Papercreters: April 2011

Saturday, April 30, 2011

Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

Have no concerns

I know where this hay comes from.

It is Alfalfa / Bromegrass

Alan

--- On Sat, 4/30/11, Christine Baker <christine@bayhouse.com> wrote:

From: Christine Baker <christine@bayhouse.com>
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 30, 2011, 1:04 PM

Be careful with hay in gardens. Alfalfa is ok (until it's all GM) because they can't spray it with herbicides as the alfalfa would die too. These herbicides don't break down for 7 years or so and I just got some free straw that's been sitting outside for many years, but I'm still testing it first before using it in the garden:

http://highdesertpermaculture.org/blog/2010/11/26/test-results-herbicides-in-our-straw-our-horse-manure-is-ok/

Christine

At 09:45 AM 4/30/2011, you wrote:

That is okay,
About all I put into my soil is leaves.
Once in a while a little organic fertilizer.
Sometimes hay that is well broken down after using it for mulch for a couple years.

Alan

--- On Sat, 4/30/11, Christine Baker <christine@bayhouse.com> wrote:

From: Christine Baker <christine@bayhouse.com>

Subject: Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com

Date: Saturday, April 30, 2011, 12:37 PM

Vermiculite often contains asbestos. They do sell horticultural vermiculite for gardening they claim to be asbestos free, but I read that it's dangerous for the people who work in the mines and I don't use it anymore.

They say perlite is ok. We use rice hulls for seedling soil now, but don't know how that would work in papercrete.

http://www.hummert.com/ProductDetail.aspx?Page=ProductSearchList.aspx&ID=9062&Text=rice%20hulls

It really IS compressed and goes a long way.

Christine

At 06:11 AM 4/30/2011, you wrote:

Thanks, Lee.

Next time I go to Missouri I will drop by there and pick up several bags of perlite.

Their Earth City location is right on the way.

Alan in Michigan

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[papercreters] vermiculite

the vermiculite came from one mine that grace chemical had several years ago that contained asbestes.supposed to be clean now unless some very old inventory from years ago? vermiculite does absorb moisture, which perlite is more water resisitant, as the paper already absorbs plenty of moisture. Several places in Chicago make and sell Perlite .

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Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

I usually get my perlite and vermiculite from a farm supply store, or the Lowes hardware chain

On Apr 30, 2011, at 8:11 AM, Alan <rustaholic777@yahoo.com> wrote:

Thanks, Lee.

Next time I go to Missouri I will drop by there and pick up several bags of perlite.

Their Earth City location is right on the way.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 4/29/11, Lee Coates <hostas@classicnet.net> wrote:

From: Lee Coates <hostas@classicnet.net>
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 11:44 PM

I purchase it from http://www.hummert.com/ProductDetail.aspx?Page=ProductSearchList.aspx&ID=9075&Text=perlite

We use it in both our papercrete containers and potting mixes. I have been meaning to try some vermiculite in my mix also.

Lee

Hi Lee,

Where do you buy your perlite?

Alan in Michigan

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Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

Be careful with hay in gardens. Alfalfa is ok (until it's all GM) because they can't spray it with herbicides as the alfalfa would die too. These herbicides don't break down for 7 years or so and I just got some free straw that's been sitting outside for many years, but I'm still testing it first before using it in the garden:

http://highdesertpermaculture.org/blog/2010/11/26/test-results-herbicides-in-our-straw-our-horse-manure-is-ok/

Christine

At 09:45 AM 4/30/2011, you wrote:

That is okay,
About all I put into my soil is leaves.
Once in a while a little organic fertilizer.
Sometimes hay that is well broken down after using it for mulch for a couple years.

Alan

--- On Sat, 4/30/11, Christine Baker <christine@bayhouse.com> wrote:

From: Christine Baker <christine@bayhouse.com>

Subject: Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com

Date: Saturday, April 30, 2011, 12:37 PM

Vermiculite often contains asbestos. They do sell horticultural vermiculite for gardening they claim to be asbestos free, but I read that it's dangerous for the people who work in the mines and I don't use it anymore.

They say perlite is ok. We use rice hulls for seedling soil now, but don't know how that would work in papercrete.

http://www.hummert.com/ProductDetail.aspx?Page=ProductSearchList.aspx&ID=9062&Text=rice%20hulls

It really IS compressed and goes a long way.

Christine

At 06:11 AM 4/30/2011, you wrote:

Thanks, Lee.

Next time I go to Missouri I will drop by there and pick up several bags of perlite.

Their Earth City location is right on the way.

Alan in Michigan

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Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

That is okay,

About all I put into my soil is leaves.

Once in a while a little organic fertilizer.

