Re: [papercreters] papercrete in the far north frozen wasteland

I don't live in an arctic region and it doesn't often get below the teens here, but I have worked with papercrete in below freezing weather. There didn't seem to be any problem other than it was miserable getting wet in that weather. The last batch I did a couple of weeks ago froze the first night and now that it has cured for a while it doesn't seem to be affected at all.

If you keep it dry, pc should perform as well as any other insulation. Considering that pc runs in the range of R3 per inch of thickness, you would probably want lots of thickness in that kind of temperature. Have you done any heat loss calculations on a building you are thinking of? Things like doors and windows, slab insulation, roof material and color all affect it, along with the amount of exposed area.

spaceman

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Anyone have experience with papercrete in the far north frozen  wasteland?  How well does it do in 50 below with 100 below windchills?  Brian   ------------------------------------  

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[papercreters] papercrete in the far north frozen wasteland

Anyone have experience with papercrete in the far north frozen
wasteland? How well does it do in 50 below with 100 below windchills?

Brian

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[papercreters] Thanks to each of you in your support. It means so much. Permission from Mods (Not a money making venture, but educational)

Too much stress in my life right now.

Kids can drain a mom in short order.

The thought of finally having lights at night,  or using a mixer is beyond exciting.

Creating something out if nothing takes far too much time, effort and energy.
Our learning curve on Earthbag building has been brutal.
When we lost a 19 ft wall last fall we were crushed emotionally,  no one was injured, but my husband and teen were heart broken.

So when Spaceman says it is horrible to see your sprayed wall slide to the ground,  we know the feeling.

I wanted to papercrete the bag walls, but hubby has been using our clay/sand soil to make adobe crate.

It is so labor intensive with a little concrete mixer, hauling water and running a genie for hours.

We are hoping that our rather mild winter means that the plastic covered walls and the covered adobe crete walls are standing and remain stable.

Labor intensive beyond belief.

Calle

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From: Ev <evelynanne8@gmail.com>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 19:23:14 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Permission from Mods (Not a money making venture, but educational)

 

Don't go Calle, we value you!

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 11:03 AM, spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net> wrote:

 

Please remember that you only heard from a couple of members out of the over 1,800 here. Don't let a couple of vocal aggressive people appear to be a majority. Obviously none of the objectors went and actually read the group home page outlining what is acceptable here.

We would hate to lose you as a member. You have been around for a long time and as one of the ones "doing it" we like to hear your infrequent updates.

spaceman


On 2/25/2012 10:53 AM, valledecalle@yahoo.com wrote:

Thanks Spaceman for the note on why our messages are other places, never thought about "yahoo", pulling the plug,  very smart of you guys.

You are so correct, won't ever approach this group again.

I will try to get your email and Judith addresses in my address book.

Thanks for all of your work.

Wish the couple who have gotten so far on their house would post again.

Later,

Calle

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Don't go Calle, we value you!

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 11:03 AM, spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net> wrote:

 

Please remember that you only heard from a couple of members out of the over 1,800 here. Don't let a couple of vocal aggressive people appear to be a majority. Obviously none of the objectors went and actually read the group home page outlining what is acceptable here.

We would hate to lose you as a member. You have been around for a long time and as one of the ones "doing it" we like to hear your infrequent updates.

spaceman


On 2/25/2012 10:53 AM, valledecalle@yahoo.com wrote:

Thanks Spaceman for the note on why our messages are other places, never thought about "yahoo", pulling the plug,  very smart of you guys.

You are so correct, won't ever approach this group again.

I will try to get your email and Judith addresses in my address book.

Thanks for all of your work.

Wish the couple who have gotten so far on their house would post again.

Later,

Calle

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Re: [papercreters] paper & cardboard are fine, but what about using sawdust?

It took about 1/4 second for yahoo to find 243 messages in the group archives that mention sawdust.

Look here and you'll probably want to start with the older ones when Charmaine was contributing her experiences.

