Friday, October 5, 2012

Re: [papercreters] New scissors barrel mixer



The bolts go through the shaft. I agree that the bolt should probably be hard, but I didn't have any in stock, and these will be trivial to replace if/when they break so I won't worry about it until I get to test. Haven't had a chance to get back to this, maybe today or tomorrow if things go well.


On 10/2/2012 9:52 PM, clarke2 wrote:
I'm thinking the bolt keying to the shaft might be the weak point unless the   shaft has a deep well for the bolt to register in.    T  And the bolt should be hardned.    Just my 2 bits.    Dan  ----- Original Message -----   From: "spaceman" <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net>  To: <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>  Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:00 AM  Subject: Re: [papercreters] New scissors barrel mixer      
  Well the photo doesn't show a lot of detail, but I can assure you that I   welded those nuts to the angle so they won't come off unless the angle is   ripped apart. The welds aren't pretty but they are strong. A sledge hammer   weld check confirms this. This is 2x2 angle as you guessed. The blades are   16" long which I suspect may be a bit much but I made it so I can take it   apart and modify as needed. I tried to get it finished yesterday, got the   motor mounted, but still need a couple of hours tying up loose ends. No   time today, maybe tomorrow.        On 10/2/2012 8:45 AM, Ron Richter wrote:     Spaceman,   I see where you bolted the nuts to the drive bar, but with paper in there   and water it looks like you'll need a bit more weld to hold the nut to the   angle iron.  If the attach point were a bit more toward the center of the   angle iron it may hold, but you may need to add a flat plate on the other   side of the angle iron and another nut with bolt through the drive bar to   hold it.     I may be wrong, but the torque on that nut at the side of the angle iron   may be too much and it will shear the nut from the angle.  Don't have   dimensions, so if the driven angle is only 8" long or so, and the angle is   2" X 2" or less it may be fine.     Can't wait to hear how it works.     Ron              ------------------------------------------------------------------------------             This is the beast in the barrel. It is long enough that the three legs   will not spin. It is not bolted to the barrel. The shaft goes through   metal brackets that are on the outside. These brackets hold the shaft   bushings and will support the motor. The blades are keyed to the shaft   with bolts so that they can be removed if I ever need to work on the   mixer. The alternative would have been to weld them in place, making it   really hard to repair.     If things go right I'll have this running tomorrow. I'll take more photos   in the daylight after I get the motor running, and post a report on how it   makes pulp.     The original description said McCain's would mix a barrel full in two   minutes flat!!! If this one is even close to that, I think I'll make short   work of the triangles for the underground dome.     spaceman                      No virus found in this message.  Checked by AVG - www.avg.com  Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5303 - Release Date: 10/01/12    
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Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Re: [papercreters] New scissors barrel mixer

I'm thinking the bolt keying to the shaft might be the weak point unless the
shaft has a deep well for the bolt to register in.

T
And the bolt should be hardned.

Just my 2 bits.

Dan
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From: "spaceman" <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net>
To: <papercreters@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [papercreters] New scissors barrel mixer


>
> Well the photo doesn't show a lot of detail, but I can assure you that I
> welded those nuts to the angle so they won't come off unless the angle is
> ripped apart. The welds aren't pretty but they are strong. A sledge hammer
> weld check confirms this. This is 2x2 angle as you guessed. The blades are
> 16" long which I suspect may be a bit much but I made it so I can take it
> apart and modify as needed. I tried to get it finished yesterday, got the
> motor mounted, but still need a couple of hours tying up loose ends. No
> time today, maybe tomorrow.
>
>
>
> On 10/2/2012 8:45 AM, Ron Richter wrote:
>
> Spaceman,
> I see where you bolted the nuts to the drive bar, but with paper in there
> and water it looks like you'll need a bit more weld to hold the nut to the
> angle iron. If the attach point were a bit more toward the center of the
> angle iron it may hold, but you may need to add a flat plate on the other
> side of the angle iron and another nut with bolt through the drive bar to
> hold it.
>
> I may be wrong, but the torque on that nut at the side of the angle iron
> may be too much and it will shear the nut from the angle. Don't have
> dimensions, so if the driven angle is only 8" long or so, and the angle is
> 2" X 2" or less it may be fine.
>
> Can't wait to hear how it works.Â
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> This is the beast in the barrel. It is long enough that the three legs
> will not spin. It is not bolted to the barrel. The shaft goes through
> metal brackets that are on the outside. These brackets hold the shaft
> bushings and will support the motor. The blades are keyed to the shaft
> with bolts so that they can be removed if I ever need to work on the
> mixer. The alternative would have been to weld them in place, making it
> really hard to repair.
>
> If things go right I'll have this running tomorrow. I'll take more photos
> in the daylight after I get the motor running, and post a report on how it
> makes pulp.
>
> The original description said McCain's would mix a barrel full in two
> minutes flat!!! If this one is even close to that, I think I'll make short
> work of the triangles for the underground dome.
>
> spaceman
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5303 - Release Date: 10/01/12
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Re: [papercreters] New scissors barrel mixer



Well the photo doesn't show a lot of detail, but I can assure you that I welded those nuts to the angle so they won't come off unless the angle is ripped apart. The welds aren't pretty but they are strong. A sledge hammer weld check confirms this. This is 2x2 angle as you guessed. The blades are 16" long which I suspect may be a bit much but I made it so I can take it apart and modify as needed. I tried to get it finished yesterday, got the motor mounted, but still need a couple of hours tying up loose ends. No time today, maybe tomorrow.