Sometimes hay that is well broken down after using it for mulch for a couple years.

Alan

--- On Sat, 4/30/11, Christine Baker <christine@bayhouse.com> wrote:

From: Christine Baker <christine@bayhouse.com>
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 30, 2011, 12:37 PM

Vermiculite often contains asbestos. They do sell horticultural vermiculite for gardening they claim to be asbestos free, but I read that it's dangerous for the people who work in the mines and I don't use it anymore.

They say perlite is ok. We use rice hulls for seedling soil now, but don't know how that would work in papercrete.

http://www.hummert.com/ProductDetail.aspx?Page=ProductSearchList.aspx&ID=9062&Text=rice%20hulls

It really IS compressed and goes a long way.

Christine

At 06:11 AM 4/30/2011, you wrote:

Thanks, Lee.
Next time I go to Missouri I will drop by there and pick up several bags of perlite.
Their Earth City location is right on the way.
Alan in Michigan

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RE: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

Rice hull fly ash makes a great pozelon.

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From: papercreters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:papercreters@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Baker
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 8:37 AM
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

Vermiculite often contains asbestos. They do sell horticultural vermiculite for gardening they claim to be asbestos free, but I read that it's dangerous for the people who work in the mines and I don't use it anymore.

They say perlite is ok. We use rice hulls for seedling soil now, but don't know how that would work in papercrete.

http://www.hummert.com/ProductDetail.aspx?Page=ProductSearchList.aspx&ID=9062&Text=rice%20hulls

It really IS compressed and goes a long way.

Christine

At 06:11 AM 4/30/2011, you wrote:

Thanks, Lee.
Next time I go to Missouri I will drop by there and pick up several bags of perlite.
Their Earth City location is right on the way.
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 4/29/11, Lee Coates <hostas@classicnet.net> wrote:

From: Lee Coates <hostas@classicnet.net>

Subject: Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 11:44 PM

I purchase it from http://www.hummert.com/ProductDetail.aspx?Page=ProductSearchList.aspx&ID=9075&Text=perlite

We use it in both our papercrete containers and potting mixes. I have been meaning to try some vermiculite in my mix also.

Lee

Hi Lee,

Where do you buy your perlite?

Alan in Michigan

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Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

Thanks, Lee.
Next time I go to Missouri I will drop by there and pick up several bags of perlite.
Their Earth City location is right on the way.
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 4/29/11, Lee Coates <hostas@classicnet.net> wrote:

From: Lee Coates <hostas@classicnet.net>
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 11:44 PM

I purchase it from http://www.hummert.com/ProductDetail.aspx?Page=ProductSearchList.aspx&ID=9075&Text=perlite

We use it in both our papercrete containers and potting mixes. I have been meaning to try some vermiculite in my mix also.

Lee

Hi Lee,
Where do you buy your perlite?
Alan in Michigan

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Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

Thanks, Lee.

Next time I go to Missouri I will drop by there and pick up several bags of perlite.

Their Earth City location is right on the way.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 4/29/11, Lee Coates <hostas@classicnet.net> wrote:

From: Lee Coates <hostas@classicnet.net>
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 11:44 PM

I purchase it from http://www.hummert.com/ProductDetail.aspx?Page=ProductSearchList.aspx&ID=9075&Text=perlite

We use it in both our papercrete containers and potting mixes. I have been meaning to try some vermiculite in my mix also.

Lee

Hi Lee,

Where do you buy your perlite?

Alan in Michigan

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Friday, April 29, 2011

Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

I thought that vermiculite retained water??? I bought some for a garden to help retain moisture. Perhaps I am wrong. Wondering if this would be good to use in papercrete?? Just doing some musing here:)

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Lee Coates <hostas@classicnet.net> wrote:

I purchase it from http://www.hummert.com/ProductDetail.aspx?Page=ProductSearchList.aspx&ID=9075&Text=perlite

We use it in both our papercrete containers and potting mixes. I have been meaning to try some vermiculite in my mix also.

Lee

Hi Lee,

Where do you buy your perlite?

Alan in Michigan

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Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

I purchase it from http://www.hummert.com/ProductDetail.aspx?Page=ProductSearchList.aspx&ID=9075&Text=perlite

We use it in both our papercrete containers and potting mixes. I have been meaning to try some vermiculite in my mix also.

Lee

Hi Lee,

Where do you buy your perlite?

Alan in Michigan

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Re: [papercreters] Re: Everybody working hard?

Yup, 3-2-1 Sand-Stone-Portland.

That is what I feed my cement mixer.

That is when someone else isn't borrowing it like now.

