Hi joined the group today having googled my way through information on papercreting.
I am looking at utilising my domestic waste output (as a new years resolution) I live in the UK and want to reduce the number of large recycle bins outside my house. I want to absorb all waste aside from garden and food waste.
I intend to make papercrete blocks. However this blocks will be thicker than usual blocks as i want to use cans and bottles (glass and plastic) inside. The cans and bottles will absorb waste such a wrappings, packaging. These will then be earth rammed with ssoil/sand from the garden to provide bulk and strength.
The paper and cardboard will then be used to from a papercrete shell aroung the plastic bottles/metal cans. The advantages of this method are that it will
a)utilise all of my non organic doemestic waste (more recycled than paper
b) offset the amount of papercrete needed and therefore cement required
I have several questions which i hope some of you guys may be able to help me with
1) I intend to build a standard block What is the minium thickness i could get away with for strength.
The standard concrete block in UK is 440mm wide, 210mm high and has a thickness of 100mm. This will absorb all pet botttles, cans, soft drinks/beers cans which take up 60mm allowing 20mm thickness of papercrete. Is 20mm sufficient or will the blocks ned to be thicker than 100mm.
2) having analysed my waste i have more cardboard than paper. Is is possible to have a mix of say 60% cardboard, 40% paper?
3) i have a dedicated wheelie bin for my pulp. Is it best to add water first allowing paper to pulp over time and absorb water or just do the pulping process in one go.
4) It is the middle of winter now. How long will it take for blocks to dry inside a cold non heated garage. I intend to start building in March when I have a supply of blocks, weather and daylight on my side, will 2 months drying be sufficient?
5) I want a uniformed block with straight edges on all sides. looking at pictures of blocks from molds they look a bit wavy. has any of you guys tried cutting papercrete? I would prefer a benchsaw, not handheld as i want a perfect straight cut. Can anyone recommend an appropriate one.
6) The finish, ideally a smooth tidy finish as this will be on show. When molding the blocks is is wise to apply a primer, of some sort to the finished side so that it comes out of the mold smooth.
Apologies for my many questions, but i am taking this project quite seriously. In return if any of you guys needs help or advice in reccling tyres and building with earth rammed tyres i could be you man. i have worked with tyres since 2009 and dug an underground earthship in my garden. Tyres are a great building tool if you have space but are simply too big and rounded to create a finsish without lots of rendering. It is also very labour intensive ramming a tyre properly.
I got into papercrete from this perspective and can offer lots of advice. Alas my mrs (not a big fan of recycling has banned me from tyres, so I have had to come up with something else.
I appreciate anyones input on my questions as it will hopefully save me many weeks in experimenting.
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Wednesday, January 9, 2013
[papercreters] I had a dream ... but help need help off established papercreters
[papercreters] Low Rent Papercrete Sprayer
I stumbled across this blog post.
http://papercreteparadise.blogspot.com/2012/08/a-low-rent-mortar-sprayer.html
I'm not suggesting it would be a practical tool to spray tons and tons of papercrete quickly, but if someone is looking for a quick sprayer for a small project. This might be something to think about.
Gotta love the MacGyver feel to the design.
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Monday, January 7, 2013
[papercreters] Re: Tow Mixer Gas Milage Competition
He does exactly what you ask for and makes sure you are happy?
I'm glad.
Everyone should spend some quality time with their pet dog. ;)
--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Garth & Kim Travis wrote:
>
> Greetings,
> I wish! I hire the dozer like everyone else. But, I do have a really
> good guy that does my work. He does exactly what I ask for and makes
> sure I am happy.
>
> Bright Blessings,
> Garth & Kim Travis
> www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
> Bedias, Texas
>
> On 1/6/2013 7:04 AM, JayH wrote:
> > You own your own dozer?
> >
> > I have major tool envy!