On 2/20/2012 7:59 PM, waterengineman101 wrote:

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[papercreters] PLEASE - Last Post on this Thread was/Re: Permission from Mods (Not a money making venture, but educational)

Thanks Ev  : )

Maybe janitor was less accurate than fireman, carrying around a 5 gallon bucket of water and a shovel to put out little flare ups.

This has always been a great list with plenty of helpful friendly folks, it just has slowed down lately. We really miss the energy of our fearless leader who kept things hopping. Slurry Guy, where are you?

spaceman

On 2/25/2012 11:20 AM, Ev wrote:

  Here, here, spaceman and Calle, you have been a great member of this group and I do hope this all will blow over and you will see to posting again. Even though spaceman is not the leader he is very much on top of things, always have been. And I want to thank you, spaceman, for your "non-leadership" :) This is a very good list with people that have a lot of experience and the willingness to share with the rest of us.

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Please remember that you only heard from a couple of members out of the over 1,800 here. Don't let a couple of vocal aggressive people appear to be a majority. Obviously none of the objectors went and actually read the group home page outlining what is acceptable here.

We would hate to lose you as a member. You have been around for a long time and as one of the ones "doing it" we like to hear your infrequent updates.

spaceman


On 2/25/2012 10:53 AM, valledecalle@yahoo.com wrote:

Thanks Spaceman for the note on why our messages are other places, never thought about "yahoo", pulling the plug,  very smart of you guys.

You are so correct, won't ever approach this group again.

I will try to get your email and Judith addresses in my address book.

Thanks for all of your work.

Wish the couple who have gotten so far on their house would post again.

Later,

Calle

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Re: [papercreters] Re: Permission from Mods (Not a money making venture, but educational)

OK, time to bite this thread off and move on to papercrete in a new thread. There is nothing more to be gained here, and becoming argumentative is counter productive. Right behind spam, flame wars are not allowed here.

Brian, please re ask your question below (the on topic one about papercrete) in a new subject, please.

spaceman



On 2/25/2012 11:39 AM, Brian wrote:

Calle, I gave you the owners address.  You didn't read my message before you condemned it or you would have seen it.  Also I believe the objections are from the spam within the asking permissions thing.  People ofter post in some form of "I hope this isn't the wrong thing to do here..." knowing they are ion fact doing something objectionable but get their message out anyway... is spam.

I have heard of the program you mentioned, I am familiar with the farm you describe, I have read about it months ago.  There are some such as this listed on ic.org which may be where I saw it, I do not know.  These types of situations can work out well, some don't.  Some are genuine, some just looking for slave labor.

I also believe most papercrete people are bright enough to be wary of possible bad situations so I doubt the warnings about hooking up online are necessary.  Are they?

...but, since you are taking your toys and going home...

So...
Anyone have experience with papercrete in the far north frozen wasteland?  How well does it do in 50 below with 100 below windchills?

Brian

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Re: [papercreters] Re: Permission from Mods (Not a money making venture, but educational)

Calle, I gave you the owners address.  You didn't read my message before you condemned it or you would have seen it.  Also I believe the objections are from the spam within the asking permissions thing.  People ofter post in some form of "I hope this isn't the wrong thing to do here..." knowing they are ion fact doing something objectionable but get their message out anyway... is spam.

I have heard of the program you mentioned, I am familiar with the farm you describe, I have read about it months ago.  There are some such as this listed on ic.org which may be where I saw it, I do not know.  These types of situations can work out well, some don't.  Some are genuine, some just looking for slave labor.

I also believe most papercrete people are bright enough to be wary of possible bad situations so I doubt the warnings about hooking up online are necessary.  Are they?

...but, since you are taking your toys and going home...

So...
Anyone have experience with papercrete in the far north frozen wasteland?  How well does it do in 50 below with 100 below windchills?

Brian

On 2/25/2012 10:13 AM, valledecalle@yahoo.com wrote:

Brian, I don't have his email.

I take great offence at your inference that this is spam.

I am a professional woman that is honorable and would never spam anyone.

It was merely a way to help others experience a new adventure.

Many have contacted me.

I am so busy and did not post as others have done.

I requested permission.

Interesting to see all of those who do not post,  but when I made a request, come out of the papercrete background.

