Wednesday, December 5, 2012

Re: [papercreters] Jay: Re: flour



I watched a documentary about the dust bowl a while back and one of the houses in it had the windows sealed with a similar substance used in conjunction with newspaper &/or strips of cloth. I don't recall just how it was made but a lot of it was still pretty much intact which is why I remember it. All the ingredients were typical of what you would find in any house of the time and place.  Not bad after about 75 years!!





 Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 2:45 PM, ken winston caine <ken.winston.caine@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Had forgotten that using boiling water makes a stronger glue from flour and water. Was just remembering how we used to make paste in elementary school from flour and water.

RE: Insects. Was expecting and hoping -- and it seems to be the case so far -- that the added borax would discourage pests. Haven't seen any signs of insects -- or rodents for that matter -- trying the the unsatisfactory test papercrete squares I made with this.

Do recall now, as I write this, that we were advised in school to add salt to the mix to keep pasted items from molding. Wonder if that really works?

Was hoping the flour paste would help bind together my clay and papercrete mix. Still think the problem I had with that mix was that I used too much clay.

Aside: Since just pulped paper alone (and with borax added) makes such satisfactory and lightweight blocks, think I will experiment -- when I get back to this -- with how much borax must added to a 5 gallon mix to end up with papercrete that will not burn and will not smoulder until it reduces the block to ash. When I get around to that, I'll report my results here.




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Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Re: [papercreters] Re: Glossy magazines in Papercrete?



You are a rewal hoot to read sometimes.
Bring on the Monty Python. 8>)))
Alan

--- On Tue, 12/4/12, JayH <slurryguy@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: JayH <slurryguy@yahoo.com>
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Glossy magazines in Papercrete?
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 4, 2012, 4:01 PM

Glad I could find a way to annoy you.  (kidding)

I used the highly scientific approach of doing a YouTube search for "Table Saw Sled" and that video was the first one that showed up on the results.

I'm particularly impressed with Matthias Wandel's work.  Perhaps I should have linked to his YouTube video about a sled, but his sled doesn't have those safety bars going across the top of the sled.  The papercreters safety inquisition enforcers would have jumped all over my post as if I was promoting nuclear armageddon if I had linked to something without safety guards.  Since I didn't want to promote the end of all life as we know it, I wimped out and posted the first result YouTube came back with. 

Sigh... I guess there is no way to please everyone.

:(

(Safety Inquisition????!!!!!!!!   Should I post a YouTube of asketc Monty Python h?)


--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Alan <rustaholic777@...> wrote:
>
> 25 years building houses and my very own wood shop and just now putting together my machine shop that guy on the video really bugs me but he is great for beginners.
> I have already built many sleds and jigs that would work great to rip the spines off the magazines.
> Alan in michigan
>
> --- On Mon, 12/3/12, JayH <slurryguy@...> wrote:
>
>
> Building your own sled is a simple task.  There are numerous designs that are all basically the same concept.  Many youtube videos exist on the topic.  Here is one.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69t6MFCUobw
>




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[papercreters] Re: Glossy magazines in Papercrete?

Glad I could find a way to annoy you. (kidding)

I used the highly scientific approach of doing a YouTube search for "Table Saw Sled" and that video was the first one that showed up on the results.

I'm particularly impressed with Matthias Wandel's work. Perhaps I should have linked to his YouTube video about a sled, but his sled doesn't have those safety bars going across the top of the sled. The papercreters safety inquisition enforcers would have jumped all over my post as if I was promoting nuclear armageddon if I had linked to something without safety guards. Since I didn't want to promote the end of all life as we know it, I wimped out and posted the first result YouTube came back with.

Sigh... I guess there is no way to please everyone.

:(

(Safety Inquisition????!!!!!!!! Should I post a YouTube of a Monty Python sketch?)


--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Alan <rustaholic777@...> wrote:
>
> 25 years building houses and my very own wood shop and just now putting together my machine shop that guy on the video really bugs me but he is great for beginners.
> I have already built many sleds and jigs that would work great to rip the spines off the magazines.
> Alan in michigan
>
> --- On Mon, 12/3/12, JayH <slurryguy@...> wrote:
>
>
> Building your own sled is a simple task.  There are numerous designs that are all basically the same concept.  Many youtube videos exist on the topic.  Here is one.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69t6MFCUobw
>




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[papercreters] Jay: Re: flour

Had forgotten that using boiling water makes a stronger glue from flour and water. Was just remembering how we used to make paste in elementary school from flour and water.

RE: Insects. Was expecting and hoping -- and it seems to be the case so far -- that the added borax would discourage pests. Haven't seen any signs of insects -- or rodents for that matter -- trying the the unsatisfactory test papercrete squares I made with this.

Do recall now, as I write this, that we were advised in school to add salt to the mix to keep pasted items from molding. Wonder if that really works?

Was hoping the flour paste would help bind together my clay and papercrete mix. Still think the problem I had with that mix was that I used too much clay.


Aside: Since just pulped paper alone (and with borax added) makes such satisfactory and lightweight blocks, think I will experiment -- when I get back to this -- with how much borax must added to a 5 gallon mix to end up with papercrete that will not burn and will not smoulder until it reduces the block to ash. When I get around to that, I'll report my results here.