> >
>
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Sunday, January 6, 2013
Re: [papercreters] Re: Tow Mixer Gas Milage Competition
Greetings,
I wish! I hire the dozer like everyone else. But, I do have a really
good guy that does my work. He does exactly what I ask for and makes
sure I am happy.
Bright Blessings,
Garth & Kim Travis
www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
Bedias, Texas
On 1/6/2013 7:04 AM, JayH wrote:
> You own your own dozer?
>
> I have major tool envy!
>
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[papercreters] Re: Tow Mixer Gas Milage Competition
You own your own dozer?
I have major tool envy!
--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Garth & Kim Travis wrote:
>
> Greetings,
> With deep freezers, the amount of food/stuff stored in them makes a huge
> difference. An empty freezer will use up to five times as much power.
> A good reason to keep empty milk jugs full of ice in them, when they get
> low.
>
> Also, the ambient temperature of where they are stored. My new, energy
> saver freezer is twice the size of my old one, and gets better economy.
> This was tested with both full, in the same temperatures. Also, the
> new one has four baskets, so it is super easy to find stuff in. I can
> get to the bottom layer by removing baskets.
>
> We use a 5 horse electric for our mixer. I know once upon a time there
> were pictures of my system on the internet, but that was a decade ago.
> Right now, my mixer is in pieces in my barn. If it ever stops raining
> long enough, I will get the dozer in and have my logs delivered. Then I
> can start doing papercrete again. Since my barn is now half full of
> paper, it will be nice to get it cleared out.
>
> I will post pictures as we go.
>
> Bright Blessings,
> Garth & Kim Travis
> www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
> Bedias, Texas
>
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Re: [papercreters] Re: Tow Mixer Gas Milage Competition
Greetings,
With deep freezers, the amount of food/stuff stored in them makes a huge
difference. An empty freezer will use up to five times as much power.
A good reason to keep empty milk jugs full of ice in them, when they get
low.
Also, the ambient temperature of where they are stored. My new, energy
saver freezer is twice the size of my old one, and gets better economy.
This was tested with both full, in the same temperatures. Also, the
new one has four baskets, so it is super easy to find stuff in. I can
get to the bottom layer by removing baskets.
We use a 5 horse electric for our mixer. I know once upon a time there
were pictures of my system on the internet, but that was a decade ago.
Right now, my mixer is in pieces in my barn. If it ever stops raining
long enough, I will get the dozer in and have my logs delivered. Then I
can start doing papercrete again. Since my barn is now half full of
paper, it will be nice to get it cleared out.
I will post pictures as we go.
Bright Blessings,
Garth & Kim Travis
www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
Bedias, Texas
On 1/6/2013 6:42 AM, Alan wrote:
> I totally agree that a Kill-A-Watt device is a great investment.
> I plugged my fridge into mine and it was using an X amount to run it for
> a week.
> I do not remember the numbers but after cleaning off the coils which did
> not look bad at all I reset the Kill-A-Watt and let it run exactly the
> same amount of time.
> It used X minus 30%.
> It is very important to blow off or vacuum the coils at least once per year.
> I also checked my 1940s deep freezer.
> I have never cleaned the coils and still it does a great job and uses
> less electricity than the very best energy star unit you can buy now.
> A guy in another group that I belong to bought one and posted his results.
> Then I did mine.
> My freezer is twice the size and it used half the electricity.
> Shop around for a good price.
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- On *Sun, 1/6/13, JayH /<slurryguy@yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: JayH <slurryguy@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [papercreters] Re: Tow Mixer Gas Milage Competition
> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 6, 2013, 7:11 AM
>
> All this is fine and dandy, but it doesn't change the FUN factor.
>
> The Tow Mixer Gas Milage Competition is mostly for fun.
>
> Yes, I think we can learn a few things in the process too.
>
> I'm more than happy to open up the concept to other energy sources,
> each in their own category. However, most people don't have a
> watt-hour meter. Anyone that does have a "Kill-A-Watt" or other
> similar watt-hour meter is encouraged to measure their electric
> mixer in operation and post their results as well. FYI, those
> Kill-A-Watt type meters can pay for themselves very quickly if you
> use them to track down all the phantom loads burning electricity in
> your home needlessly.