Can't remember how long I have been a member, this usually is the quieter of all the groups I belong to.

I don't post often as many of us found out that it all goes out on Google, this list is not private.

Strange that this is the only group that had objected.

Never meant to offend anyone Spaceman.


I will not post here even if given permission.

Calle

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Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Permission from Mods (Not a money making venture, but educational)

 

Maybe your inquiry would be better off list with the owner?  You seem to be going about gaining permission to spam in a strange around about way.

Try papercreters-owner@yahoogroups.com

Brian


On 2/25/2012 9:04 AM, valledecalle@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi

This is not anything political.

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Re: [papercreters] Re: Permission from Mods (Not a money making venture, but educational)

Here, here, spaceman and Calle, you have been a great member of this group and I do hope this all will blow over and you will see to posting again. Even though spaceman is not the leader he is very much on top of things, always have been. And I want to thank you, spaceman, for your "non-leadership" :) This is a very good list with people that have a lot of experience and the willingness to share with the rest of us.

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 9:20 AM, spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net> wrote:

 

OK, first off - I'm not the leader, I'm just one of the janitors around here. The list owner, Slurry Guy or Jay Hawk, has been MIA for a couple of years. I still haven't heard from the other moderators, and meanwhile there has been more discussion than would probably have happened if the information had just been posted. I believe a short note explaining the opportunity and with his contact information might be of interest to at least some group members. Our group policy includes things like "electrical, plumbing, HVAC (heating ventilation and air conditioning), roofing, windows, and other aspects of construction are all important factors open to discussion. " and solar/wind power would fall under that. It's not like this is a commercial venture trying to scam money, it is something that Calle wanted to share with the group, that some members may be interested in. I make similar offers from time to time - I always have openings for apprentices who would like to trade work for education. Way back when, I discussed this with the group founder and he had no objection to such posts - rather welcomed them as an opportunity for group members.

It is regretful that this whole discussion even happened. I'm sure Calle would approach this off list next time, rather than expose herself. You gotta give her credit for trying to make sure. This list has been really slow lately and when people get bored they will grab anything.

As far as this list not being "private", nothing you do online is private. Google has bots (and many others do) that crawl the internet constantly and sift through all the data. All communications are filtered and processed. If you want privacy then give away your computer and put your cell phone in a grounded metal box.

Beyond that, this group is echoed to another website purposely so that there is another copy for when Yahoo pulls the rug out from under us. It is backup of the information that has been given to this group. We are also tied to a youtube group dedicated to papercrete.

spaceman
one of the moderators

On 2/25/2012 9:13 AM, valledecalle@yahoo.com wrote:

Brian, I don't have his email.

I take great offence at your inference that this is spam.

I am a professional woman that is honorable and would never spam anyone.

It was merely a way to help others experience a new adventure.

Many have contacted me.

I am so busy and did not post as others have done.

I requested permission.

Interesting to see all of those who do not post,  but when I made a request, come out of the papercrete background.

Can't remember how long I have been a member, this usually is the quieter of all the groups I belong to.

I don't post often as many of us found out that it all goes out on Google, this list is not private.

Strange that this is the only group that had objected.

Never meant to offend anyone Spaceman.


I will not post here even if given permission.

Calle

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-----Original message-----

From: Brian <ok_fine@gra.midco.net>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 15:48:32 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Permission from Mods (Not a money making venture, but educational)

 

Maybe your inquiry would be better off list with the owner?  You seem to be going about gaining permission to spam in a strange around about way.

Try papercreters-owner@yahoogroups.com

Brian


On 2/25/2012 9:04 AM, valledecalle@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi

This is not anything political.

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Re: [papercreters] Re: Permission from Mods (Not a money making venture, but educational)

Thanks Spaceman for the note on why our messages are other places, never thought about "yahoo", pulling the plug,  very smart of you guys.

You are so correct, won't ever approach this group again.

I will try to get your email and Judith addresses in my address book.

Thanks for all of your work.

Wish the couple who have gotten so far on their house would post again.

