Re: [papercreters] Re: Paper Issue

Greetings,
In the archives somewhere is my information on using feed bags. We soak
ours for about 12 hours before mixing. Then, they work perfect. It is
tough paper, but it makes really good papercrete.

Bright Blessings,
Garth & Kim Travis
www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
Bedias, Texas

On 1/8/2012 5:16 PM, Rusty S wrote:
> No Plastic. I have been through every layer and inch of these things.
> They are made to carry weight and be thrown around. So I figure they are
> just made alittle denser.
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> I am going to the news paper office and the recycle center in the
> morning to investigate a new source. And try to figure out what to do
> with the 2 tons of paper sacks I have on site.
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> Rusty
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> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:papercreters%40yahoogroups.com>, JUDITH WILLIAMS
> <williams_judith@...> wrote:
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> > It may be that your feed sacks have plastic in them. If that is the
> case then i would say find another source of paper. If it is because
> they are too thick maybe you should let them soak longer. I've found
> that paper absorbs water better after it has gone through a few rain
> showers. It gets wet and dries and really soaks up the water.
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> > Follow progress on the new project at
> http://www.papercretebyjudith.com/blog
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> > More papercrete info at http://squidoo.com/papercretebyjudith
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> > To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com <mailto:papercreters%40yahoogroups.com>
> > From: slaytonfarms@...
> > Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:42:35 +0000
> > Subject: [papercreters] Paper Issue
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> > I have finally got my mixer working great. But The horde of paper
> that I have gathered is giving me fits. I have been collecting paper
> feed sacks. Yesterday, after 6 hours of work I was only able to pour
> three full mixer loads. This is because the feed sacks clump into balls
> that will not break down until I reach in and tear them apart by hand (2
> hours). The second load, I tore the sacks inhalf (one at a time). This
> helped alittle as the load took almost two hours to break it down, clump
> at a time. The last load, I seperated the sacks (again one at a time).
> This means tearing it in half them seperating the three layers of paper.
> That took forever, then I let it soak for an hour. Then mixed it again,
> then added portland and aggregate. This load did break down alot better,
> but I had clumbs that would not pass through the (6in) spout.
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> > Have I wasted time and energy with these feed sacks? Should I try to
> find another source of paper. Newspapers work fantastic in my mixer as
> does cardboard if I let it soak. I was simply able to have a mass of
> feed sacks delivered to my site and was sure they would work.
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> > Advice is welcome. I can't spend all day and only pour 3 loads. My
> help and patience will not allow it.
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[papercreters] Re: Paper Issue

No Plastic. I have been through every layer and inch of these things. They are made to carry weight and be thrown around. So I figure they are just made alittle denser.

I am going to the news paper office and the recycle center in the morning to investigate a new source. And try to figure out what to do with the 2 tons of paper sacks I have on site.

Rusty

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@...> wrote:
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> It may be that your feed sacks have plastic in them. If that is the case then i would say find another source of paper. If it is because they are too thick maybe you should let them soak longer. I've found that paper absorbs water better after it has gone through a few rain showers. It gets wet and dries and really soaks up the water.
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> Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercretebyjudith.com/blog
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> More papercrete info at http://squidoo.com/papercretebyjudith
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> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> From: slaytonfarms@...
> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:42:35 +0000
> Subject: [papercreters] Paper Issue
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> I have finally got my mixer working great. But The horde of paper that I have gathered is giving me fits. I have been collecting paper feed sacks. Yesterday, after 6 hours of work I was only able to pour three full mixer loads. This is because the feed sacks clump into balls that will not break down until I reach in and tear them apart by hand (2 hours). The second load, I tore the sacks inhalf (one at a time). This helped alittle as the load took almost two hours to break it down, clump at a time. The last load, I seperated the sacks (again one at a time). This means tearing it in half them seperating the three layers of paper. That took forever, then I let it soak for an hour. Then mixed it again, then added portland and aggregate. This load did break down alot better, but I had clumbs that would not pass through the (6in) spout.
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> Have I wasted time and energy with these feed sacks? Should I try to find another source of paper. Newspapers work fantastic in my mixer as does cardboard if I let it soak. I was simply able to have a mass of feed sacks delivered to my site and was sure they would work.
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> Advice is welcome. I can't spend all day and only pour 3 loads. My help and patience will not allow it.
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> Rusty
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It may be that your feed sacks have plastic in them. If that is the case then i would say find another source of paper. If it is because they are too thick maybe you should let them soak longer. I've found that paper absorbs water better after it has gone through a few rain showers. It gets wet and dries and really soaks up the water.



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From: slaytonfarms@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:42:35 +0000
Subject: [papercreters] Paper Issue

 

I have finally got my mixer working great. But The horde of paper that I have gathered is giving me fits. I have been collecting paper feed sacks. Yesterday, after 6 hours of work I was only able to pour three full mixer loads. This is because the feed sacks clump into balls that will not break down until I reach in and tear them apart by hand (2 hours). The second load, I tore the sacks inhalf (one at a time). This helped alittle as the load took almost two hours to break it down, clump at a time. The last load, I seperated the sacks (again one at a time). This means tearing it in half them seperating the three layers of paper. That took forever, then I let it soak for an hour. Then mixed it again, then added portland and aggregate. This load did break down alot better, but I had clumbs that would not pass through the (6in) spout.