Alan

--- On Fri, 4/29/11, countryatheartok <criswells.ok@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: countryatheartok <criswells.ok@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Everybody working hard?
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 8:22 PM

Welcome Lee, I read your PDF and quoting from you PDF, "The ingredients are not set in stone but I have found a 3 parts paper, 2 parts portland, and 1 part filler to work extremely well." And that Is my mixture as well, it's the mixture for regular concrete also. No need to reinvent the wheel.

Thanks for the info, I found it very informative.

Bob The Builder

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Lee Coates" <hostas@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> My name is Lee and I'm a lurker mostly. My papercrete experience is a little
> different than most of you. I make papercrete plant containers. I started
> playing with papercrete about four years ago and refined a few recipes I
> gathered on the internet into what I use now. You can find the instructions
> for my mix at http://www.ozarklandscapes.com/papercrete.pdf
>
> I have been teaching papercrete classes for the last two years and that have
> been a big hit with garden clubs, master gardeners, plant societies etc.
>
> You can see a few pictures at http://ozarklandscapes.com/blog/
>
> Happy Mudding...
> Lee
>

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Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

Hi Lee,

Where do you buy your perlite?

Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 4/29/11, Lee Coates <hostas@classicnet.net> wrote:

From: Lee Coates <hostas@classicnet.net>
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 12:28 PM

Hello,
My name is Lee and I'm a lurker mostly. My papercrete experience is a little
different than most of you. I make papercrete plant containers. I started
playing with papercrete about four years ago and refined a few recipes I
gathered on the internet into what I use now. You can find the instructions
for my mix at http://www.ozarklandscapes.com/papercrete.pdf

I have been teaching papercrete classes for the last two years and that have
been a big hit with garden clubs, master gardeners, plant societies etc.

You can see a few pictures at http://ozarklandscapes.com/blog/

Happy Mudding...
Lee

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[papercreters] Thinking ahead to next winter

With fuel prices starting to soar again, I'm thinking, although I don't live off grid, maybe I should be thinking of alternative ways in case things start to go really bad. I've also thought there has to be a better way to heat and cook than with Gas or Electricity. Here are a couple of sites I found very interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmYaIrHRMLM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGhYcnq7HfQ

I'm thinking of old ways to fuel a gasoline or diesel engine or a generator.

Bob the builder

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[papercreters] Re: Everybody working hard?

Welcome Lee, I read your PDF and quoting from you PDF, "The ingredients are not set in stone but I have found a 3 parts paper, 2 parts portland, and 1 part filler to work extremely well." And that Is my mixture as well, it's the mixture for regular concrete also. No need to reinvent the wheel.

Thanks for the info, I found it very informative.

Bob The Builder

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "Lee Coates" <hostas@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> My name is Lee and I'm a lurker mostly. My papercrete experience is a little
> different than most of you. I make papercrete plant containers. I started
> playing with papercrete about four years ago and refined a few recipes I
> gathered on the internet into what I use now. You can find the instructions
> for my mix at http://www.ozarklandscapes.com/papercrete.pdf
>
> I have been teaching papercrete classes for the last two years and that have
> been a big hit with garden clubs, master gardeners, plant societies etc.
>
> You can see a few pictures at http://ozarklandscapes.com/blog/
>
> Happy Mudding...
> Lee
>

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Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

Hello,
My name is Lee and I'm a lurker mostly. My papercrete experience is a little
different than most of you. I make papercrete plant containers. I started
playing with papercrete about four years ago and refined a few recipes I
gathered on the internet into what I use now. You can find the instructions
for my mix at http://www.ozarklandscapes.com/papercrete.pdf

I have been teaching papercrete classes for the last two years and that have
been a big hit with garden clubs, master gardeners, plant societies etc.

You can see a few pictures at http://ozarklandscapes.com/blog/

Happy Mudding...
Lee

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RE: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

Hi Pam, I'm sorry but I must have deleted your email that had more info about what you were doing with papercrete. Making birdhouses? How do you do it? How are they coming out? Do you have any pictures? I would say that if the papercrete is holding up well enough to make a birdhouse that doesn't fall apart then you must be doing something right. Oh I just happened to think that I have a problem with my chickens eating papercrete. I used some old blocks I had as a little raised bed wall for my tomato plants and the chickens just about devoured it. So I hope the birds are smart enough to not eat their houses.

What formula have you been using for your papercrete and how have you been mixing it? What ages are your kids? I think it's great that they want to do this with you. I remember when mine were little. My son, then about 4 and I made adobe blocks and left them to set up. The next day we saw that they had been trampled on by dogs and ruined. I have had some dog damage to papercrete but not much. Sometimes they step into it but they jump right out.

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To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
From: honeyland12@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:17:32 -0700
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

I just wished I new wht I was doin I have my kids makin birdhouses outta PC but not sure if I made it right or not, plz help?