Later,

Calle

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From: spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 17:20:59 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Permission from Mods (Not a money making venture, but educational)

 

OK, first off - I'm not the leader, I'm just one of the janitors around here. The list owner, Slurry Guy or Jay Hawk, has been MIA for a couple of years. I still haven't heard from the other moderators, and meanwhile there has been more discussion than would probably have happened if the information had just been posted. I believe a short note explaining the opportunity and with his contact information might be of interest to at least some group members. Our group policy includes things like "electrical, plumbing, HVAC (heating ventilation and air conditioning), roofing, windows, and other aspects of construction are all important factors open to discussion. " and solar/wind power would fall under that. It's not like this is a commercial venture trying to scam money, it is something that Calle wanted to share with the group, that some members may be interested in. I make similar offers from time to time - I always have openings for apprentices who would like to trade work for education. Way back when, I discussed this with the group founder and he had no objection to such posts - rather welcomed them as an opportunity for group members.

It is regretful that this whole discussion even happened. I'm sure Calle would approach this off list next time, rather than expose herself. You gotta give her credit for trying to make sure. This list has been really slow lately and when people get bored they will grab anything.

As far as this list not being "private", nothing you do online is private. Google has bots (and many others do) that crawl the internet constantly and sift through all the data. All communications are filtered and processed. If you want privacy then give away your computer and put your cell phone in a grounded metal box.

Beyond that, this group is echoed to another website purposely so that there is another copy for when Yahoo pulls the rug out from under us. It is backup of the information that has been given to this group. We are also tied to a youtube group dedicated to papercrete.

spaceman
one of the moderators

On 2/25/2012 9:13 AM, valledecalle@yahoo.com wrote:

Brian, I don't have his email.

I take great offence at your inference that this is spam.

I am a professional woman that is honorable and would never spam anyone.

It was merely a way to help others experience a new adventure.

Many have contacted me.

I am so busy and did not post as others have done.

I requested permission.

Interesting to see all of those who do not post,  but when I made a request, come out of the papercrete background.

Can't remember how long I have been a member, this usually is the quieter of all the groups I belong to.

I don't post often as many of us found out that it all goes out on Google, this list is not private.

Strange that this is the only group that had objected.

Never meant to offend anyone Spaceman.


I will not post here even if given permission.

Calle

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----

From: Brian <ok_fine@gra.midco.net>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 15:48:32 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Permission from Mods (Not a money making venture, but educational)

 

Maybe your inquiry would be better off list with the owner?  You seem to be going about gaining permission to spam in a strange around about way.

Try papercreters-owner@yahoogroups.com

Brian


On 2/25/2012 9:04 AM, valledecalle@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi

This is not anything political.

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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Re: [papercreters] Spraying mixes for wet/dry continental extreme climates

I did quite a bit of sprayed papercrete about ten years ago. It works very well and you can build up a pretty good thickness before it slides off. You should have a surface with some teeth so the pc can get a grip. The old TIG siding would probably work if it has shrunk to the point of widening the cracks so pc can penetrate. If you don't remove the vinyl, you might want to put some chicken wire on first. It is really disappointing to spend hours building up a wall and then see it all slump to the ground. The ferrocement folks use a corrugated chicken wire that is ideal. They make it with two rollers that look like Gatling guns, rolling ridges into the wire. A rented sprayer should not have problems with your mix as long as it is well pulped without lumps.

For a thin coat you will want plenty of portland cement, maybe even up to 2:1 cement:paper.

On 2/25/2012 10:33 AM, iniromls wrote:

Hello!  I am in need of a siding solution, and think spraying papercrete, or other stucco is a great way to go, on first glance. I'm rehabbing an abandoned house and parts of the vinyl siding are gone, with only plywood or the original (100 year old) tounge-in-groove wood siding remaining.  I do live in a wet / dry seasonal climate, and I understand, after reviewing posts here, that some have had success w/ papercrete stucco. I'd love a good recipe for spraying mixes for wet/dry continental extreme climates.  I figure I can spray more layers to get the outer surface of the house even.    If there any new developments or tips you want to share, I'd be most grateful. If I rent a sprayer, will they get upset at paper-mix use? Will it stick to vinyl, or do I need to affix metal mesh or something like that? I don't want to take off the vinyl, as the existing insulation is blown into it, and the wood siding underneath is very old.  Thanks for any advice!  Saralin    ------------------------------------  Yahoo! Groups Links  <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/  <*> Your email settings:     Individual Email | Traditional  <*> To change settings online go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/join     (Yahoo! ID required)  <*> To change settings via email:     papercreters-digest@yahoogroups.com      papercreters-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com  <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:     papercreters-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com  <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:     http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/    ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4831 - Release Date: 02/25/12   

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[papercreters] Spraying mixes for wet/dry continental extreme climates

Hello!