>
> For that matter, I'd love to see Clarissa post about how much
> papercrete her draft horses can mix per bucket of oats or bale of
> hay! That would be... AWESOME!
>
> Bottom line, I think it will be fun to see how much energy each
> papercreter uses to mix up papercrete. If we happen to learn some
> new things to help each other become better at doing it... all the
> better.
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> <http://us.mc1261.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=papercreters@yahoogroups.com>,
> josef mc wrote:
> >
> > a little math will show there are more efficient ways to make
> pulp than
> > pulling it behind a car. however i think the convenience of a tow
> behind
> > mixer outweighs the gas savings. (dump out into forms instead of
> lifting
> > heavy pulp)
> >
> > Gasoline contains about 36600 Wh/US gal.
> > the 5hp Baldor motor mixer shown in this post:
> >
> > http://tucson.craigslist.org/tls/3520388633.html
> >
> > 5 hp = 746 watt (1 hp) x 5= 3730 watt to operate for one hour =
> 3730 wh
> > with a gasoline engine being approx 35% efficient at best this
> means i
> > could run this electric 5 hp motor for 3,5 hours on one gallon
> of fuel.
> >
> > towing a trailer might add one gallon of fuel to the regular
> usage of the
> > car. needles to say that the gas driving the car surely outweighs the
> > additional fuel, so unless you would have driven the car anyhow.
> you are
> > wasting a lot of gas. however like i said i think the convenience
> outweighs
> > the gas debate any day.
> > if you are talking about setting up a production line inside a
> shop as a
> > permanent install. the electric operation will always be less energy
> > consumed.
> >
> > if we would be debating the emissions it would be a whole other
> debate.
> > the 3730 watt needed to operate the electric motor have 78% heat
> loss at
> > the power plant to add to them. this means it was 16954 watt (raw
> fuel)
> > needed to produce those 3730 watt electrical.
> > the watt ratio of electrical power (final fuel) to gasoline (raw
> fuel) =
> > 1:2
> > since gasoline otto type engines are 35% efficient at best.
> >
> >
> > 16954 watt (raw fuel) to produce 3730 watt electrical = 3.5hour
> run time
> > 5hp (el) motor= 59339 watt (raw fuel) to operate 3.5 hours (power
> plant 22%
> > efficient with 78% heat losses)
> >
> > so unless you are operating on a wind mill or a wood gasifier to
> produce
> > your electrical power to run your mixers. It is producing more
> emissions
> > utilizing electrical grid power (coal fired power plants 22% vs
> 78% waste)
> > than using a regular gasoline engine 35% efficient.
> >
> > I know i went to far with this simple question just thought it
> might be
> > interesting to somebody lol.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Please check out my website, it shows one alternative for us to
> learn how
> > to built your own power supply.
> > It is a self cycling biomass
> > gasification process
> > utilizing a combined
> > heat and power (CHP)
> > approach with grass
> > clippings and
> > woodgas to
> > power your home.
> >
> > www.OneAlternative.US
> >
>
>
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Re: [papercreters] Re: Tow Mixer Gas Milage Competition
I totally agree that a Kill-A-Watt device is a great investment. I plugged my fridge into mine and it was using an X amount to run it for a week. I do not remember the numbers but after cleaning off the coils which did not look bad at all I reset the Kill-A-Watt and let it run exactly the same amount of time. It used X minus 30%. It is very important to blow off or vacuum the coils at least once per year. I also checked my 1940s deep freezer. I have never cleaned the coils and still it does a great job and uses less electricity than the very best energy star unit you can buy now. A guy in another group that I belong to bought one and posted his results. Then I did mine. My freezer is twice the size and it used half the electricity. Shop around for a good price. Alan in Michigan --- On Sun, 1/6/13, JayH <slurryguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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