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Monday, December 3, 2012

Re: [papercreters] Re: Glossy magazines in Papercrete?



25 years building houses and my very own wood shop and just now putting together my machine shop that guy on the video really bugs me but he is great for beginners.
I have already built many sleds and jigs that would work great to rip the spines off the magazines.
Alan in michigan

--- On Mon, 12/3/12, JayH <slurryguy@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: JayH <slurryguy@yahoo.com>
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Glossy magazines in Papercrete?
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 3, 2012, 11:24 AM

The best method I have found to cut of the spines of magazines, catalogs, or old books is to use a table saw with a table saw sled.

A table saw sled makes cutting the spines off quick, easy, and safe to do.

Building your own sled is a simple task.  There are numerous designs that are all basically the same concept.  Many youtube videos exist on the topic.  Here is one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69t6MFCUobw

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@...> wrote:
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> The glossy magazines do not work as well but it's OK to add a few to a mix made with newspaper or cardboard. You have to tear them apart. The spine does not mulch so either don't put it in or fish it out of the slurry. I don't have an answer on the blades but from my experience it's not the sharpness of the blade that matters. It just sort of tears the paper up. You want to keep the cellulose fibers as long as possible. But in my opinion there is a lot of room for deviation and experimentation with papercrete.
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[papercreters] Re: Reciprocal roof

Actually... that table I gave you does have Southern Yellow Pine on it.

There are several different tree species that are considered Southern Yellow Pine. The table gets specific about each individual species.

Here is another document that discusses the issue.
http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fpltn/fpltn-214-1936.pdf

You probably can contact your wood supplier to find out exactly what species they have available.

Hope this helps.

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> Greetings,
> Unfortunately, the link does not have southern yellow pine on it. But,
> I did find a reference that said it was one of the strongest woods, if
> not the strongest to use for beams and supports. Which sounds good to me.
>
> I am in the hot humid south. Yes, vapor barriers go on the outside.
> And yes, the tar paper has been dropped. We have dropped the deck as
> well, the papercrete will sit on chicken wire, then be covered with
> petrified hessian. The inside will be stuccoed with papercrete, then
> painted with a natural breathable paint, like the walls. This way, and
> water that gets in there, can come out. Mold and mildew are huge
> problems in this area. I did not want to have to do stuccoing, but the
> cost of the deck is a strong incentive to do away with it.
>
> We hope to put the poles up on the roof on January 19th, if anyone would
> like to join us. Camping available, no children and pets please.
>
> Bright Blessings,
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> www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
> Bedias, Texas
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> On 12/3/2012 9:35 AM, JayH wrote:
>><snip>
> > Here is a pretty good read concerning the strength of various wood species:
> > http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplgtr/fplgtr190/chapter_05.pdf




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Re: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete in the cold North?



Funny - that's what I think I wrote.
In any case, it still seems like an expensive mix with portland at $8 a bag (or so).
How may cubic feet will the 92/125 make?
TASHA

On 12/3/2012 05:19A, Alan wrote:

Tasha, I believe you have your thinker in reverse.
A 1:2 ratio for portland to paper means one part Portland to two parts paper.
That would be a lot cheaper to do than my one to one mix.
The most I would do is 92 pounds of Portland to around 125 pounds of paper.
 
Alan in Michigan

--- On Mon, 12/3/12, Tasha <tashatesla@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Tasha <tashatesla@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete in the cold North?
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 3, 2012, 1:26 AM



A 1:2 ratio for portland to paper?
Wouldn't that make for some expensive papercrete?
TASHA

On 12/2/2012 10:14P, Ron wrote:
Hi Alan,  You probably have a bit more moist environment than that in Montana, but I did just that.  In 2008 I started a shed 8'X16' to house a three wheeler and trailer.  I was only able to work on it summers and so it sat through the winter.  I did cover it for some of the time but nothing fancy, a blue tarp that never made it through the winter.     My mix was not what you mentioned, rather it was 1:2 portland to paper.  I was adding sand at the beginning but soon was using just paper and portland.  I never got it done because of other pressing matters.  In December 2011 I had to remove it from where it was because I had put it right in the path where an 18 wheeler needed to go around one of my buildings.  So it sat in the elements for 4 years and was perfectly fine when I tore it apart.  I saved all that I had done because I am planning a "real" building which will have 12" thick walls.  I'll be able to bury all the pieces I salvaged from my initial attempt in the walls of the new structure because the shed only had 8" walls.    Personally, I don't think you'll be wasting your time.  Ron           --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Alan <rustaholic777@...> wrote:  
Next question     Is there anyone here that has done a straight equal amount of paper and Portland in water and built anything to set outside here in the cold sometimes very wet North?     I would love to know that if I build the tow mixer and put up a papercrete shed it will last a good while.  It would be a real waste to make the tow mixer just to do some samples that fail.  If none of you can assure me it will work I do suppose I could do a five gallon bucket test and make a block to set outside for a year or so.   I have one of those drill powered "paint" stirrers to mix up Quick Crete in five gallon buckets if only I can find it now.     Alan in Northern Lower Michigan         
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