Saturday, November 30, 2013

[papercreters] highest R values of paperrete



   I've read on Living in Paper they have tested 3.01 per inch which is a mix that had sand in it. I'm thinking that would be the average range but thought I might ask if 3.5R or such is possible??? 


Jackie    

AIR entrainment is what will give the R value,sand and heavy additives will just offer mass..there is a trade off of  2' thick clay/adobe wall that soaks up sun, vs a 40" straw bale that keeps warmth in and cold out at R 50 both opposites.

the best of both is a fluffy papercrete very thick, but lightweight,where as  water evaporates air pockets remain.

in the cement/concrete world adding the  flyash and other air entrainment liquids ( to cause bubblers) lighten the cement and insulate better, again they seek the best of both.

i'd research how the cement/concrete makers do this for real info, as the PC world is all individual experiments without the   serious, rigorous testing. 

I've seen several articles on this type of insulating research online.
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Charmaine

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Friday, November 29, 2013

[papercreters] highest levels of R values?



Hello I'm wondering if anyone here knows what is the highest level of R value one might get with papercrete per inch? I've read on Living in Paper they have tested  3.01 per inch which is a mix that had sand in it. I'm thinking that would be the average range but thought I might ask if 3.5R or such is possible???

 

Jackie



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Saturday, November 23, 2013

RE: RE: Re: [papercreters] RE: screened wood ash added with cement?



Hmm thanks for the imput!!! Yes I agree about testing this idea about the wood ash...if anyone else knows about tests or trials that have been done with wood ash mixed with cement power please let me know but I do plan to trial the idea. I'm thinking to build a above ground papercrete root cellar.

 

Jackie 



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RE: Re: [papercreters] RE: screened wood ash added with cement?



The additive that is put in papercrete to replace part of the cement is fly ash.  It is so fine that it acts as a pozallan - an additive to cement that makes the cement more pliable and easier to spread.  The main reason is to reduce costs.


<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozzolan>


<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_ash>


I think we are confusing two groups of very different waste products.  Both clinker and fly ash are byproducts of coal combustion, but there the similarity ends.  Clinker ranges in size from that of a garden pea to chunks two feet long or more.  Fly ash is so small that it flies up the smokestack.  I believe the clinker acts like an aggregate in the usual cinder block.  The fly ash actually acts as a binder, like cement but not as strong.  The lucky happenstance is that up to 50% of the cement in a concrete mix can be replaced by fly ash without reducing the strength of the concrete.  While cement is inexpensive, fly ash is even cheaper.


Wood ash and rice hull ash are both the result of combustion of organic material.  Rice hulls are unique chemically and physically.  So we cannot assume the wood ash will have similar properties to rice hull ash.


You have an idea that is worth testing.  I believe that you cannot assume wood ash will have equal proprieties to rice hull ash.   I feel you should test and compare wood ash modified papercrete to "normal" papercrete and urge you not to use it for buildings for humans until you have tested it. 


Bobby



  



---In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, <rustaholic777@...> wrote:

Cinder Block was properly called cinder block.
For example, We used to have a coal fired power plant here in town so they had coal cinders. The Concrete Service is the company here that has been making blocks for a very long time. Back when they had free coal cinders they also made a line of lighter Cinder Blocks. They are a much darker gray color and weigh less. Anyone that looks at them should know the difference. Still way too many people even in books and on television are calling cement blocks by the wrong name.
Alan in Michigan



From: "domemancpf@..." <domemancpf@...>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 3:16 PM
Subject: [papercreters] RE: screened wood ash added with cement?



Hi Jackie !
Being old school cement block were called cinder block so i assume a good portion or the block was made from cinders= ash . Also ash is very alkaline like lime so chemically similar too . Best way is to try a small batch a see for yourself u may be pleasantly surprised ! Conrad


---In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, <diggingfortreasure@...> wrote:

Here is another question I have about possibly cutting down on cement powered. I've read that some people add coal ash with the cement powered up to 1/3 without harm. Has anyone ever heard or tried using screened wood ash in the same way?? Does anyone think this could be possible without harming or weakening the papercrete???
 
Jackie
 






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RE: [papercreters] Squirrels and Papercete! Who knew?



Somewhere in my photo archives (fancy name for bunch of unsorted pics) I have one of an extensive packrat house made of papercrete. Actually I have several smart packrats. One has a huge nest in my pile of blocks and another has a house he has designed himself down in the arroyo made out of scraps..


To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
From: slurryguy@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 08:16:56 -0800
Subject: [papercreters] Squirrels and Papercete! Who knew?

 
Look!  It's a Squirrel!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWTcRsqlKIg


Don't ask me questions about the video, I don't have any answers to give you.  I'm simply the guy that found the video on YouTube and shared it here.

I figure if nothing else, the video is good for a laugh.  It had me alternately both scratching my head in confusion and laughing.

My guess is that the ornament in the yard must be made from papercrete,  but I'm just guessing.

I think the squirrel fits right in as a Papercreter.  It helps to be a little NUTZ right?  I know it works for me.

Enjoy.  





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[papercreters] Squirrels and Papercete! Who knew?



Look!  It's a Squirrel!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWTcRsqlKIg


Don't ask me questions about the video, I don't have any answers to give you.  I'm simply the guy that found the video on YouTube and shared it here.

I figure if nothing else, the video is good for a laugh.  It had me alternately both scratching my head in confusion and laughing.

My guess is that the ornament in the yard must be made from papercrete,  but I'm just guessing.

I think the squirrel fits right in as a Papercreter.  It helps to be a little NUTZ right?  I know it works for me.

Enjoy.  




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Friday, November 22, 2013

Re: [papercreters] RE: screened wood ash added with cement?



Cinder Block was properly called cinder block.
For example, We used to have a coal fired power plant here in town so they had coal cinders. The Concrete Service is the company here that has been making blocks for a very long time. Back when they had free coal cinders they also made a line of lighter Cinder Blocks. They are a much darker gray color and weigh less. Anyone that looks at them should know the difference. Still way too many people even in books and on television are calling cement blocks by the wrong name.
Alan in Michigan



From: "domemancpf@yahoo.com" <domemancpf@yahoo.com>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 3:16 PM
Subject: [papercreters] RE: screened wood ash added with cement?



Hi Jackie !
Being old school cement block were called cinder block so i assume a good portion or the block was made from cinders= ash . Also ash is very alkaline like lime so chemically similar too . Best way is to try a small batch a see for yourself u may be pleasantly surprised ! Conrad


---In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, <diggingfortreasure@...> wrote:

Here is another question I have about possibly cutting down on cement powered. I've read that some people add coal ash with the cement powered up to 1/3 without harm. Has anyone ever heard or tried using screened wood ash in the same way?? Does anyone think this could be possible without harming or weakening the papercrete???
 
Jackie
 






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