From: countryatheartok <criswells.ok@sbcglobal.net>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, April 27, 2011 2:49:21 PM
Subject: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

I guess since the weather has started to warm, everybody is out mixing PC? LOL ;-)

I plan to start again soon, just waiting for more sustained warmer weather, we've had some very warm days up in the high 80's but the next day it will be back down in the 60's.

I getting itchy to get back at it.

BTB

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RE: [papercreters] Re: Everybody working hard?

I envy you for your shredded paper. I usually use cardboard as it is the easiest for me to get, but it is more work because it has to be soaked first. I did get a good amount of shredded paper from the local high school and the courthouse. I used it in my papercrete plaster and it worked out very well. I will save the rest of it for special things and use cardboard for floors and exterior plaster.

Regarding your getting started with papercrete I say just do it! I haven't used a power washer myself but would certainly try it if I had one. Spaceman knows all about them and is happy to share info. If you can't get the washer then try a 5 gallon bucket and a mixing paddle on a drill (not a cordless though. They are not powerful enough). If you are using shredded paper and you let it soak in water for a while it will mix very easily no matter what method you use. If you are able to hook up with someone who has access to a large mixer you can mix up all of your paper with water (no cement added), pour it into forms and take smaller quantities later to mix with cement. That's what I am doing for my plaster. That way I am not obligated to use an entire mixer load at one time.

Do I remember correctly that some have used a cement mixer or mortar mixer when using shredded paper? Or was that for use with hammer milled paper, like that cellulose insulation you can buy?

"There are none happy in the world but being who enjoy freely a vast horizon." Damodora

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From: normmyers@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:20:13 +0000
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Everybody working hard?

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Joy Pickens <lilyklink@...> wrote:
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> I have been collecting up BIG bags of shredded paper form the local
> college...and thinking about PAPERCRETING. I have never done it before. How do I
> push myself over the edge and actually START???!! I am thinkingÂ I will borrow my
> son's power washer...
>
> I wish I had a nearby friend who was interested in the same (crazy) stuff that I
> am interested in. I feel like a round peg trying to fit in a square hole!!
>
> Joy in OK

Joy,
Where are you in Oklahoma? I'm in Tecumseh and am hoping to get started in mid May. Already have a large stash of cardboard, newspaper, and shredded paper. I'm hoping to complete a large well house and 3 or 4 dog shelters this year.

Norman

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[papercreters] Re: Everybody working hard?

Joy,
Where are you in Oklahoma? I'm in Tecumseh and am hoping to get started in mid May. Already have a large stash of cardboard, newspaper, and shredded paper. I'm hoping to complete a large well house and 3 or 4 dog shelters this year.

Norman

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Thursday, April 28, 2011

Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

I just wished I new wht I was doin I have my kids makin birdhouses outta PC but not sure if I made it right or not, plz help?

From: countryatheartok <criswells.ok@sbcglobal.net>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, April 27, 2011 2:49:21 PM
Subject: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

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Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

Hello my name is Pam glad to be emailing u, I am so new here and with papercrete that your my first person to email about papercrete, I hope u dont mind. I am into everything, Cob,Adobe, papercrete, and Cordwood, and wht ever else there is to work with, I'm making a Cob oven am just about ready to start on it, Ive just got so many question I hope u don't mind that I ask u,

Thanks
Pam

From: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@hotmail.com>
To: papercreters papercreters <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, April 27, 2011 6:02:30 PM
Subject: RE: [papercreters] Everybody working hard? [5 Attachments]

I've been doing some interior papercrete plaster on my little bldg #2. First I built out and sculpted around the windows with a cob mix then went over it with plaster made with about 1 part mulched paper and 1 part a mix of clay soil and sand. I used a piece of fabric to hold the cob in place.

I also got up on the roof and put another layer up there. I had forgotten in the fall that I intended to do another course at the back of the roof. Then a few weeks ago I noticed that I could see sunlight coming through a big crack. I had someone here helping me in the fall and we were sort of burned out after 2 weeks of doing the roof among other things so we left it where it was. The way I did the roof was to first put the vigas then lay some of that reed matting over it. When I got to doing the papercrete roof the combination of a thin layer of pc and the reed matting interfering with the bond made a weak spot where a long crack developed. We had no precipitation for many months so nothing came in. Now it's all fixed but I think I will continue to build up the roof.

"There are none happy in the world but being who enjoy freely a vast horizon." Damodora

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From: janoahsh@alaska.net
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:02:19 -0800
Subject: RE: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

Planting the greenhouse and working on the boats

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Saturday, April 30, 2011

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Re: [papercreters] Everybody working hard?

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