On 10/2/2012 8:45 AM, Ron Richter wrote:
Spaceman,
I see where you bolted the nuts to the drive bar, but with paper in there and water it looks like you'll need a bit more weld to hold the nut to the angle iron.  If the attach point were a bit more toward the center of the angle iron it may hold, but you may need to add a flat plate on the other side of the angle iron and another nut with bolt through the drive bar to hold it.

I may be wrong, but the torque on that nut at the side of the angle iron may be too much and it will shear the nut from the angle.  Don't have dimensions, so if the driven angle is only 8" long or so, and the angle is 2" X 2" or less it may be fine.

Can't wait to hear how it works. 

Ron







This is the beast in the barrel. It is long enough that the three legs will not spin. It is not bolted to the barrel. The shaft goes through metal brackets that are on the outside. These brackets hold the shaft bushings and will support the motor. The blades are keyed to the shaft with bolts so that they can be removed if I ever need to work on the mixer. The alternative would have been to weld them in place, making it really hard to repair.

If things go right I'll have this running tomorrow. I'll take more photos in the daylight after I get the motor running, and post a report on how it makes pulp.

The original description said McCain's would mix a barrel full in two minutes flat!!! If this one is even close to that, I think I'll make short work of the triangles for the underground dome.

spaceman







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Re: [papercreters] New scissors barrel mixer

Spaceman,
I see where you bolted the nuts to the drive bar, but with paper in there and water it looks like you'll need a bit more weld to hold the nut to the angle iron.  If the attach point were a bit more toward the center of the angle iron it may hold, but you may need to add a flat plate on the other side of the angle iron and another nut with bolt through the drive bar to hold it.

I may be wrong, but the torque on that nut at the side of the angle iron may be too much and it will shear the nut from the angle.  Don't have dimensions, so if the driven angle is only 8" long or so, and the angle is 2" X 2" or less it may be fine.

Can't wait to hear how it works. 

Ron







This is the beast in the barrel. It is long enough that the three legs will not spin. It is not bolted to the barrel. The shaft goes through metal brackets that are on the outside. These brackets hold the shaft bushings and will support the motor. The blades are keyed to the shaft with bolts so that they can be removed if I ever need to work on the mixer. The alternative would have been to weld them in place, making it really hard to repair.

If things go right I'll have this running tomorrow. I'll take more photos in the daylight after I get the motor running, and post a report on how it makes pulp.

The original description said McCain's would mix a barrel full in two minutes flat!!! If this one is even close to that, I think I'll make short work of the triangles for the underground dome.

spaceman




Re: [papercreters] Re: New scissors barrel mixer



I can't imagine why anyone would want to get the digest in such a low volume group. You miss the good stuff that way : )

I don't put my photos in yahoo's possession, but I will no doubt update my blog "real soon now" and put copies there. Just quit work, it's 2 am and I'm about to go to bed. Gotta get up in a few hours and work on this mixer. I want to have all the triangles drying in the next couple of weeks if I can, let the mostly dry before the first frost.


On 10/1/2012 8:17 PM, liberty1_27606 wrote:
Spaceman,    I get messages in groups and that causes the pictures not to come through.  When you get this working, please post the pictures in the Photos file.  Thanks.    Bobby          ------------------------------------    Yahoo! Groups Links    <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/    <*> Your email settings:      Individual Email | Traditional    <*> To change settings online go to:      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/join      (Yahoo! ID required)    <*> To change settings via email:      papercreters-digest@yahoogroups.com       papercreters-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com    <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:      papercreters-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com    <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:      http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/        -----  No virus found in this message.  Checked by AVG - www.avg.com  Version: 2013.0.2677 / Virus Database: 2591/5293 - Release Date: 09/26/12      



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Monday, October 1, 2012

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Spaceman,

I get messages in groups and that causes the pictures not to come through. When you get this working, please post the pictures in the Photos file. Thanks.

Bobby




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[papercreters] New scissors barrel mixer



I have tried for a couple of years to get details about the "scissors barrel mixer" by John McCain, but the best I could find was a photo posted a while back that didn't show much, and a short description. Taking that, this morning I started cutting and drilling angle iron, and in the afternoon got out my welder. What I made isn't real pretty, but I think it might work. Tomorrow I need to find a large pulley and fabricate a motor mount. I already have a 1hp motor that I think will make this thing unstoppable.



The two outer "legs" are longer than the center one because it was easier to cut that piece once instead of twice and the remnant would have been to short to use anyway. I think it will help with the mixing action for them to be longer, anyway. I started out drilling holes for the shaft to go through, but that was not easy with this layout, and then I found these nice nuts that just fit the shaft I bought. I welded them on as shaft guides. The blades got nuts welded on in the center, with a hole though to put a bolt through the shaft, and lock them on the spinning shaft.



This is the beast in the barrel. It is long enough that the three legs will not spin. It is not bolted to the barrel. The shaft goes through metal brackets that are on the outside. These brackets hold the shaft bushings and will support the motor. The blades are keyed to the shaft with bolts so that they can be removed if I ever need to work on the mixer. The alternative would have been to weld them in place, making it really hard to repair.

If things go right I'll have this running tomorrow. I'll take more photos in the daylight after I get the motor running, and post a report on how it makes pulp.

The original description said McCain's would mix a barrel full in two minutes flat!!! If this one is even close to that, I think I'll make short work of the triangles for the underground dome.

spaceman




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