I am in need of a siding solution, and think spraying papercrete, or other stucco is a great way to go, on first glance. I'm rehabbing an abandoned house and parts of the vinyl siding are gone, with only plywood or the original (100 year old) tounge-in-groove wood siding remaining. I do live in a wet / dry seasonal climate, and I understand, after reviewing posts here, that some have had success w/ papercrete stucco. I'd love a good recipe for spraying mixes for wet/dry continental extreme climates. I figure I can spray more layers to get the outer surface of the house even.

If there any new developments or tips you want to share, I'd be most grateful. If I rent a sprayer, will they get upset at paper-mix use? Will it stick to vinyl, or do I need to affix metal mesh or something like that? I don't want to take off the vinyl, as the existing insulation is blown into it, and the wood siding underneath is very old.

Thanks for any advice!

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Re: [papercreters] Re: Permission from Mods (Not a money making venture, but educational)

OK, first off - I'm not the leader, I'm just one of the janitors around here. The list owner, Slurry Guy or Jay Hawk, has been MIA for a couple of years. I still haven't heard from the other moderators, and meanwhile there has been more discussion than would probably have happened if the information had just been posted. I believe a short note explaining the opportunity and with his contact information might be of interest to at least some group members. Our group policy includes things like "electrical, plumbing, HVAC (heating ventilation and air conditioning), roofing, windows, and other aspects of construction are all important factors open to discussion. " and solar/wind power would fall under that. It's not like this is a commercial venture trying to scam money, it is something that Calle wanted to share with the group, that some members may be interested in. I make similar offers from time to time - I always have openings for apprentices who would like to trade work for education. Way back when, I discussed this with the group founder and he had no objection to such posts - rather welcomed them as an opportunity for group members.

It is regretful that this whole discussion even happened. I'm sure Calle would approach this off list next time, rather than expose herself. You gotta give her credit for trying to make sure. This list has been really slow lately and when people get bored they will grab anything.

As far as this list not being "private", nothing you do online is private. Google has bots (and many others do) that crawl the internet constantly and sift through all the data. All communications are filtered and processed. If you want privacy then give away your computer and put your cell phone in a grounded metal box.

Beyond that, this group is echoed to another website purposely so that there is another copy for when Yahoo pulls the rug out from under us. It is backup of the information that has been given to this group. We are also tied to a youtube group dedicated to papercrete.

spaceman
one of the moderators

On 2/25/2012 9:13 AM, valledecalle@yahoo.com wrote:

Brian, I don't have his email.

I take great offence at your inference that this is spam.

I am a professional woman that is honorable and would never spam anyone.

It was merely a way to help others experience a new adventure.

Many have contacted me.

I am so busy and did not post as others have done.

I requested permission.

Interesting to see all of those who do not post,  but when I made a request, come out of the papercrete background.

Can't remember how long I have been a member, this usually is the quieter of all the groups I belong to.

I don't post often as many of us found out that it all goes out on Google, this list is not private.

Strange that this is the only group that had objected.

Never meant to offend anyone Spaceman.


I will not post here even if given permission.

Calle

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----

From: Brian <ok_fine@gra.midco.net>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 15:48:32 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Permission from Mods (Not a money making venture, but educational)

 

Maybe your inquiry would be better off list with the owner?  You seem to be going about gaining permission to spam in a strange around about way.

Try papercreters-owner@yahoogroups.com

Brian


On 2/25/2012 9:04 AM, valledecalle@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi

This is not anything political.

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4830 - Release Date: 02/24/12

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