Have I wasted time and energy with these feed sacks? Should I try to find another source of paper. Newspapers work fantastic in my mixer as does cardboard if I let it soak. I was simply able to have a mass of feed sacks delivered to my site and was sure they would work.

Advice is welcome. I can't spend all day and only pour 3 loads. My help and patience will not allow it.

Rusty

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[papercreters] Paper Issue

I have finally got my mixer working great. But The horde of paper that I have gathered is giving me fits. I have been collecting paper feed sacks. Yesterday, after 6 hours of work I was only able to pour three full mixer loads. This is because the feed sacks clump into balls that will not break down until I reach in and tear them apart by hand (2 hours). The second load, I tore the sacks inhalf (one at a time). This helped alittle as the load took almost two hours to break it down, clump at a time. The last load, I seperated the sacks (again one at a time). This means tearing it in half them seperating the three layers of paper. That took forever, then I let it soak for an hour. Then mixed it again, then added portland and aggregate. This load did break down alot better, but I had clumbs that would not pass through the (6in) spout.

Have I wasted time and energy with these feed sacks? Should I try to find another source of paper. Newspapers work fantastic in my mixer as does cardboard if I let it soak. I was simply able to have a mass of feed sacks delivered to my site and was sure they would work.

Advice is welcome. I can't spend all day and only pour 3 loads. My help and patience will not allow it.

Rusty

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Re: [papercreters] Hi, I just want to ask if I understand it right

The weight of your final product will be the weight of the paper plus the weight of additives like portland cement, borax, sand, etc. A bit of the water stays after hydrating the cement and as moisture content in the pc.

When you mix with a lot of water the excess water just runs out of your forms, leaving about the same density as pc mixed with less water. For ease of mixing and pumping I normally mix with quite a bit of water. The paper pulps better/easier with more water. When I can, I try to capture the runoff for reuse, but in many cases that just isn't practical. Luckily most of the cement and additives are filtered by the fibers and stay behind when the water drains. The amount of water is not critical since most of it leaves rapidly, the ratio of paper/cement/additives is what determines your density.

You can compress after mixing. As Judith said, you can add more cement, sand, gravel. Strength is not normally a problem since pc is ALWAYS used under compression, never under tension. In general pc is used in thick walls, and this gives plenty of compressive strength, especially when the weight is spread with a bond beam. Tests have shown "normal" pc to have in the range of 400psi compression strength, depending on the exact mix used.

If you haven't yet mixed any pulp, try a small batch in a cheap blender. Dump it into a form with openings in the bottom and let it drain. Do another and compress it. Experiment a little with cement and sand.

spaceman

On 1/5/2012 1:31 PM, Ales Patera wrote:

Hi  I just want to ask if I understand it right how to make desired mount of papercrete with density I want   For example if I want 1 m3 (35 cu ft) of pc with density 650 kg/m3 (40.5 lb/ft3)  I'll take 1m3 of water and put into it 650kg of ingredients - dry weight (like 470kg of paper, 120kg of cement and 60kg lime) And if I want pc with density for example 350 kg/m3 I just put less ingredients into same amount of water, maybe with little recipe adjustment.   Is my idea of it right? So the density of a final product is controlled by density of paper slurry I'll make and then add other ingredients by weight ratio of dry paper.    ------------------------------------  Yahoo! Groups Links  <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/  <*> Your email settings:     Individual Email | Traditional  <*> To change settings online go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/join     (Yahoo! ID required)  <*> To change settings via email:     papercreters-digest@yahoogroups.com      papercreters-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com  <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:     papercreters-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com  <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:     http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/    ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4728 - Release Date: 01/07/12   

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RE: [papercreters] Hi, I just want to ask if I understand it right

Yikes! That's a lot of numbers. I'm not sure what you are asking but I would say that the density of the final product depends on how much cement is added. When I started making papercrete there were some who used up to 7 bags of cement per 200 gallon batch. Man were those blocks ever heavy. I got it down to 1/2 bag per load for infill walls and 1 bag when I wanted more density.



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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:31:04 +0000
Subject: [papercreters] Hi, I just want to ask if I understand it right

 

Hi
I just want to ask if I understand it right how to make desired mount of papercrete with density I want

For example if I want 1 m3 (35 cu ft) of pc with density 650 kg/m3 (40.5 lb/ft3)
I'll take 1m3 of water and put into it 650kg of ingredients - dry weight (like 470kg of paper, 120kg of cement and 60kg lime)
And if I want pc with density for example 350 kg/m3 I just put less ingredients into same amount of water, maybe with little recipe adjustment.

Is my idea of it right?
So the density of a final product is controlled by density of paper slurry I'll make and then add other ingredients by weight ratio of dry paper.

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[papercreters] Hi, I just want to ask if I understand it right

Hi
I just want to ask if I understand it right how to make desired mount of papercrete with density I want

For example if I want 1 m3 (35 cu ft) of pc with density 650 kg/m3 (40.5 lb/ft3)
I'll take 1m3 of water and put into it 650kg of ingredients - dry weight (like 470kg of paper, 120kg of cement and 60kg lime)
And if I want pc with density for example 350 kg/m3 I just put less ingredients into same amount of water, maybe with little recipe adjustment.

Is my idea of it right?
So the density of a final product is controlled by density of paper slurry I'll make and then add other ingredients by weight ratio of dry paper.

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