Thursday, January 21, 2010

[papercreters] Just a little tidbit of information



I'm one of the people in this group that uses a 14 page paper shredder to do my shredding with. It really great to be able to shred when the weather outside is wet or cold. I've been shredding every tidbit of paper or cardboard I can get my hands on. I even shred all my containers like cracker boxes, jello boxes, maccoronin boxes, tooth paste boxes......etc, paper towel and toliet paper rollers. If it's made from paper I shred it. I'm thinking all these hard paper products will add to the strength of my papercrete. I've also been shreding those better quality paper plates (I wash them after use and when dry I shred them, they are extremely tough) Would like to know if anyone else has though of using this hodge podge of  recyclable goods.

BTB



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[papercreters] Terrific Book

I had forgotten what a terrific resource Gordon Solberg's book was, especially for new people to the forum. Some of the claims made in it about time needed to complete a project seems excessively optimistic in the extreme, but it is nonethelass worth reading. "Building with Papercrete and Paper Adobe" by Gordon Solberg.
Tina in Colorado

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Re: [papercreters] Experiment with EPS

Mike, John and I are working to make the recipe database  (www.papercreters.org) accomodate all manner of variables in material, mixing devices and units. All of the things you've mentioned are in our list - that's one of the reasons it is taking us sooo long!
Tina, Mike and John in Colorado


From: MMMMall <MMMmall@comcast.net>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 3:21:43 PM
Subject: RE: [papercreters] Experiment with EPS

 

I have also been lurking and learning and have not done much yet but did want to caution anyone breaking up styrofoam, etc, that it will fly everywhere unless you have a way to contain it.  I was adding some to twigs and leaves in my shredder and we are still trying to find all the places it went. 
 
I also hope we will find a common way to measure the recipes.  Mostly they are confusing and sometimes too daunting for us newbies.  I'm still in the area of cups and gallons.  They can always be multiplied for the larger projects.  A barrel is 55 gallons, wet or dry.  It would be nice if that was specified also.  Maybe even a ratio, whole or shredded, cubic feet, 2/1/1, etc.  Just an idea and I am willing to work with someone to standardize recipes but it would have to be someone that knows a whole lot more about papercrete than I do so far.
 
Otherwise, great group!
 
Marilyn in Colorado
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RE: [papercreters] A papercrete shed at my school



Good for you Annalise! I had an email recently from a teacher in Germany who has been working on a small papercrete building with his students. He sent me some pics which I posted on my blog (www.papercretebyjudith.come/blog). Take a look and I will try to find and post more of his info on this board. Maybe not today though since I have to go to town.

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From: n2art25@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:58:10 +0000
Subject: [papercreters] A papercrete shed at my school

 
I am sooo excited. I have been given the green light to build a shed using recycled materials at my school. It's a great way to introduce my students to the necesity of recycling and the use of alternative building materials. I can just see the beautiful sculptural possibilities on the surface. I also have access to all of the obselete textbooks which will more than be enough to make the PC blocks. I can start shredding paper and bagging then when weather gets better, we can start making blocks. I am probably looking at plastering when we return to school next year. I am hoping to move this into our community little by little. Can't wait!

Annalis




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[papercreters] A papercrete shed at my school

I am sooo excited. I have been given the green light to build a shed using recycled materials at my school. It's a great way to introduce my students to the necesity of recycling and the use of alternative building materials. I can just see the beautiful sculptural possibilities on the surface. I also have access to all of the obselete textbooks which will more than be enough to make the PC blocks. I can start shredding paper and bagging then when weather gets better, we can start making blocks. I am probably looking at plastering when we return to school next year. I am hoping to move this into our community little by little. Can't wait!

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Wednesday, January 20, 2010

RE: [papercreters] Cement & Concrete FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) Portland Cement Association (PCA)



Wonderful information. I clipped a couple of paragraphs that reminded me Slurryguy's attempts to test papercrete. What I'm wondering (and it's probably a very simpe thing) is how do you measure the psi? I can see putting a cylinder of cured papercrete into a jack or something and increasing pressure until it fails ..... but how do you measure how much pressure was applied? (With this question I risk offending those who believe we are constantly reinventing the wheel here. I disagree with that opinion. I feel we are al at different maturity levels when it comes to papercrete and hsoud address elementary issues as well as more advanced ones.)

Compressive strength is tested by pouring cylinders of fresh concrete and measuring the force needed to break the concrete cylinders at proscribed intervals as they harden. According to Building Code Requirements for Reinforced Concrete (ACI 318), as long as no single test is more than 500 psi below the design strength and the average of three consecutive tests equals or exceed the design strength then the concrete is acceptable. If the strength tests don't meet these criteria, steps must be taken to raise the average.

Concrete hardens and gains strength as it hydrates. The hydration process continues over a long period of time. It happens rapidly at first and slows down as time goes by. To measure the ultimate strength of concrete would require a wait of several years. This would be impractical, so a time period of 28 days was selected by specification writing authorities as the age that all concrete should be tested. At this age, a substantial percentage of the hydration has taken place.



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To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
From: valledecalle@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:46:21 -0800
Subject: [papercreters] Cement & Concrete FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) Portland Cement Association (PCA) [1 Attachment]

 
[Attachment(s) from calle vallede included below]

So much to learn and so little time.
For more info on the different kinds of Porland Cement and other interesting stuff.  Didn't know that they mixed air into some of it because of freezing and thawing.
 
Please read the part about too much water.
 
With all the new posts, and all the new suggestions and materials it is mind blowing what is available for our use.
Calle




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[papercreters] Knowledge is power when it comes to PCN thanks Judith



Thanks Judith,

Having never worked with concrete or Terra Tile that Owen Geiger talks about for floors, trying to get a feeling for qhat will work and what will not.
Calle


From: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:49:25 -0700
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Subject: RE: [papercreters] 01SeptemberGypsumFloors

 

Thanks Valle. I can't say that it applies exactly but I appreciate the info. I remember we put one of those underlayments in our house in Santa Fe and put the pex in it for radiant heat. I will save this article for future reference.

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To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
From: valledecalle@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:35:26 -0800
Subject: [papercreters] 01SeptemberGypsumFloors [1 Attachment]

 
[Attachment(s) from calle vallede included below]

Hi,  After Judith started the discussion on her 4 tons of gypsum I went on line to check some things out. There are tons of studies and other sites to learn from.  I thought some of them might be worth sharing for what they are worth.
 
Some of it might get some of those who have actually worked with PC some ideas or more research.
 

 
Don't know if this applies
 
Calle




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